Great tip: Try to diet straight for 2 years, without 1 single cheat-meal !!

[unsoberx]

ANOTHER GREAT TIP FOLKS !!

Don't never engage in cheat-meals at least for 1 or 2 years. Try to diet straight without any junk food, binge eating, or big cheat meal at any restaurant or at home for at least 2 years if you can in order to achieve a perfect muscular body.

I say this because this professional bodybuilder told me once, that people with slow metabolisms who fall off the wagon and do a big 2000 to 5000 calorie cheat-meal fall back about 3-4 months of hard efforts.

When you ingest 5000 calories all at once like for example in a Christmas-Day dinner, your body adds a lot of adipose fat new cells. Fat cells never go away, they shrink in size.

So in other words, the more cheat meals and more often cheat meals you have within your diet, the longer it will take to get a fat free body.

If you want to shock your metabolic-rate every once in a while, what you can do is walk 2 hours that day, and increase your calorie intake just by 500 extra calories of protein (not carbs), that way you still will be eating more than your 1800 maintainance and not add new fat cells to your already fatcells you have in your body

So again try not to cheat, even christmas. Skip christmas dinners if you can

remember strive for perfection, suffer a lot, endure suffering, pain and sacrifice

take care all


unsoberx

[shookers]

Clearly bodybuilders are all expert biologists....oh wait

[Oak-As 916]

ANOTHER GREAT TIP FOLKS !!

Don't never engage in cheat-meals at least for 1 or 2 years. Try to diet straight without any junk food, binge eating, or big cheat meal at any restaurant or at home for at least 2 years if you can in order to achieve a perfect muscular body.

I say this because this professional bodybuilder told me once, that people with slow metabolisms who fall off the wagon and do a big 2000 to 5000 calorie cheat-meal fall back about 3-4 months of hard efforts.

When you ingest 5000 calories all at once like for example in a Christmas-Day dinner, your body adds a lot of adipose fat new cells. Fat cells never go away, they shrink in size.

So in other words, the more cheat meals and more often cheat meals you have within your diet, the longer it will take to get a fat free body.

If you want to shock your metabolic-rate every once in a while, what you can do is walk 2 hours that day, and increase your calorie intake just by 500 extra calories of protein (not carbs), that way you still will be eating more than your 1800 maintainance and not add new fat cells to your already fatcells you have in your body

So again try not to cheat, even christmas. Skip christmas dinners if you can

remember strive for perfection, suffer a lot, endure suffering, pain and sacrifice

take care all


unsoberx

Yes, everyone listen. Christmas is evil! Nobody should enjoy life ever, and if you happen to binge on 4000 cals then it will take you 6 months to lose it.

Just kidding man, but seriously, this is kind of dumb.

[jcosley]

Dont cheat....

Easier said then done my friend.

[krazyk]

You dont get new fat cells from one 5000 cal meal. If you did I would be one fat mofo.

[OfficerCartman]

riiiiiiiight........

[Ehmien]

No thnx, i enjoy ma weekly cheat and the scale is still going down...i like the 1 "do a big 2000 to 5000 calorie cheat-meal fall back about 3-4 months of hard efforts." part....

[TonicWater]

I thought people were basically born with a certain number of fat cells. I've never heard this idea that binging creates new ones. I don't I would ever eat that much luckily.

As for the time scale... If you were to say don't cheat for 2 years and you'll lose fat cells, that'd have been cool. But you didn't. Basically you're just laying out a system to get lean faster and possibly stress out many people who don't have the mentality for such extremes.

[Darnelle B]

why do we have dumb post like this

[sbbc]

I've been doing cheats every week for a few weeks now and that scale keeps going down. This is after plateauing for weeks while keeping to my usual calorie deficit.

The whole leptin/refeed thing is interesting and as far as I'm concerned works... been reading the Cheat to Lose Diet for a more structured version of this and to try and get a bit more insight about it.

I don't binge.. I'll eat a lot of the "bad" foods.. just not to the point of "omg I'm stuffed" and people start wondering if you're a pregnant man or something.

[chodan9]

Fat cells never go away, they shrink in size.

Is that even true?

[DLXZero]

Is that even true?

Fat Cells never go away, they do shrink tho.

[matsimitso]

Is that even true?

Yeh thats true, only thing that will remove them is lipo..

But dont listen to this guys, hes obviously a complete tool, who doesnt have a clue what he is on about and will never achieve an admirable Body

[EMTKid]

Fat Cells never go away, they do shrink tho.

You don't actually think that do you....

This thread makes me cry

[TheKansan]

Bro science.

[matsimitso]

You don't actually think that do you....

This thread makes me cry

They dont go away bro, they only shrink..

Think of them as a water baloon.. they fill up.. or you can drain them
But you cannot remove them, other than with a surgical prosedure, such as lipo..

[EMTKid]

They dont go away bro, they only shrink..

Think of them as a water baloon.. they fill up.. or you can drain them
But you cannot remove them, other than with a surgical prosedure, such as lipo..

All non-neuronal cells die and are replaced by the body. It is true that adipose generally does this a lot slower than other tissues, but that does not mean the cells are not dying.

[matsimitso]

they will always be there ready to be filled back up with adipose tissue, wthr you like it or not.

