So this dude in a SRT4 Neon approached me...

[muladesigns]

Im trying the link that you posted to send an open pic but its not working. can you give more detail? sorry new at this.

[v1sion]

i cant believe there's 14 pages of jibber jabber
stangs sucks srt sucks wrx sucks blah blah blah

[young_stunna]

meh i doubt u were that smoothe when u were talking to him

[TCo4482]

mazda6 are that fast O_O never knew

There is a 4 cylinder Mazda 6i, a 6 cylinder Mazda6s, and a 2.3L Turbo 4 cylinder Mazdaspeed6. The base is slow, the 3.0 V6 is adequate, and the Turbo is quick (for a stock 4 door car) Low 5s to 60, high 13s-low14s in the 1/4.

[muladesigns]

There is a 4 cylinder Mazda 6i, a 6 cylinder Mazda6s, and a 2.3L Turbo 4 cylinder Mazdaspeed6. The base is slow, the 3.0 V6 is adequate, and the Turbo is quick (for a stock 4 door car) Low 5s to 60, high 13s-low14s in the 1/4.

mazdaspeed 5 door (i beleive its only available as a 5 door) is the quickest stock sport compact on the market rite now. its doing 1/4 times same as or better then v8's

[TCo4482]

mazdaspeed 5 door (i beleive its only available as a 5 door) is the quickest stock sport compact on the market rite now. its doing 1/4 times same as or better then v8's

Yep, but it's not a Mazdaspeed6. It is a Mazdaspeed3, and is only available in wagon form. It's FWD, and it is very quick, however being FWD all of the power is not available in 1st or 2nd gears. If they would put the AWD system from the Mazdaspeed6 on it, it would be very quick.

[turbolag87]

Yep, but it's not a Mazdaspeed6. It is a Mazdaspeed3, and is only available in wagon form. It's FWD, and it is very quick, however being FWD all of the power is not available in 1st or 2nd gears. If they would put the AWD system from the Mazdaspeed6 on it, it would be very quick.

ive yet to see a mazdaspeed6 run 13s stock... heck the 3s are way lighter and have a very hard time even hitting high 13s

[card00d85]

Awards

* Car and Driver magazine's 2004 John Lingenfelter Memorial Trophy
* Won a Top Ten Car award from Sport Compact Car magazine (SCC) in 2003, 2004, and 2005 - all three years the SRT-4 was produced.
* Named the 2003 Car of the Year by SCC. [1]
* Won numerous comparisons in several U.S. automotive magazines from 2003 to 2005, including:
o 1st place - [4], Car and Driver magazine, November 2005. The SRT-4 competed against 14 other performance vehicles, finishing 1st in the front wheel drive division.
o 1st place - [5], Serial Thrillers comparison test, Car and Driver magazine, May 2004.
o 1st place - [6], Automobile magazine, March 2004.
o 1st place - [7], Sport Sedans Comparison, Edmunds, August 2003
o 1st place - [8], Sport Compact Car Shootout, January 2003.



SRT-4 > Mustang


I would take an srt-4 over a mustang anyday. Not to mention I see 100000000 mustangs on my short trip to work everyday.


That "it's just a neon" argument is the so damn stupid. Just because you can't find anything else wrong with the car, you have to resort to saying, "it's just a neon." Considering the engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, etc. is all different from a base neon, it's pretty stupid when you say it's just a neon. Sure, it was based after the neon, but it shares basically nothing with it (at least the stuff that matters).

[newedgepnoy]

Why would you get pissed about it being a neon? Saying it's not a neon is the dumbest thing. It's like a cobra owner saying, "It's not a mustang, it's a cobra." The engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, etc. of a cobra may be different from a v6 stang, but it's still a mustang. Just like engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, etc. of a srt-4 is different from a base neon, but it's still a neon.

