PCT help. REPS.

[TeamInzer]

Hey guys,

I will be doing as much research as possible for my pct this time, but I would like some suggestions, and help building a good pct. All comments will be appreciated and I will rep everyone who can help me out. Thank you

I am currently on week 12 or 13 (not sure, need to look in my log) and I will be doing a total of 22 weeks. My nuts are small as **** right now so I know for a fact if I were to just quit taking my hormones with no pct I would have major problems...

Help me build something that will be more than sufficient. I have unlimited amounts of Arimidex, Nolva, clomid, and 15,000iu's of HCG.

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

Hey guys,

I will be doing as much research as possible for my pct this time, but I would like some suggestions, and help building a good pct. All comments will be appreciated and I will rep everyone who can help me out. Thank you

I am currently on week 12 or 13 (not sure, need to look in my log) and I will be doing a total of 22 weeks. My nuts are small as **** right now so I know for a fact if I were to just quit taking my hormones with no pct I would have major problems...

Help me build something that will be more than sufficient. I have unlimited amounts of Arimidex, Nolva, clomid, and 15,000iu's of HCG.

well bro, we need to know your cycle haha

[cockmcocks]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

Hey guys,

I will be doing as much research as possible for my pct this time, but I would like some suggestions, and help building a good pct. All comments will be appreciated and I will rep everyone who can help me out. Thank you

I am currently on week 12 or 13 (not sure, need to look in my log) and I will be doing a total of 22 weeks. My nuts are small as **** right now so I know for a fact if I were to just quit taking my hormones with no pct I would have major problems...

Help me build something that will be more than sufficient. I have unlimited amounts of Arimidex, Nolva, clomid, and 15,000iu's of HCG.

if you have not start any HCG now, i'll suggest you do so now at 500IU/wk all the way till the 22nd wk.

i'll assume you're on long esters looking at the cycle length, i'll use the HCG all the way up to the day before you start your actual PCT.

PCT will consist of nolva(6wks) and clomid(4wks)

Nolva: 60/40/40/20/20/20
Clomid: 150/100/50/50

a detailed cycle with doses and substances will be better for us to help you like wat DK716 pointed out.

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by cockmcocks

if you have not start any HCG now, i'll suggest you do so now at 500IU/wk all the way till the 22nd wk.

i'll assume you're on long esters looking at the cycle length, i'll use the HCG all the way up to the day before you start your actual PCT.

PCT will consist of nolva(6wks) and clomid(4wks)

Nolva: 60/40/40/20/20/20
Clomid: 150/100/50/50

a detailed cycle with doses and substances will be better for us to help you like wat DK716 pointed out.

never seen nolva dosed at 60 before.

but yah, basically need your cycle before we can help

[LiftH4rd]

Originally Posted by cockmcocks

if you have not start any HCG now, i'll suggest you do so now at 500IU/wk all the way till the 22nd wk.

Nolva: 60/40/40/20/20/20
Clomid: 150/100/50/50

a detailed cycle with doses and substances will be better for us to help you like wat DK716 pointed out.

^ thats what I would do.

22 weeks... I thought my 16 weeks were long. :/

edit: havn't seen the nolva ran that high. I am personally going with 50mgs. So thats is what I would recommend.

Also your going to see HCG suggested probably a couple of different ways. Everyone has there preferences, but best advice I can give is go with what your feel like you'll need. ;]

[nosnmvieins]

HCG 500iu/week last 6 weeks right up until PCT then Nolva 40/20/20/20/20, CLomid 150/100/50

[cockmcocks]

Originally Posted by LiftH4rd

^ thats what I would do.

22 weeks... I thought my 16 weeks were long. :/

edit: havn't seen the nolva ran that high. I am personally going with 50mgs. So thats is what I would recommend.

Also your going to see HCG suggested probably a couple of different ways. Everyone has there preferences, but best advice I can give is go with what your feel like you'll need. ;]

x2.

some guys will only run HCG during PCT say 1000-1500IUs every 5days during PCT together with nolva clomid.

for nolva, i'll still go for 6wks due to the length of cycle he is doing.

just my 0.02cents

[TeamInzer]

So HCG is before PCT? Didn't know that and which is optimal sub-q or intra?

Thanks for all the input so far, if i missed you for reps let me know

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

So HCG is before PCT? Didn't know that and which is optimal sub-q or intra?

Thanks for all the input so far, if i missed you for reps let me know

still need cycle b4 we can give you any real advice

[Emmortal]

Originally Posted by cockmcocks

if you have not start any HCG now, i'll suggest you do so now at 500IU/wk all the way till the 22nd wk.

i'll assume you're on long esters looking at the cycle length, i'll use the HCG all the way up to the day before you start your actual PCT.

