What is More useful Boxing or Karate in MMA?
They are Both Point Fighting but which is more effective in MMA?
Boxing
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Karate
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04-20-2008, 08:40 PM #1Banned
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What is More useful Boxing or Karate in MMA?
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04-20-2008, 08:51 PM #2Registered User
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Um, pretty much everyone is going to say boxing, unless you're talking about Kyokushin Karate which is more like kickboxing than the "karate" that everyone disses on.
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04-20-2008, 09:03 PM #3Banned
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Yup Karate has more tools GSP uses it and machida.Originally Posted by TheClips
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04-20-2008, 09:43 PM #4
karate may have more tools but i doubt they teach you ring generalship and footwork.. or how to throw a proper punch without leaving yourself wide open
99 times out of 100 boxer wins, leg kicks dont win fights
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04-20-2008, 09:45 PM #5Registered User
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Uhhh, yeah they do...Originally Posted by RoidRage420
Guaranteed that a boxer vs. a kickboxer, the boxer would be limping home in defeat, with tears streaming down his cheeks...But the other stuff you said I agree with!
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04-20-2008, 09:48 PM #6Registered User
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rofl
leg kicks dont win fights
and in other news, men dont care that much about sex
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04-20-2008, 09:50 PM #7Registered User
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If you've never even had a 1/4 speed leg kick, it is hard to grasp exactly how devastatingly painful it is. I used to think leg kicks were ****, then I felt one and realized they are THE ****!
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04-20-2008, 09:50 PM #8Banned
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HaHaHaOriginally Posted by TheClips
I love it!
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04-20-2008, 10:02 PM #9Registered User
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LOL at boxing is point fighting.Originally Posted by MrHurtMonger
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04-20-2008, 11:01 PM #10Banned
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It is point fighting rookie.Originally Posted by dethmetalanimal
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04-21-2008, 12:08 AM #11Banned
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U HURT? I see you negged me.
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04-21-2008, 12:16 AM #12I'll Get There
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HAHA, nice!Originally Posted by saladpants
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04-21-2008, 12:48 AM #13Registered User
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Boxing isn't exactly point fighting
just cus you can win via points dosn't mean that is the dominant skill coming out of the training
hell BJJ is pointfighting.... if that is the criteria
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04-21-2008, 07:03 AM #14Registered User
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most stupid thing I have ever heard.Originally Posted by TheClips
Kickboxers are 9 times out of ten very poor fighters.
Their training is flawed. Their footwork fuc*ed up big time.
Their hand technique is awful.
To quote bruce lee
"he who is the master of his hands will always come out on top"
The comment you made is either made from ignorance and no ring experince or just pure bias. Either way it's a foolish comment.
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04-21-2008, 07:06 AM #15Registered User
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I been an amatuer boxer for over 18 yrs.Originally Posted by MrHurtMonger
While there is a point system used in both amatuer and professional boxing.
it is nothing like that used in karate tournaments where they tap someone and they go POINT!
It is two completly different point systems.
Karate tourny = tip tap around
boxing= trying to knock you the fuc* out!
I am always amazed at how many people watch boxing but have no idea what they are watching and no idea how to even take a pen and paper and score the fight round by round but yet always run their chops about the sport as if they know wtf they are talking about.
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04-21-2008, 07:14 AM #16Pasty Bell End
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on behalf of what i imagine half the mma section's views our, let me tell you to STFUOriginally Posted by latverian
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"our" or "are"???????????Originally Posted by nuttybl
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04-21-2008, 07:19 AM #18Registered User
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typical moron with no ring experince talking shi*Originally Posted by nuttybl
I support MMA fighters completly.
You don't know wtf you are talking about.
I suggest you follow your own inexperinced advice and STFU!
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04-21-2008, 07:20 AM #19Strength Sports for Life
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Lol. You've never fought a true kick boxer.Originally Posted by latverian
I've had Muay Thai and Boxing ring experience and I can say that "kick boxers" are more versed and more conditioned (generally) than your average boxer.Moved Squat, Bench, and Deadlift to Yoke, Log, and Stones.
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04-21-2008, 07:21 AM #20Pasty Bell End
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why dont you have a peak at the video posted above you?