[card00d85]

Why would you get pissed about it being a neon? Saying it's not a neon is the dumbest thing. It's like a cobra owner saying, "It's not a mustang, it's a cobra." The engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, etc. of a cobra may be different from a v6 stang, but it's still a mustang. Just like engine, tranny, brakes, suspension, etc. of a srt-4 is different from a base neon, but it's still a neon.

I know it's a neon, but people use the "it's just a neon" excuse all the time. You don't hear people going around and saying to cobra owners, "it's just a mustang." Never happens.

Earlier neons were known to be unreliable, that's why people say "it's just a neon" when referring to the srt-4. However, the srt-4 has a completely different drivetrain that is basically bulletproof, so when people say "it's just a neon" referring to an unreliable POS, their argument is invalid.

Yes, it's a neon, but it's not the unreliable POS neon that people always refer to when saying, "it's just a neon."

Hell, the NEON srt-4 has won more awards in it's 3 year lifetime than the mustang has. And the mustang has been out for more than 40 years. Pathetic.


EDIT: Of course I'm not trying to say that an srt-4 is better than a mustang (although I believe it is) solely because of awards, but I'm just throwing that out there. People seem to get pissed when a 4 banger that costs less than their car can actually keep up or beat them in a race, and v8 owners are the worst. OMG NO ONE CAN BEAT THE ALMIGHTY V8 POWER!!

[Sqwivivol]

^

might not just be the reliability its probably more that while ppl think theyr cool with their SRT4, "its just a neon"; embarassing little american car

[usamarshal]

God, shall I even say MOPAR to describe the Neon? I think I feel sick now.

[basement iron]

EDIT: Of course I'm not trying to say that an srt-4 is better than a mustang (although I believe it is) solely because of awards, but I'm just throwing that out there. People seem to get pissed when a 4 banger that costs less than their car can actually keep up or beat them in a race, and v8 owners are the worst. OMG NO ONE CAN BEAT THE ALMIGHTY V8 POWER!!

Having played with many different cars, 4/6/8's , and having been around many different brand loyal car guys I can tell you that your average v8 owner is no where near the worst.

That belongs to ricers and Euro's.

I'd take any mustang over a skittle any day. Fox body, LX, GT, SN95, S197, Cobra whatever.

SRT-4s wont be around in 5 years. Production has ceased and everyone I see is far from stock owned by some teen beating the **** out of it.

And Dodge is the only car company that would never, ever, get my hard earned money.

Oh and 4 cyl SVO mustangs have been running 8's and 9's, full weight and street driven for years now. All with right wheel drive and without needing rolls. Better on a autoX than a fwd too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BH8rBJXz6d0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBNCT...eature=related

Ironically once SRT-4's have come and gone people will still be playing with 25 plus year old 2.3 turbo mustangs.

[jakethesLAsnake]

Damn, I hope your screen name isn't referring to WRX, because if it is, the ignorance in your post is mind numbing. For a WRX owner to talk about 'young kinds who think that because (spelled right) they have turbo are now the hottest thing on the block'... seriously? And WRX owners don't do this? HAHA oh my, you know nothing.

Also, a blow off valve vents unused boost into the atmosphere, it does not hurt the car, I have to guess now that you don't drive a WRX, you must be one of those haters driving a base impreza, the gay man's car, wishing you had a WRX and hating SRT4's more than actual WRX drivers do because of it. "but they dont know that becuase their ricers" did you mean 'because they're' as in, a conjunction, THEY ARE, versus the possessive form of the word, 'their'? Idiot.

No legacy? Again, astounding ignorance...

Car and Driver magazine's 2004 John Lingenfelter Memorial Trophy
Won a Top Ten Car award from Sport Compact Car magazine (SCC) in 2003, 2004, and 2005 - all three years the SRT-4 was produced.
Named the 2003 Car of the Year by SCC. [1]
Won numerous comparisons in several U.S. automotive magazines from 2003 to 2005, including:
1st place - , Car and Driver magazine, November 2005. The SRT-4 competed against 14 other performance vehicles, finishing 1st in the front wheel drive division.
1st place - , Serial Thrillers comparison test, Car and Driver magazine, May 2004.
1st place - , Automobile magazine, March 2004.
1st place - , Sport Sedans Comparison, Edmunds, August 2003
1st place - , Sport Compact Car Shootout, January 2003.

