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    2008 Honda Civic Hybrid vs 2009 VW Jetta Turbo Diesel

    I'm thinking of getting one of these. I care about the environment about 1% and personally saving money at the gas pump about 99% so try and keep that in mind.

    2008 Honda Civic Hybrid
    Pros:
    Gets 40/45 MPG city/highway. Most of my miles are EDIT CITY.
    Less expensive by a couple grand than the TD Jetta
    If I get one in August, I can probably get a deal on the 08
    Cons:
    Hybrid battery is expensive and needs replacing at some point (I think 100K miles)

    2009 WV Jetta Turbo Diesel
    Pros:
    Gets 45/60 city/highway.
    Diesel engines last forever and ever

    Cons:
    More expensive
    Diesel engine runs louder
    Uses diesel fuel which is not only more $$$ but the price jumps around all the time

    ... Which one should I consider? Which one would you get?
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    I think I would go with hybrid. Diesel fuel is very expensive. It is selling for almost $5.00 a gallon here in California.
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    Diesel 100%.
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    Hybrid.
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    If "most" of your miles are highway, then it would seem the Diesel is your answer.

    But, since they're both relatively close. . . It's probably time for a test drive to actually see/feel which one you like better.
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    hybrid if most of your driving is city driving

    diesel if its highway

    diesel if you care about the enviorment (those batteries are erally ****in toxic)
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    Jetta.. I've already made my decision on my next car, definitely going to be the Jetta.
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    Originally Posted by pantera02018 View Post
    diesel if you care about the enviorment (those batteries are erally ****in toxic)
    Except those batteries are fully contained and disposed of in one location - As opposed to exhaust which is spewed from the vehicle for its entire operational life. . .
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    If "most" of your miles are highway, then it would seem the Diesel is your answer.

    But, since they're both relatively close. . . It's probably time for a test drive to actually see/feel which one you like better.
    Diesels already have 100 years of proven reliability and economy. Now that we've cleaned them up, the choice should be easy.
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    I don't think he's ever driven a Jetta.... great handling and wonderful power for a little 4 banger. Above that, the MPG is amazing.
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    Jetta looks better, gets better gas mileage and is a diesel. The choice should be simple.
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    Originally Posted by KRANE View Post
    Diesels already have 100 years of proven reliability and economy. Now that we've cleaned them up, the choice should be easy.
    Actually, since he Edited his original post to clarify that most miles are City (where the mileage is nearly identical), I would still say comfort, construction, and options/equipment should be a consideration.

    After all, if mileage was absolutely the only concern, he'd just cram himself into an uncomfortable little econo-box and be on his way.

    Disclaimer: I have never driven either vehicle, and for all I know they'll both provide a great ride. But that's certainly something the OP should prove to himself before plopping down a pile of cash.
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    Originally Posted by QuicksandATL View Post
    Jetta looks better, gets better gas mileage and is a diesel. The choice should be simple.
    That was my point: a proven technology vs something that might be ok? And the car looks and handles better too! So unless there's other incentives to buying the hybrid, the choice is simple.

    One more thing, diesels are also very strong engines.
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    Diesel engine runs louder
    Not the new ones. The Jetta TDI is not loud like the diesel cars/trucks of the old days.
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    If you really don't care about the look or presentation of the car, and are just trying to save some money. Go for one of the old 92-95 honda civic hatchbacks. From what I hear those get an average of 35-40 MPG. In my area you can find a good conditioned/clean one for around 2000-3000.

    Another option you might want to throw into the hat as far as new cars go, is the Honda Fit. It's a really great versatile car, and as a non-hybrid it gets around 35/40 MPG (not exact numbers, city might be a bit less.)

    Can somebody enlighten me on this concern with Hybrids; do they have a high maintenance cost due to the technology involved?
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    Originally Posted by cullumania View Post
    If you really don't care about the look or presentation of the car, and are just trying to save some money. Go for one of the old 92-95 honda civic hatchbacks. From what I hear those get an average of 35-40 MPG. In my area you can find a good conditioned/clean one for around 2000-3000.

    Another option you might want to throw into the hat as far as new cars go, is the Honda Fit. It's a really great versatile car, and as a non-hybrid it gets around 35/40 MPG (not exact numbers, city might be a bit less.)

    Can somebody enlighten me on this concern with Hybrids; do they have a high maintenance cost due to the technology involved?
    I think it's a law you have to chop off your balls and carry a purse if you buy a Honda Fit.
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    Diesel might be better long term but look at the car brands. Honda vs VW. Aren't Jetta's supposed to be un-reliable? I'm not sure, just what I've heard......maybe it's the older ones though. Also, maintenance costs. German parts? More expensive?




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    hybrid

    Diesel engines may last long, but turbos are prone to fail. I would not use the reliability of a diesel as a strong point here.

    In fact, I would confirm the Honda warranty on the batteries.