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04-21-2008, 07:26 AM #21Registered User
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I've studied wing chun for 14 yrs.Originally Posted by Project_C
Again some of you people need to find out the facts before making assumptions.
The question is what benefits a MMA fighter the most. karate training or boxing training.
What makes a good MMA fighter is mastering the ground and mastering his hands when on his feet.
When it comes to footwork and hand technique karate or kickboxing neither one come close.
watch a floyd mayweather fight or a roy jones fight in his prime or an ali fight in his prime or any other world champion calibur boxer and then watch a world championship kick boxing match.
one looks like poetry in motion and pure brilliance. true masters of their trade and you can see it from how they move to their punching to their defensive skills with their footwork and head movement.....the other looks akward and sluggish and poorly played out.
anyone who has ever watched both and does not agree with that is either blind or bias and just that stupid they dont know enough about what is in front of them to make an educated opinon
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04-21-2008, 07:29 AM #22Strength Sports for Life
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Wing Chun is not Muay Thai or Kick Boxing. I know because I've practiced Wing Chun under private instruction.Originally Posted by latverian
Look man, I voted boxing, I've been a "boxer" for years. But to say that a kick boxer can't compare to a boxer is absurd. The more tools you have, the more chances you have to succeed.
Boxing = Movement and hands
Kick Boxing = Movement, hands, feet (sometimes elbows, knees and grappling).Moved Squat, Bench, and Deadlift to Yoke, Log, and Stones.
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04-21-2008, 07:30 AM #23Registered User
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what's that video supposed to show or prove?Originally Posted by nuttybl
you have some fighter in there who prob is nothing more than a club fighter fighting boxing matches in bars or local gyms.
lol man or boy in your case...you should just keep your mouth shut cause you do not have the experince to even engage in a debate like this.
your a kid who has watched one too many kung fu movies.
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04-21-2008, 07:32 AM #24Registered User
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ProjectC no offense to you but I have sparred with many kickboxers.Originally Posted by Project_C
If you put an average boxer in with an average kickboxer odds are it would be anyones fight.
I am talking world class level here. World champions.
Not some bum pro fiighter who fights at clubs or some amatuer like my self.
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04-21-2008, 07:34 AM #25Strength Sports for Life
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Right. And I'd pick Ramon Dekkers over Oscar De La Hoya.Originally Posted by latverian
Moved Squat, Bench, and Deadlift to Yoke, Log, and Stones.
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04-21-2008, 07:37 AM #26Registered User
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that's cool.
you have every right too.
As inactive as de la hoya has been I would prob pick a world champion calibur kickboxer over him now too.
He has no timing or rythem now. You can have all the skill in the world but if you are not in the gym everyday and sparring to develop your time and get your rtythem down then you will lose to even the most minium of talented fighters if they have been in the gym and you havent.
if eddie van halen didnt touch a guitar for 6 months I assure you he would not be able to play close to the level he was playing before he stoped.
some concept applies to fighting and staying in the gym
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04-21-2008, 07:42 AM #27Registered User
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Boxing is modified in mma. Hand need to drop lower to defend take down. Fists don't stick to cheeks.
I say this depends on who you're talking about. Boxing is going to be more efficient in close quarters for sure.MMA Fighter, Instructor, Personal Trainer, Strength and Conditioning coach, Fitness Guru
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04-21-2008, 07:46 AM #28Registered User
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GSP also has a profesisonal boxing trainer and spars with professional boxers to prepare for his fights. I'm not one to knock karate but a decent knowledge of boxing is better for mma usually.Originally Posted by MrHurtMonger
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04-21-2008, 07:58 AM #29I throw spinning sh*t
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I'd pick Dekkers (prime) over Mayweather with kickboxing or Thai rules.Originally Posted by Project_C
Right. And I'd pick Ramon Dekkers over Oscar De La Hoya."The sun is always gonna rise, and always gonna set and I'll just keep on punching because everyday is gonna bring something different and I just want to be ready for it."
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04-21-2008, 07:59 AM #30Strength Sports for Life
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I think we were talking boxing rules?Originally Posted by HardGainer82
I couldn't think of any other examples. Haha. And I think they would weigh the same?Moved Squat, Bench, and Deadlift to Yoke, Log, and Stones.
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