Officially the fastest stock 4 cylinder car ever produced(221 mph average on a 2 way pass) http://www.off-road.com/trucks4x4/ar....jsp?id=365982

Legacy? What do you think ACR stands for, do you know what heritage or legacy are even about?

Does it piss you off that much that the WRX is slower than the SRT4?

what are you talking about?

a BOV can VERY EASILY make a difference in the A/F ratio if it is venting to atmosphere. All the air that blows out of the BOV has been metered by the MAF and if it doesn't go through the engine and burn the fuel, then the engine will be running very rich for the few seconds the BOV is operating.


the wrx_ra knows what hes talking about, hes the one on here who drives that 600awhp wrx with that sti motor.

[jakethesLAsnake]

lol i love this thread, subscribed

[jakethesLAsnake]

You pwned that douche haha. Probably has a 2.5rs or something

hes the one whos owns this noob, you wouldnt be able to hang with him:

02 wrx with version 8 sti engine and RA gears... gt35r on race gas at 28 psi

540awhp at 510 lb/s

Fastest time at irwindale:
1/4 Mile ET: 11.290
1/4 Mile MPH: 127.730
1/8 Mile ET: 7.379
1/8 Mile MPH: 97.600
0-60 Foot ET: 2.583 (thats on slicks )

Since im using RA gears ( close gear ratio) I have a good 1/8 mile but my 1/4 mile is horrible so im planning on getting a Gt42 port and polished this summer when I have enough money. The tranny is cyro treated to 700awhp so I plan to boost around 30 lbs max and see if I can get a lower 1/4 mile , I do not know how the 1/8 will be .



500hp+ WRX SUBARU, dyno www.centralfloridaturbo.com

[moonwalker1464]

what are you talking about?


the wrx_ra knows what hes talking about, hes the one on here who drives that 600awhp wrx with that sti motor.

He got pwned earlier out the anus hole for not knowing anything about the srt-4 and being ignorant. I think we'll all agree with that.

[wobz]

what are you talking about?

a BOV can VERY EASILY make a difference in the A/F ratio if it is venting to atmosphere. All the air that blows out of the BOV has been metered by the MAF and if it doesn't go through the engine and burn the fuel, then the engine will be running very rich for the few seconds the BOV is operating.


the wrx_ra knows what hes talking about, hes the one on here who drives that 600awhp wrx with that sti motor.

What are you talking about, the BOVs job is to discharge the excess pressure that slows the compressor wheel, minimizing the needed to respool after each shift. I'm not sure who does your tuning but there should be little if any fuel being injected at that point.

[neverlift702]

What are you talking about, the BOVs job is to discharge the excess pressure that slows the compressor wheel, minimizing the needed to respool after each shift. I'm not sure who does your tuning but there should be little if any fuel being injected at that point.

x2 but both statements have some truth to them.

Like I already said a BOV CAN actually do some harm if the car isn't tuned or set up properly for boost. When your car isn't tuned for boost and you
r running it anyway a bov will screw around with your maf and air flow big time. It won't actually harm anything but the engine will sputter and idle a bit rough and boost will spike and peak off. This is why many people opt to do a recirculating system that just cycles the air. On the other hand a car tuned for boost will have absolutely NO problem using a bov....like an srt4.....

I've built so many sr20 motors it will make your head spin I know about boost

[wobz]

x2 but both statements have some truth to them.

Like I already said a BOV CAN actually do some harm if the car isn't tuned or set up properly for boost. When your car isn't tuned for boost and you
r running it anyway a bov will screw around with your maf and air flow big time. It won't actually harm anything but the engine will sputter and idle a bit rough and boost will spike and peak off. This is why many people opt to do a recirculating system that just cycles the air. On the other hand a car tuned for boost will have absolutely NO problem using a bov....like an srt4.....

