Anderson Silva vs. GSP

payton0621 · 05-31-2008, 01:10 PM

Who do you guys see winning this? I think Anderson would be too much for GSP on their feet and would win by KO in Round2.... Silva's bigger, stronger and his striking his better.... I think the fight would be pretty one-sided....

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 01:16 PM

Im not so sure about Anderson being "Bigger and stronger"

If Anderson is gonna be winning it, it's with his versatile striking and impressive athleticism that he rides on with his BJJ

Goddamn, this guy's striking is fluid and accurate. Even in a seeming flurry of exchanges, his hands, legs, elbows and feet go in the general direction of the target. Not many fighters have this.

From what I recall of his fights, Anderson had the most difficulty against people who weren't backing down and were counter attacking against his assaults (instead of just defending and evading). GSP needs to take Anderson out of his rhythm and make him panic (if Silva ever does ... which I think is unlikely)

GSP would need insane limb awareness when he wrestles silva down. He has to keep pressure on Silva on the ground so that Silva doesnt have idle time to gather his wit about him, looking to BJJ his way out of that predicament.

On those 3 notes, it would seem a 5, 5 minute round of constant pushing from GSP would be his best chance. The real key here is enough STAMINA for a full press of 25 minutes.
If GSP goes idle, Anderson would get his rhythm back and start attacking and picking away at GSP's defenses

payton0621 · 05-31-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

Im not so sure about Anderson being "Bigger and stronger"

If Anderson is gonna be winning it, it's with his versatile striking and impressive athleticism that he rides on with his BJJ

Goddamn, this guy's striking is fluid and accurate. Even in a seeming flurry of exchanges, his hands, legs, elbows and feet go in the general direction of the target. Not many fighters have this.

Hmmm it seems to me that he was bigger and stronger the Franklin and Rich is big for his weight.... Frankiln said it felt like he was w/ Tim while in the clinch... Anderson is one of those guys that doesn't look that strong but he is....

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 01:38 PM

To make it clearer:

On feet: Anderson, hands down

GSP will have to take Anderson down. But Anderson has good takedown defense. GSP will have to keep trying, and his stamina has to keep up

On ground: Could swing either way
Once GSP is on top, he will need to keep hammering and disorienting Silva so that Silva can't BJJ his way out of there, or worse, submit GSP

The way I see it, GSP will really have to keep pushing, whether they're on the ground or on their feet

The key here would be GSP's stamina

Why the need for GSP to take it to the ground?

GSP hasnt shown INSANE striking defenses, which is what's needed against Anderson. Anderson just has too many weapons in his arsenal

and GSP hasnt shown much premise in his striking that might score him a win against Silva

Offtopic:
I wanna see the Spider try to outbox an elite pro boxer
I wanna see how well his hands go against a person who's well trained in striking defenses .. someone who has dancing, bobbing and weaving hammered into his brain

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by payton0621

Hmmm it seems to me that he was bigger and stronger the Franklin and Rich is big for his weight.... Frankiln said it felt like he was w/ Tim while in the clinch... Anderson is one of those guys that doesn't look that strong but he is....

If he said Anderson seemed strong while in the clinch, thats totally different from overall strength, which GSP seems to have

That strength in the clinch might've come from Anderson's proper Muay Thai clinch, as opposed to the weak clinch that Randy uses. Another factor might be Rich's inexperience against a true Muay Thai clnch (this is just speculation on my part though... I dont know much of Franklin's training partners)

payton0621 · 05-31-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

If he said Anderson seemed strong while in the clinch, thats totally different from overall strength, which GSP seems to have

That strength in the clinch might've come from Anderson's proper Muay Thai clinch, as opposed to the weak clinch that Randy uses. Another factor might be Rich's inexperience against a true Muay Thai clnch (this is just speculation on my part though... I dont know much of Franklin's training partners)

Maybe.... But i would not give a strength advantage to GSP... I believe that Silva is the stronger of the two but that's just my perception/opinion....

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by payton0621

Maybe.... But i would not give a strength advantage to GSP... I believe that Silva is the stronger of the two but that's just my perception/opinion....

Really?
for me, GSP has the overall strength covered based on:

I cant remember when Anderson out-muscled someone for position. Outmaneuver, definitely, but not out-muscle

Whereas a fighter with good wrestling background like GSP does that naturally

edit:: Im assuming that they both fight at the same weight class for this "fight" of theirs. 170 vs 185 is pretty big, especially concerning strength

on my offtopic note:

HOLY **** I totally forgot about his supposed boxing match against Roy Jones jr.

I sure hope this happens ... Im getting what I asked for, and didnt even know it

injured44 · 05-31-2008, 01:57 PM

gsp could beat him if he got him down...

on the feet silva beats gsp though

Maine · 05-31-2008, 02:00 PM

It depends on the weight, i think at 170, Silva would be out of his element and GSP would have the upper hand, at 185, Silva would be favourite and if Silva went up to 205, i see Rampage causing him a lot of damage.

payton0621 · 05-31-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

Really?
for me, GSP has the overall strength covered based on:

I cant remember when Anderson out-muscled someone for position. Outmaneuver, definitely, but not out-muscle

Whereas a fighter with good wrestling background like GSP does that naturally

edit:: Im assuming that they both fight at the same weight class for this "fight" of theirs. 170 vs 185 is pretty big, especially concerning strength

on my offtopic note:

HOLY **** I totally forgot about his supposed boxing match against Roy Jones jr.