PCT will consist of nolva(6wks) and clomid(4wks)

Nolva: 60/40/40/20/20/20
Clomid: 150/100/50/50

a detailed cycle with doses and substances will be better for us to help you like wat DK716 pointed out.

Peak serum levels of HCG are at 72 hours, so doing 500ius 1x a week is inadequate dosing. You should run it at 500ius E3D or 2x a week is sufficient. I don't see a need to run Nolva at all really, I'd run Aromasin for 6 weeks instead. The clomid dosing is way too high IMO. There are studies shown that a dosing as little as 25mgs ED for 3 weeks get test levels into the 600 range, really anywhere from 25-100mgs is sufficient. But some guys get bad sides dosing that high.

[N4cer]

Originally Posted by Dk716

still need cycle b4 we can give you any real advice

I'm calling you out on this. I think there are 2 possibilities here:

1 - you don't know what the purpose of PCT is.
or
2 - you know some new way to serve that purpose besides the way that is already proven.

Why does it matter? You treat it the same way as far as I can tell. Can you elaborate on why you think it would matter what his compounds were?

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I'm calling you out on this. I think there are 2 possibilities here:

1 - you don't know what the purpose of PCT is.
or
2 - you know some new way to serve that purpose besides the way that is already proven.

Why does it matter? You treat it the same way as far as I can tell. Can you elaborate on why you think it would matter what his compounds were?

well obviously it doesnt matter to much.

but say hes running a test only cycle.

Compared to Test/Tren/Deca/Dbol high dosed scary off the wall.

like i said it doesnt really matter to much, but the pct doesnt have to be as extreme if its Test only

Like at test only all i would run is nolva, no HCG or clomid. but if i added in deca or something id run HCG with it.

ya know? like it doesnt matter to much because he has an unlimited supply of all of it, but just throwin it out.

[LiftH4rd]

Originally Posted by Dk716

well obviously it doesnt matter to much.

but say hes running a test only cycle.

Compared to Test/Tren/Deca/Dbol high dosed scary off the wall.

like i said it doesnt really matter to much, but the pct doesnt have to be as extreme if its Test only

Like at test only all i would run is nolva, no HCG or clomid. but if i added in deca or something id run HCG with it.

ya know? like it doesnt matter to much because he has an unlimited supply of all of it, but just throwin it out.

Very good point. Knowing his cycle will give us a better understanding to what he'll need to run, or should run.

[N4cer]

Originally Posted by Dk716

well obviously it doesnt matter to much.

but say hes running a test only cycle.

Compared to Test/Tren/Deca/Dbol high dosed scary off the wall.

like i said it doesnt really matter to much, but the pct doesnt have to be as extreme if its Test only

Like at test only all i would run is nolva, no HCG or clomid. but if i added in deca or something id run HCG with it.

ya know? like it doesnt matter to much because he has an unlimited supply of all of it, but just throwin it out.

I see, but honestly you should run EVERY PCT like it was the most suppressive cycle ever. You want to upregulate HPTA function as rapidly as possible anyway, you see? And as for HCG... if you ran a test cycle long enough to have testicular atrophy, you should use it since that's what HCG does: reverses atrophy. Atrophy is just the result of prolonged or severe (or both) suppression. It's possible from any cycle, so it's up to each of us to determine if we are experiencing atrophy. But if there's any question, then you might as well hit a low dose of HCG.

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I see, but honestly you should run EVERY PCT like it was the most suppressive cycle ever. You want to upregulate HPTA function as rapidly as possible anyway, you see? And as for HCG... if you ran a test cycle long enough to have testicular atrophy, you should use it since that's what HCG does: reverses atrophy. Atrophy is just the result of prolonged or severe (or both) suppression. It's possible from any cycle, so it's up to each of us to determine if we are experiencing atrophy. But if there's any question, then you might as well hit a low dose of HCG.

also part of me wanted to know what a 22 week cycle contained haha.

but ya, if he has the HCG already at an unlimited supply, no point in not using it.

[N4cer]

Thanks man. Just making sure I hadn't missed something. I see people saying they wanna know what the cycle was, but in fact the goal is the same and the actions needed to meet that goal are the same. The only things that change are dosage and duration.

[LiftH4rd]

Originally Posted by Dk716

also part of me wanted to know what a 22 week cycle contained haha.

but ya, if he has the HCG already at an unlimited supply, no point in not using it.

I wish i had access to unlitmited supplies!

[TeamInzer]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I'm calling you out on this. I think there are 2 possibilities here:

1 - you don't know what the purpose of PCT is.
or
2 - you know some new way to serve that purpose besides the way that is already proven.