I've built so many sr20 motors it will make your head spin I know about boost

Ok I see what your saying. Coming from the automotive field, and having been involved in some of these projects, I guess I tend to forget how many dumbasses don't do there homework before installing mods. I'm usually surounded by others with more experience than your average person.

[mikeh6]

what are you talking about?

a BOV can VERY EASILY make a difference in the A/F ratio if it is venting to atmosphere. All the air that blows out of the BOV has been metered by the MAF and if it doesn't go through the engine and burn the fuel, then the engine will be running very rich for the few seconds the BOV is operating.


the wrx_ra knows what hes talking about, hes the one on here who drives that 600awhp wrx with that sti motor.

unlike the wrx that has a MAF before the BOV(all air accounted for and if it doesnt go into the engine will cause it to run lean) the SRT doesnt so the air isnt accounted for which is why you can have an open atmosphere and not recirculating.

[TCo4482]

ive yet to see a mazdaspeed6 run 13s stock... heck the 3s are way lighter and have a very hard time even hitting high 13s

There are plenty of time-slips to prove it. The 3's are lighter, but all of the power is not available in 1st gear (and I think 2nd gear also). Not to mention FWD is not the greatest off the line.

[MillerDecaXC]

hey man, I bet my SRT4 could rip your car a new ass. And it gets 30 mpg!

I just answered: You mean, your Neon right?

He answered: It's a SRT4 man, it's got a turbo and boost controler blah blah blah. I have like 10k in the engine and tranny alone, and your POS Rustang is fugly.

I answered: You realize you just spent 10k on a Neon?

He answered: Yeah! You got a ****ing problem? I bet it is way faster than your car and since gas prices are near 5bucks a gallon, i basically win in every aspect.

I answered: Ok, your car is faster lets say, and you get better MPG, you have dual exhaust, carbon fiber hood, wheels n' ****. But, in the end, you are still going home in a Neon. How does that make you feel?

He answered: Ok man, lets settle this like men, dragstrip, Friday, me and my SRT4. You'll lose pretty bad. And we can throw in money if you want.

I answered: Sure, if you want to, but aren't you even gonna ask me what I have in my car?

*(2007 GT full bolt on, drag radials, gears and 200 shot of nitrous and suspesion mods, dyno tuned)*

He answered: I don't need to, I know my SRT4 will murder you.

I answered: Ok, I'll look forward to your Neon murdering me.

He answered with a ****ty ricer flyby and his BOV hissed.


oh my,

if he really spent $10,000 on mods and did it properly, and is a decent driver, he will probably win.

but he is bragging about a neon, so chances are, $1000 went into a bodykit, $300 went into a cold air intake, $100 went into an air tornado fuel saver, $300 went into putting in some restricting ricer mufflers, and the rest went into stickers

[rabove]

First off, I'm a Neon owner (SRT-4).

Second, I feel for the OP. There are definite perks to owning a cheaper, turbo car. The cost is the most obvious, but fortunately for us owners, they really did well with the engineering and design of the engine.

UNfortunately, there is more than a fair share of douchebags in the community. It sounds like the SRT-4 owner you encountered falls into that category...and for that, I hope you blow his doors off and shut him up.

But...the real truth is, there's always someone faster out there, always someone with a more expensive car and ultimately, a larger budget. Does it really matter? I mean, do you enjoy your car? You make the payments, you put the money and time into modifications. Of course, there are people like wrx_RA who will hate regardless, and that's his opinion.

But seriously...on this 100% vent B.S. You do realize factory cars aren't created equal, right? This particular issue you are talking about was much more of a DSM issue, rather than an NSRT-4 issue. From the factory, DSMs had recirculation valves that didn't 'blow off'. The NSRT-4 has a purge valve that WILL purge excess pressure to the atmosphere.