[EMTKid]

http://www.ars.usda.gov/is/pr/2006/060303.htm

Not exactly the article I was looking for, but you get the idea. Search for adipocyte death or adipocyte apoptosis, there is plenty of info talking about fat cells dying. Weight loss generally means adipocytes shrinking, not dying, but saying that they are there for life is totally incorrect.

[matsimitso]

man go to google, ask, yahoo, bb.com wereva .. n trype in "do fat cells die"
or "how bodyfat works" or somthing
n read read read

[icery]

straight from layne norton:

"Additionally, at higher body fat levels, the body may not merely just increase fat cell size, it may start making new fat cells and once your body makes new fat cells, they are yours to keep you can't get rid of them. The long term effect of this would be an elevation of a person's body fat set point."

however the idea you set your self back months from a huge cheat meal is completely wrong

[Frenchtickler]

you're crazy man !!! I did 3 months and it was long enough!

[marcFE]

If you have one cheat meal for 5000 calories normally your body won't even be able to digest most of it on the spot. The idea that you will create new fat cells as opposed to just storing the excess calories as glycogen/current adipose cells is idiotic. I imagine it is beneficial for pro bodybuilders to not cheat, but there is (or was) a thread dedicated to people posting/talking about their cheat meals. Alot of those guys in there had ripped abs and would still cheat with the best of em. If you are in a calorie deficit and dieting hard and have a cheat meal, almost all of that cheat will end up being partitioned towards your depleted muscles/liver. This is the reason that the day after a cheat meal you tend to look extremely good in the mirror because the fat loss becomes much more obvious with your muscles full of glycogen as opposed to being depleted while dieting.

[TonicWater]

I remembered last night reading in Muscular Development about research in labs that found capsicum was able to destroy fat cells and that research was now being conducted if it could perform this in humans.

Quick google of capsicum destroys fat cells gave this: http://www.weight.com/causes.asp

"During these periods, an excessive amount of weight gain causes an increased number of fat cells. Once a fat cell is formed, you generally cannot get rid of it. However, recent studies imply that use of certain medications can destroy fat cells and that a decrease in the number of fat cells can occur if you maintain a lower body weight for a prolonged period of time."

Celery also apparently can help destroy fat cells.

This claim may have some basis. However it is not yet conclusively proven. In which case it is safer to stick with tried and tested methods.

[Turbulence24]

I hate how people can't catch sarcasm over the internet.

[Badfrog]

We need a female poster to chime in and say "It shrinks?"

[krazyk]

I thought people were basically born with a certain number of fat cells. I've never heard this idea that binging creates new ones. I don't I would ever eat that much luckily.

As for the time scale... If you were to say don't cheat for 2 years and you'll lose fat cells, that'd have been cool. But you didn't. Basically you're just laying out a system to get lean faster and possibly stress out many people who don't have the mentality for such extremes.

When the fat cells you are born with get too large from over eating your body does indeed make more.

[cbrickhouse]

i would rather enjoy myself occasionally and get to my goal in a year or so than to deprive myself so badly that i would fall off the wagon totally.

[TonicWater]

When the fat cells you are born with get too large from over eating your body does indeed make more.

I did not know this. This is interesting. A one off binge couldn't have that impact I assume?

[RobbFix]

Kirsty Spalding and colleagues at Stockholm University provide scientific evidence of the storage dynamics of fat cell turnover in humans
(K. L. Spalding et al. Nature doi:10.1038/nature06902; 2008).

Two factors contribute to an increase in fat mass: the number of fat cells and how much fat each of them stores (their volume). The authors studied the dynamics of fat-cell number in some 700 adults, both lean and obese, and combined their data with previous observations in children and adolescents.

A clear pattern emerged: irrespective of weight, the number of fat cells seems to rise steadily from birth to the early twenties, but remains constant thereafter. Moreover, in patients observed before and up to two years after surgical treatments that facilitate weight loss by reducing stomach size, no decrease in fat-cell numbers was detected ? although their volume did drop.

So, are fat cells that are generated in early life doomed to remain with us till death us do part? In animal studies, this question can be addressed by labelling DNA nucleotides with radioactive isotopes such as 14C. Differentiated fat cells do not divide, and so radioisotopes, incorporated in their DNA in the last round of division before differentiation, remain there throughout the cells' life. The time of radiolabel incorporation, which is worked out from its half-life, is therefore the 'birth date' of these cells. But the potential toxicity of radioisotopes means that such studies cannot be performed in humans.

Spalding et al. cleverly thought of the next-best option. Atmospheric levels of 14C have remained relatively constant for centuries, with the only major increase occurring between 1955 and 1963, when nuclear bombs were being tested above ground. A chain of reactions ensures that, at any given time, the radioisotope content of human DNA matches that of the atmosphere. The authors could thus follow fat-cell dynamics in individuals born around 1955?63.

As Spalding and colleagues' results show, fat cells have a high turnover: new cells are continually being born to replace their dead predecessors. The average age of a fat cell seems to be about 10 years in both lean and obese individuals, and the number of fat cells as a proportion of all cells remains constant in each weight group. But the total number of new fat cells was higher in obese subjects, suggesting that they are replenishing an existing larger pool.

So do the lean among us need to worry about our diet if we have fewer fat cells? Yes, we do: our fewer fat cells can still store large amounts of fat. Also, can obese people do anything about their weight? After all, they've already accumulated a large pool of fat cells in childhood and adolescence? Again, the answer is yes.