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    Are behind the neck pull-ups bad for you?

    I've recently started doing these and I've been told elsewhere there're not a good thing to do.
    I would be interested in what you guys might think about this.
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    I've heard that along with behind the neck presses, they are ok as long as you don't go past your ears.
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    Originally Posted by clive View Post
    I've recently started doing these and I've been told elsewhere there're not a good thing to do.
    I would be interested in what you guys might think about this.
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    supposebly bad for rotator cuff but i don't know. I have a friend thats absolutely built and has a godly back who swares by them.
    oh yeah op your looking great, keep up the hard work. (no homo)
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    /waits for Extremist Pullup to join the thread.

    If they don't bother your shoulders than go for it imo. If they do hurt, then don't.
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    i'm sure its a good workout but i don't trust it just because its a really awkward position for your shoulders to be in. i stay away from it to avoid further shoulder problems
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    yeah, it puts your shoulders in an awkward position and i believe it leaves u susceptible to cervical strain (neck strain) because u have to lean your head and neck forward to get the bar behind your head, tahts why i dont like doing behind the neck presses.

    so imo i wouldnt do them, it does hit your traps a bit more i believe, but then throwing in some shrugs would do the same thing
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    It's only unsafe if you're physiologically incompatible.
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    They do bother the rotator cuff in some people. Does this mean they're wrong for everyone - NO. If you do these and start developing problems , logically, stop doing them. If they don't bother you, God bless you.

    There are many different pull up variations to choose from that get the job done. Find the ones that suit you. That's all.
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    stick to pull ups to the chest.

    no need to take unnecesary risks when there are other exercises which are as good or even better...

    same for the neck press.
    do the front or military press instead.

    I stay away from pressing above the head anyway
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    Originally Posted by Noviomagus View Post
    stick to pull ups to the chest.

    no need to take unnecesary risks when there are other exercises which are as good or even better...

    same for the neck press.
    do the front or military press instead.

    I stay away from pressing above the head anyway
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    Why not let others decide which exercises are "good or even better" for them?

    To the OP, I would do them if you feel better contractions in your lats as opposed to regular pull-ups. i know i certainly do.
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    even leg curls are bad for you if you do them incorrectly. Well, actually, there a lot to do with your RC (which is as overated as "overtraining") health and mobility. But no, they aren't bad. They are awesome. I have been doing them for a long time. I even do BTN shoulder press. I haven't had any problems. But of course, if it hurts in the wrong way, you gotta step back and see why it isn't working, and then correct the fault or stop the movement or whatever.
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    Originally Posted by Ajk_Lpool View Post
    Why not let others decide which exercises are "good or even better" for them?

    To the OP, I would do them if you feel better contractions in your lats as opposed to regular pull-ups. i know i certainly do.
    why not let others decide?

    you act as if I have the power to stop him from ruining his shoulder joints.
    (these exercise are known to be rotator cuff wreckors).
    do what you like I don't care ,but if someone asks a question I give the answer I think is best.

    your first sentence shows that you do like to tell me what I have to do.
    but I didn't ask a question about my answer did I?

    there are many older bodybuilders who got shoulder problem thanks to those exercises.
    and an 18 or 20 year old may not experience problems but when you done it for years you might.
    but then again

    do what you like man.
    I just read a lot about this stuff.
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    I had someone ask me this very questin in my journal today. It went something like this:

    Originally Posted by Fiend_73 View Post
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    Have you ever had issues with the rotator cuff from behind the neck pulldowns?
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    I can say I have never had any issues.

    What I do is sit facing away from the stack of weights and use a weight that is done for higher reps. I hook my feet under the seat to stay down. Most machines are set up to do pulls to the front.
    As long as you don't lean forward toward the stack of weights while pulling down (on machines with a boom that sticks out farther, you can face the stack of weights) there should be no issues. Straight up and down movement with the bar. I hope that I explained clearly.

    I will not use heavy weights with this exercise.
    I DO believe it is a necessary exercise for back. Many will not agree due to the question that you asked me.
    As long as you train smart there should be no problems in my opinion.
    In your case for the pull up behind the neck I would say:

    If you don't feel any discomfort then by all means keep doing them.

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    I'm not sure if it is wise to advise someone to keep doing something as long as it is not uncomfortable. There are plenty of physical exercises that are done easily and comfortably for years while they silently break down your bone/tissue to a point where you've sustained a lifelong injury.

    From everything I've heard any kind of behind the neck press or pull up is potentially very dangerous. I know people who did these for years and ended up needing surgery....and they felt fine until it was at the point of no return. I say do them at your own risk, and realize that others have been seriously injured doing this exercise.
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    Originally Posted by DJAuto View Post
    It's only unsafe if you're physiologically incompatible.
    The best answer!

    You need a good deal of flexibility to do them with good ROM, and it's definitely one of those exercises that you should be cautious of pain with. But as long as those two are in order you can put them to good use.
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    Originally Posted by Genetixs View Post
    I'm not sure if it is wise to advise someone to keep doing something as long as it is not uncomfortable. There are plenty of physical exercises that are done easily and comfortably for years while they silently break down your bone/tissue to a point where you've sustained a lifelong injury.