Why does it matter? You treat it the same way as far as I can tell. Can you elaborate on why you think it would matter what his compounds were?

This is what I was thinking!

[TeamInzer]

unlimited supply but only 15,000iu's of the hcg guys

[Dk716]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

unlimited supply but only 15,000iu's of the hcg guys

you have enough for the rest of the cycle then

[kdog777]

Have you considered torem, Its suppose to be pretty awsome. Its like nolvadex but it also stimulates test production like clomid, but without all the emo sides.

Im gonna try it out for the first time for this cycle. Torem and HCG.

[N4cer]

Originally Posted by kdog777

Its like nolvadex but it also stimulates test production like clomid, but without all the emo sides.

"Also"? You don't think that tamoxifen stimulates test production?

[kdog777]

Originally Posted by N4cer

"Also"? You don't think that tamoxifen stimulates test production?

I read some were that. Clomid did something extra to stimulate test. Were nolva just blocks estrogen. Which results in your body making test.

The way it was explained was nolva just helps you recover on your own. While clomid and torem actually have something in it that stimulates test production. As well as block estrogen.

This is a very elementary explanation. I am still a novice myself.

[cockmcocks]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I see, but honestly you should run EVERY PCT like it was the most suppressive cycle ever. You want to upregulate HPTA function as rapidly as possible anyway, you see? And as for HCG... if you ran a test cycle long enough to have testicular atrophy, you should use it since that's what HCG does: reverses atrophy. Atrophy is just the result of prolonged or severe (or both) suppression. It's possible from any cycle, so it's up to each of us to determine if we are experiencing atrophy. But if there's any question, then you might as well hit a low dose of HCG.

i meant 500IUs a wk. but split into 2 shots. sorry for not making it clear, my bad

As we see, the thread starter didnt put in HCG early into his cycle, thats why i suggested he to run it now since he have noticed shrinkage.
im stating from my past experience regarding the clomid, recovered well with the dosage i've suggested.

[N4cer]

Originally Posted by kdog777

I read some were that. Clomid did something extra to stimulate test. Were nolva just blocks estrogen. Which results in your body making test.

The way it was explained was nolva just helps you recover on your own. While clomid and torem actually have something in it that stimulates test production. As well as block estrogen.

This is a very elementary explanation. I am still a novice myself.

You read some bad info. They all work in the same way, just some stronger than others. It's all direct binding to the hypothalamus.

[TeamInzer]

can i just take 5,000iu's of hcg for three weeks? i'm just wondering how to do this bc it's in a ampule???

after i mix it should i put it into a vial or take all 5,000iu's

[LayinLo]

Originally Posted by TeamInzer

can i just take 5,000iu's of hcg for three weeks? i'm just wondering how to do this bc it's in a ampule???

after i mix it should i put it into a vial or take all 5,000iu's

Yes HCG is recommended to be run for 3 weeks and ending at the same time that your esters run out in the body (18 days for cyp, 21 for enth, etc.) anyways......


put it in a vial and keep it refridgerated! Do not take all 5000iu's as you can possibly permanently damage your leydig cells. You should be fine running 500iu eod or e3d for 1500iu per week. Might wanna use the nolva at a dose of 20 mgs with the hcg if you feel itchy, puffy nips. If not start the nolva AND clomid after your cycle going at least 40 mgs of nolva daily (i would do 60 mgs/day for week 1, 40mgs/day week 2, 20mmgs/day week 3 and 4) and clom 200-300mgs first day, 150mgs rest of the week, then 100mgs next week then 50 mgs daily for the last 2 weeks.

hope this helps, pm me if you need more info.

[Emmortal]

Originally Posted by LayinLo

) and clom 200-300mgs first day, 150mgs rest of the week, then 100mgs next week then 50 mgs daily for the last 2 weeks.

hope this helps, pm me if you need more info.

What's the logic in the dose of 300mgs of clomid the first day and 150 for the rest of the week?

[Mike_Hock]

Originally Posted by N4cer

I'm calling you out on this. I think there are 2 possibilities here:

1 - you don't know what the purpose of PCT is.
or
2 - you know some new way to serve that purpose besides the way that is already proven.

Why does it matter? You treat it the same way as far as I can tell. Can you elaborate on why you think it would matter what his compounds were?

he also doesnt know what week he is on?

surely if you had done the research, you would have had all the gear BEFORE you started?

[N4cer]

Originally Posted by Emmortal

What's the logic in the dose of 300mgs of clomid the first day and 150 for the rest of the week?

The 300mg is bolus dosing. Common practice.
The 150 is to hit it hard right off the bat then taper off.