The average NSRT-4 owner buys the BOV conversion kit, a.k.a. blueplate or 'riceplate'. It alters the path/flow of the purge air and is much more loud/noticeable. However, it's not without it's use: it is widely regarded as the best "BOV" setup for the stock turbo when running higher boost levels than stock (in terms of not leaking and holding the psi).

Going back to the DSMs, people would install BOVs and have major issues because their ECU/PCM was calibrated to account for the circulating air. The NSRT-4's do not do this, so I'm guessing you simply have the two confused. :shrug:

I see that you're banned now, so this post is moot I suppose, but I find it amusing how many 'haters' there are out there and for no good reason. I have a ton of friends who constantly track their NSRT-4's and beat out Corvettes, Porsches, Vipers, Ferraris, STis, Evos and so forth on a consistent basis...and, most have put MAYBE 5-10k into their cars.

Bottom line...I have respect for any car that is tastefully and properly modified and that is owned by someone who is a CAR enthusiast. Also, because I know the majority of you love the looks of a Neon, here's a picture of mine, haha:

[beto_man8]

if he really spent $10,000 on mods and did it properly, and is a decent driver, he will probably win.

but he is bragging about a neon, so chances are, $1000 went into a bodykit, $300 went into a cold air intake, $100 went into an air tornado fuel saver, $300 went into putting in some restricting ricer mufflers, and the rest went into stickers

he did have a carbon fiber hood, and some exhaust, not ricer sounding though, I did catch a look at the rear trunk, it had some badge that said, stage something mopar.

First off, I'm a Neon owner (SRT-4).

Second, I feel for the OP. There are definite perks to owning a cheaper, turbo car. The cost is the most obvious, but fortunately for us owners, they really did well with the engineering and design of the engine.

UNfortunately, there is more than a fair share of douchebags in the community. It sounds like the SRT-4 owner you encountered falls into that category...and for that, I hope you blow his doors off and shut him up.

But...the real truth is, there's always someone faster out there, always someone with a more expensive car and ultimately, a larger budget. Does it really matter? I mean, do you enjoy your car? You make the payments, you put the money and time into modifications. Of course, there are people like wrx_RA who will hate regardless, and that's his opinion.

But seriously...on this 100% vent B.S. You do realize factory cars aren't created equal, right? This particular issue you are talking about was much more of a DSM issue, rather than an NSRT-4 issue. From the factory, DSMs had recirculation valves that didn't 'blow off'. The NSRT-4 has a purge valve that WILL purge excess pressure to the atmosphere.

The average NSRT-4 owner buys the BOV conversion kit, a.k.a. blueplate or 'riceplate'. It alters the path/flow of the purge air and is much more loud/noticeable. However, it's not without it's use: it is widely regarded as the best "BOV" setup for the stock turbo when running higher boost levels than stock (in terms of not leaking and holding the psi).

Going back to the DSMs, people would install BOVs and have major issues because their ECU/PCM was calibrated to account for the circulating air. The NSRT-4's do not do this, so I'm guessing you simply have the two confused. :shrug:

I see that you're banned now, so this post is moot I suppose, but I find it amusing how many 'haters' there are out there and for no good reason. I have a ton of friends who constantly track their NSRT-4's and beat out Corvettes, Porsches, Vipers, Ferraris, STis, Evos and so forth on a consistent basis...and, most have put MAYBE 5-10k into their cars.

Bottom line...I have respect for any car that is tastefully and properly modified and that is owned by someone who is a CAR enthusiast. Also, because I know the majority of you love the looks of a Neon, here's a picture of mine, haha:

Yours actually looks clean and good. Props for you.