    I heard that Toyota has put 10 years on their hybrid batteries. If the Honda batteries are only 3 year 36K miles, then get something else.
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    Originally Posted by PickItUp View Post
    hybrid

    Diesel engines may last long, but turbos are prone to fail. I would not use the reliability of a diesel as a strong point here.

    In fact, I would confirm the Honda warranty on the batteries.

    I heard that Toyota has put 10 years on their hybrid batteries. If the Honda batteries are only 3 year 36K miles, then get something else.
    i second that, or 4 cylinder the 4 is close to the hybrid on gas.
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    Originally Posted by PickItUp View Post
    hybrid

    Diesel engines may last long, but turbos are prone to fail. I would not use the reliability of a diesel as a strong point here.

    In fact, I would confirm the Honda warranty on the batteries.

    I heard that Toyota has put 10 years on their hybrid batteries. If the Honda batteries are only 3 year 36K miles, then get something else.
    True, however a turbo on a diesel Jetta is not going to be expensive at all to replace.
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    Originally Posted by QuicksandATL View Post
    True, however a turbo on a diesel Jetta is not going to be expensive at all to replace.
    Yeah plus if the OEM goes... you can replace it with a better and bigger aftermarket turbo
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    Originally Posted by QuicksandATL View Post
    True, however a turbo on a diesel Jetta is not going to be expensive at all to replace.
    How do you define "expensive"?
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    I cannot think of a more politically charged thread than deciding between a VW and a Honda.



    If it helps, Hondas require less maintenance than VWs, although you would have the ability for biodiesel conversion should that time come.
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    Originally Posted by US_Ranger View Post
    Diesel might be better long term but look at the car brands. Honda vs VW. Aren't Jetta's supposed to be un-reliable? I'm not sure, just what I've heard......maybe it's the older ones though. Also, maintenance costs. German parts? More expensive?




    I remember getting a little turbo Golf in Germany and driving to Italy though.....that thing was crazy fast.
    my friend had one for years and the only problem he had was the interior, little stuff started breaking after like 5 years, he had no problems with the engine or drive rain though.
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    I work at a Volkswagen dealership and the new diesels are going to be a huge hit.
    There are a bunch of reasons to forgo the hybrid fad (higher insurance rates b/c of the expensive batteries).

    I would definitely go with the diesel if I were you.
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    Originally Posted by xucardsfan08 View Post
    I work at a Volkswagen dealership and the new diesels are going to be a huge hit.
    There are a bunch of reasons to forgo the hybrid fad (higher insurance rates b/c of the expensive batteries).

    I would definitely go with the diesel if I were you.
    I was talking to a guy at a dealership and he was quoting me about 25 grand for the 09 Jetta TDI, which seemed a little high.

    So I called another dealership and asked them if they were getting any cheaper. They didn't know either but they explained to me why it was a little high - apparently they aren't sure if they are getting the Model SE or Model S. The SE was what was quoted to me and it's got all the bells and whistles, whereas the S would come in a little cheaper (like 22k, which is more inline with what I was thinking).

    At this point in my life, I'm hawling a 7-month kid around and "looking cool" and having extra soft plush leather seats and such isn't a priority.

    Do you have any idea on whether the S version will be available?

    Oh, and also, they said initially they weren't going to budge much off sticker price. How long should I wait to buy one if I want to have bargaining room? Sticker price? I won't pay that.

    Btw, you said "a lot" of reasons to forgo hybird but you only listed one. Got anymore?
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    Originally Posted by xucardsfan08 View Post
    I work at a Volkswagen dealership and the new diesels are going to be a huge hit.
    There are a bunch of reasons to forgo the hybrid fad (higher insurance rates b/c of the expensive batteries).
    I would definitely go with the diesel if I were you.
    First off, I'm not bashing Diesels, if that's what people want and they perform as everyone says.

    But. . . What's your basis for the other statements?

    "Fad"? Hybrids have been sold in the US for the past 8 years, and overseas for several years before that. And their record sales continue year after year. Not my definition of a "fad".

    Higher insurance rates? That's news to me and my premium. In fact, here's a quote from just one insurance company (you can find many others with a quick Google). . .
    "Our preliminary research indicates that hybrid owners tend to fall into the preferred insured category and lower risk drivers are rewarded with lower premiums,"
    http://www.leftlanenews.com/hybrid-o...nce-rates.html
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    I would just get the non-hybrid Civic with a 5 speed.

    Cheapest, proven reliable, still has great gas mileage.

    To hell with paying extra for the hybrid version just to replace the battery right after the warranty conveniently runs out!

    I went car shopping earlier this year and dealerships aren't letting their diesels(VW) or hybrids(any manufacturer) go for any kind of deal, demand is causing them to "add-on" more than they should in "dealer fees"(stealership fees more like it). Keep it simple and play it smart, paying $3000-$4000 more for a hybrid option isn't gonna save you money, it will take years just to break even, and paying even more for a diesel isn't gonna do you any good either.
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