    From everything I've heard any kind of behind the neck press or pull up is potentially very dangerous. I know people who did these for years and ended up needing surgery....and they felt fine until it was at the point of no return. I say do them at your own risk, and realize that others have been seriously injured doing this exercise.
    I'm sure you make a good point.
    It has been a rule of thumb for me in the twenty years of lifting for me and I have stayed injury free over all those years. (gym related injuries anywhey)

    Also thats exactly why I wrote "Thats my opinion"
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    If you can maintain your arms perpendicular to the floor while in the bottom position, then you've got the necessary flexibility to do behind the neck pulldowns or presses. But if your arms angle forward, you'd better stay away from them. Most people actually don't have this degree of flexibility, but I've seen some who do and they've made great gains on them without any shoulder problems whatsoever.
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    I've never been a fan of anything behind the neck. I do my pullups and military presses to the front and I've gotten good results from this.
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    possibly puts your shoulder joints in the "impingement zone". I agree though that some exercises do grind away at joints over the years and you just don't notice until it is too late. Why not just stick to pullups to the front? I wouldn't worry about the small amount of extra stimulation you may get from doing the more dangerous version which is doing them behind the head. The risk of injury isn't worth it imo.

    A lot of exercises have more risks than they do benefits. behind the head pullups and behind the head presses are some of them.
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    Assuming the average weight of people on this forum is 180 to 200 lbs, that's a lot of weight to be pulling in an unfavourable position. Behind the neck pulldowns are bad enough, but when someone starts doing pullup behind the neck they're using a lot of weight from the very first set. Troubles could occur sooner than later for many because of the loads involved.
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    Originally Posted by tropo View Post
    Assuming the average weight of people on this forum is 180 to 200 lbs, that's a lot of weight to be pulling in an unfavourable position. Behind the neck pulldowns are bad enough, but when someone starts doing pullup behind the neck they're using a lot of weight from the very first set. Troubles could occur sooner than later for many because of the loads involved.
    What does the body weight of a person have to do with it?

    Either the exercise is compatible for them or not. Who's to say it's an unfavorable position for everyone? Some people respond to them very well with no problems at all. I don't think it's wise to put an absolute stamp of "no" on any exercise. Trial and error is the best teacher.
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    Originally Posted by SluttySamantha View Post
    What does the body weight of a person have to do with it?

    Either the exercise is compatible for them or not. Who's to say it's an unfavorable position for everyone? Some people respond to them very well with no problems at all. I don't think it's wise to put an absolute stamp of "no" on any exercise. Trial and error is the best teacher.
    What does the body weight have to do with it? Are you serious?

    It has everything to do with it. The behind neck position is a very unfavourable position for strength. What this means is that the exercise puts the body at a strength disadvantage due to position. If a person weighs for example 245 lbs (that's my weight), then I'd be pulling 245 lbs behind my neck for the very first set. It's an invitation for injury.

    Tell me this, would you come into behind the neck presses starting at 245 lbs? Would you come into any exercise at that weight?

    At 20 years of age (or was that IQ?) you'd know jack **** about what happens over time from doing risky exercises. The best teacher is commonsense, and doing stuff behind the neck doesn't make sense - for anyone.
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    wide grip chins to the front and pull your chest into the bar works well. it gives you a slighly longer range of motion then doing them behind the neck
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    The behind neck position is a very unfavourable position for strength. What this means is that the exercise puts the body at a strength disadvantage due to position
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    Originally Posted by tropo View Post
    What does the body weight have to do with it? Are you serious?

    It has everything to do with it. The behind neck position is a very unfavourable position for strength. What this means is that the exercise puts the body at a strength disadvantage due to position. If a person weighs for example 245 lbs (that's my weight), then I'd be pulling 245 lbs behind my neck for the very first set. It's an invitation for injury.

    Tell me this, would you come into behind the neck presses starting at 245 lbs? Would you come into any exercise at that weight?

    At 20 years of age (or was that IQ?) you'd know jack **** about what happens over time from doing risky exercises. The best teacher is commonsense, and doing stuff behind the neck doesn't make sense - for anyone.
    I know people who do this exercise every week and have no problems with it at all and they are older. Behind the neck pulls or pull ups hurt my shoulders so I don't do them. However, other people greatly benefit from them. Who are you to tell them they are wrong?

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    if you have flexible and healthy shoulders they (and BTN presses) do nothing but make your back and shoulders bigger and stronger

    (wish I could do behind the neck pullups, need to get stronger at regular pullups first)
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    Originally Posted by SluttySamantha View Post
    What does the body weight of a person have to do with it?

    Either the exercise is compatible for them or not. Who's to say it's an unfavorable position for everyone? Some people respond to them very well with no problems at all. I don't think it's wise to put an absolute stamp of "no" on any exercise. Trial and error is the best teacher.

    I disagree with the last sentence here. Trial and error, especially when it comes to safety, is certainly not the best teacher...hell it is a downright horrible teacher. Comeon man, you know better than that!
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    Originally Posted by SluttySamantha View Post

    BTW - You can personally attack me on my IQ but it doesn't really matter because you are obviously a bitter 48 year old f*ck.
    Did you forget who started this IQ bull****? You can give it out but you can't take it. Let's see if you're still lifting in another 28 years. By then maybe you'll know something. Even if you don't, you'll at least know something about injuries from your trial and errors.
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    Originally Posted by ExtremistPullup View Post
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    WTF?

    So you are obviously as strong in behind the neck pulls as you are in pulls to the front.

    That's great.
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    Originally Posted by tropo View Post
    Did you forget who started this IQ bull****? You can give it out but you can't take it. Let's see if you're still lifting in another 28 years. By then maybe you'll know something. Even if you don't, you'll at least know something about injuries from your trial and errors.
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