I sure hope this happens ... Im getting what I asked for, and didnt even know it

Yeah I think Dana already said "no" to the fight w/ Jones.... I would love to hear other people's opinions about the strength issue.... Plus Anderson out matched Lutter on the ground so I wouldn't give the edge to GSP.... And it didn't seem to me that Lutter gassed in that fight like he did w/ Franklin.....

payton0621 · 05-31-2008, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Maine

It depends on the weight, i think at 170, Silva would be out of his element and GSP would have the upper hand, at 185, Silva would be favourite and if Silva went up to 205, i see Rampage causing him a lot of damage.

I think that Silva's striking and BJJ would present a lot of problems for Rampage.... I would like to see Silva fight Chuck, Wandy or Rampage.... All awesome match ups....

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 02:09 PM

I cant recall much of Anderson's fight with Lutter, since i just watched it once (it was lame ... lutter not making the weight and still performing horribly)
So I wont comment on the Strength issue with Lutter

As for the weight issue, how bout a compromise?
They fight at 177-178?
I know it's not that simple, but it was just an idea

Its scary to see Silva lose more weight, i can almost see his ribs through his pecs

He's pretty skinny for a 185

OT again: I hope Anderson boxes after his UFC contract expires and before he sings a new UFC contract

JabCross · 05-31-2008, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by payton0621

Who do you guys see winning this? I think Anderson would be too much for GSP on their feet and would win by KO in Round2.... Silva's bigger, stronger and his striking his better.... I think the fight would be pretty one-sided....

gsp is about the same height as hendo. just putting that out there. yeah, he says he's 6'1, but he looked at least 4" shorter than andy silva during the stare down.

injured44 · 05-31-2008, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

I cant recall much of Anderson's fight with Lutter, since i just watched it once (it was lame ... lutter not making the weight and still performing horribly)
So I wont comment on the Strength issue with Lutter

As for the weight issue, how bout a compromise?
They fight at 177-178?
I know it's not that simple, but it was just an idea

Its scary to see Silva lose more weight, i can almost see his ribs through his pecs

He's pretty skinny for a 185

OT again: I hope Anderson boxes after his UFC contract expires and before he sings a new UFC contract

why should silva come down ?? if you want to take on the bigger guy you should come to him...

silva walks around pretty heavy anyways if you see his pics when hes not cutting hes like 205 pounds give or take a few

droww · 05-31-2008, 02:59 PM

I think id rather see silva fight machida more than anyone.

eazy e 123 · 05-31-2008, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Maine

It depends on the weight, i think at 170, Silva would be out of his element and GSP would have the upper hand, at 185, Silva would be favourite and if Silva went up to 205, i see Rampage causing him a lot of damage.

does anyone know what gsp and silvas walkaround weights are? I can't see silva cutting down to 170, if even possible he would be very drained and weak during the fight

Black_Spit · 05-31-2008, 03:38 PM

Oh hai guyz!!111

Final;y, a Silva vs. GSP thread.

MiscLyfe · 05-31-2008, 03:43 PM

Silva>GSP Hands down, why the thread? GSP is up and down. Silva has proven himself.

HardGainer82 · 05-31-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

If he said Anderson seemed strong while in the clinch, thats totally different from overall strength, which GSP seems to have

That strength in the clinch might've come from Anderson's proper Muay Thai clinch, as opposed to the weak clinch that Randy uses. Another factor might be Rich's inexperience against a true Muay Thai clnch (this is just speculation on my part though... I dont know much of Franklin's training partners)

How did Randy get into the discussion?

dontdisagree · 05-31-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HardGainer82

How did Randy get into the discussion?

Just showing the difference between a Muay Thai practioner's clinch, and a lax clinch by non MT practitioners like couture

Kane Fan · 05-31-2008, 11:28 PM

pretty sure GSP would take it
he's definatly stopable by someone with power and Silva has it but if he got in and got the Takedown, which I think he has sufficent Striking to do that, then I think GSP would win

HulkHagen · 05-31-2008, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

Just showing the difference between a Muay Thai practioner's clinch, and a lax clinch by non MT practitioners like couture

Couture's clinch isn't meant to be an MT clinch, it's a Greco Roman clinch that he uses to dirty box, close distance against dangerous strikers, and to do takedowns. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

imgregrice · 05-31-2008, 11:37 PM

As stated many times this is a really hard fight to call ... but wow I would like for it to happen... hell I just want to see each of them fight again even if not against each other GSP was a MACHINE the last fight but then again silva always is ...

Kane Fan · 05-31-2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dontdisagree

Just showing the difference between a Muay Thai practioner's clinch, and a lax clinch by non MT practitioners like couture

his 'lax Clinch' works just fine
obviously it would be piss poor in MThai but this is MMA and his Clinch works wonderfuly in MMA

dontdisagree · 06-01-2008, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kane Fan

his 'lax Clinch' works just fine
obviously it would be piss poor in MThai but this is MMA and his Clinch works wonderfuly in MMA

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Originally Posted by HulkHagen

Couture's clinch isn't meant to be an MT clinch, it's a Greco Roman clinch that he uses to dirty box, close distance against dangerous strikers, and to do takedowns. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

I never said Couture's clinch is ineffective. I never said couture's clinch was an attempt to copy a MT clinch

Please read between the lines. I mentioned it because OP said "Franklin said Silva seemed to be very strong in the clinch"

Me, mentioning a weak clinch exhibited by couture was a means to show that a Muay Thai clinch would make it seem a person is Physically stronger overall

back to topic:
Silva on their feet
GSP on the ground by TKO or sub. ONLY if GSP kept pushing so much that he takes Silva out of his game