[wobz]

if he really spent $10,000 on mods and did it properly, and is a decent driver, he will probably win.

but he is bragging about a neon, so chances are, $1000 went into a bodykit, $300 went into a cold air intake, $100 went into an air tornado fuel saver, $300 went into putting in some restricting ricer mufflers, and the rest went into stickers

thats great

[Showstopper1969]

Uh the SRT4 shares pretty much nothing with any of the other Neon platforms except the basic chassis. Otherwise it's a completely different vehicle. It's pretty much like saying your car is just a basic V6 Stang with some upgrades. If he has what he says he does then he might give you a good run...from a roll at least.

man that knows what he is talkin bout...cant underestimate that rice!

[wobz]

UNfortunately, there is more than a fair share of douchebags in the community. It sounds like the SRT-4 owner you encountered falls into that category...and for that, I hope you blow his doors off and shut him up.

This is so true, I even work at the proving ground and am probably one of the few people that hasn't even put in the stage 1 kit yet. The poor car saw 150mile a day just to and from work for 2 years.

But seriously...on this 100% vent B.S. You do realize factory cars aren't created equal, right? This particular issue you are talking about was much more of a DSM issue, rather than an NSRT-4 issue. From the factory, DSMs had recirculation valves that didn't 'blow off'. The NSRT-4 has a purge valve that WILL purge excess pressure to the atmosphere.

The average NSRT-4 owner buys the BOV conversion kit, a.k.a. blueplate or 'riceplate'. It alters the path/flow of the purge air and is much more loud/noticeable. However, it's not without it's use: it is widely regarded as the best "BOV" setup for the stock turbo when running higher boost levels than stock (in terms of not leaking and holding the psi).

X2 I have seen very few with an actual BOV.

Bottom line...I have respect for any car that is tastefully and properly modified and that is owned by someone who is a CAR enthusiast. Also, because I know the majority of you love the looks of a Neon, here's a picture of mine, haha:

X2 yet again.

[rabove]

he did have a carbon fiber hood, and some exhaust, not ricer sounding though, I did catch a look at the rear trunk, it had some badge that said, stage something mopar.



Yours actually looks clean and good. Props for you.

Ditto to you. I love the new 06+ Mustang look. There's a guy that has a VERY similar looking GT that mobs around my area. It has at least exhaust and sounds so fuggin' amazing.

Honestly, I've been tempted to switch over to an 03-04 Cobra or one of the new GTs because I dig them. The only thing that keeps me from that, or even an STi/Evo is simply cost and gas. On highway trips, the SRT-4 is fully capable of seeing 30-32mpg. Around town, it all depends. The worst I've gotten was 23-24mpg and that was literally warming up the car, driving 2 miles with very little boost, then shutting the car off. Not really driving it on the freeway and mostly warming it up, then turning it off made for the worst tank of gas in terms of MPG. And I've had zero maintenance/reliability issues the last two years I've owned her.

Anyway...no need to defend, although it is a bit of a habit/automatic reaction, heh. If he's staged anything, he will lose. The average Stage 3 (Mopar kit) will run probably 320-350whp NOT on HOM (High Octane Mode). If they're running HOM, they can make up to 370-400whp.

If they have full on support mods (running more boost, FMIC, fuel, tuning, head, big wheel turbo, etc.) they can make up to 400-450whp off HOM and maybe 460-480whp on HOM. Most aren't pushed that far, and most will never see those numbers without a built head, big wheel (49lb), larger injectors, tuning and so forth.

Even with your weight difference, your RWD (traction) will more than make up for it. From a roll, it might be closer (again, assuming this person is running a maxxed out S3 setup)...but in reality (because it's extremely unlikely he has the setup I mentioned), you will rape him from a roll or a dig without much issue.

[rabove]

Oh, and one more thing going back to the BOV discussion: DSMs use MAF sensors, NSRT-4's use MAP sensors. That is why using a block off plate (stock turbo) on the purge valve, and installing an actual BOV on your cold side (pipe) on an NSRT-4 won't affect it.

Doing this on a DSM, however, will. There are ways around it on a DSM, but any real DSM tuner frowns upon it for a 'first' modification.