How long before atheists oppress believers?

[Beatitude]

As the atheist agenda continues to mount, how much time does everybody guess we have before they kidnap religious people's children, legally, and bar religion altogether on grounds of abuse and fraud? There are popular figurehead's in the atheist movement, such as Dawkins, that have been discussing religion as child abuse, and it's being well received by those in his circle. Right now such a government would be undreamed of in any western country, but overtime, do you think things will change?

A second question directed to believers of whatever faith. If this did happen and they came to steal your children from you, would you flea? Would you stay? What would you do?

[maxamilion]

More likely to see the pope brake dancing.

I See YOU!!!.

[PumpAndGrow]

not gonna happen. TOOO many

[Enso]

No. I don't think that will ever happen. What I do believe will happen though is that religion will become more and more secular and fundamentalism will die (albeit it will be a slow, painful death that will leave a permanent scar on religion)

[Rune]

I love how you all ham it up, attempt to make us sound like Nazi's who are going to slaughter you and take your children. This is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen on here for a while. I have come to accept this kind of stupidity from someone like nonAtlas, but you always seemed to be a little more resonable.. guess not.

Now I'm going to go burn some Churches and kill some kittens.

[Thinman]

No. I don't think that will ever happen. What I do believe will happen though is that religion will become more and more secular and fundamentalism will die (albeit it will be a slow, painful death that will leave a permanent scar on religion)

If fundamentalism would die, that would be the best thing that could happen to religion. Radical religion is a much bigger threat than atheism.

[1veedo]

In countries that are already predominantly atheist you don't see much oppression towards believers.

[Beatitude]

I love how you all ham it up, attempt to make us sound like Nazi's who are going to slaughter you and take your children. This is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen on here for a while. I have come to accept this kind of stupidity from someone like nonAtlas, but you always seemed to be a little more resonable.. guess not.

Now I'm going to go burn some Churches and kill some kittens.

What's so unfair about the question? In another thread most atheists are calling raising children with religion to be child abuse, so isn't it possible that these same people would consider it their civil duty to take them away?

It's undreamed of now, which is why the question might seem so silly to you, but this could always change in the future. Consider how much has changed since 1800, then since 1900, then since 2000. What will life be like in 2100... 2200? 2400?

[Thinman]

In countries that are already predominantly atheist you don't see much oppression towards believers.

That certainly can't be said in countries that are predominantly one religion. The Middle East comes to mind.

[Wooderson316]

I love how you all ham it up, attempt to make us sound like Nazi's who are going to slaughter you and take your children. This is by far one of the most ridiculous threads I've seen on here for a while. I have come to accept this kind of stupidity from someone like nonAtlas, but you always seemed to be a little more resonable.. guess not.

I'd also expect it out of TakeMeHigher... but yea Bea, I'm surprised it's come from you.

As a Libertarian, I hope it never happens. As an atheist, I hope it never happens.

[1veedo]

What's so unfair about the question? In another thread most atheists are calling raising children with religion to be child abuse, so isn't it possible that these same people would consider it their duty to take them away?

It's undreamed of now, but this could always change in the future.

It's not happening in places like Japan so I don't see how that would happen in the US, especially with this piece of paper known as the constitution. Of course if we keep electing people like Bush in the future the constitution won't matter.

[user89489489438943]

[HoosierBoy]

Huh? It's been happening for the last century. Read any recent Establishment Clause Supreme Court decision.

[user89489489438943]

What's so unfair about the question? In another thread most atheists are calling raising children with religion to be child abuse

That's because it is, smartass.

If we don't do something about this ****, our planet will be living in the ****ing stone age like it is right now. Despite all the facts and evidences we have shown to idiots, they are still in denial and believe there's such thing as a god. How ****ing pathetic.

If we want to progress in life, the first step is to ban false claims, aka, religion.

Every generation is being brainwashed with religious bull**** that isn't true and it's ****ing us over, badly.

Just look at you; the perfect example.

[Beatitude]

That's because it is, smartass.

If we don't do something about this ****, our planet will be living in the ****ing stone age like it is right now. Despite all the facts and evidences we have shown to idiots, they are still in denial and believe there's such thing as a god. How ****ing pathetic.

If we want to progress in life, the first step is to ban false claims, aka, ban religion.

Every generation is brainwashing their kids with religious bull**** that isn't true and it's ****ing us over, badly.

Thank you for the example.

As this ^^, becomes more popular, don't you think it's possible that eventually a highly atheistic country would bar religion outright and steal children (for their good)? It's all about popular opinion; that can do a lot to change a government. Interests groups are very powerful.

[user89489489438943]

Thank you for the example.

As this ^^, becomes more popular, don't you think it's possible that eventually a highly atheistic country would bar religion outright and steal children (for their good)? It's all about popular opinion; that can do a lot to change a government. Interests groups are very powerful.

"A highly atheistic country..."

The whole planet should be atheist.

But, it's good some people aren't, at least we can make fun of someone.

EDIT:

But hey!

I don't mind having people who still believe in fairy tales.

I'm not the one getting ****ed.

[Gabriel Anton]

Most people will always have the need for a religion , so I think its not going to happen.

Even in the USSR after Stalin people were rarely persecuted or harassed for religious belief.

[mug]

That's because it is, smartass.

If we don't do something about this ****, our planet will be living in the ****ing stone age like it is right now. Despite all the facts and evidences we have shown to idiots, they are still in denial and believe there's such thing as a god. How ****ing pathetic.

If we want to progress in life, the first step is to ban false claims, aka, religion.

Every generation is being brainwashed with religious bull**** that isn't true and it's ****ing us over, badly.

Just look at you; the perfect example.

Say what you really feel

[chump2champ]

As the atheist agenda continues to mount, how much time does everybody guess we have before they kidnap religious people's children, legally, and bar religion altogether on grounds of abuse and fraud? There are popular figurehead's in the atheist movement, such as Dawkins, that have been discussing religion as child abuse, and it's being well received by those in his circle. Right now such a government would be undreamed of in any western country, but overtime, do you think things will change?

I don't see that sort of Orwellian situation happening, and certainly wouldn't want it to happen. From what I've seen, it wouldn't be necessary either. Just looking at today's youth vs. 10 years ago vs. 20 years ago (yes, old fart) in general there's a very obvious trend for young people to be more accepting of atheism as it slowly becomes less stigmatized, and the youngsters who are theists today may tend to be less devout (more of the kind who just go to church because they have to rather than genuinely believing and adhering to their religion). Dawkins, Harris, and the like have pointed out that religion should be just as open to criticism as political and social views, which has sped things up. Many of my friends from back in the day have dropped religion, and are not teaching it to their kids; I can't think of one who has done the opposite.

[ElderJefferson]

As the atheist agenda continues to mount, how much time does everybody guess we have before they kidnap religious people's children, legally, and bar religion altogether on grounds of abuse and fraud? There are popular figurehead's in the atheist movement, such as Dawkins, that have been discussing religion as child abuse, and it's being well received by those in his circle. Right now such a government would be undreamed of in any western country, but overtime, do you think things will change?

A second question directed to believers of whatever faith. If this did happen and they came to steal your children from you, would you flea? Would you stay? What would you do?

The Bible actually paints an opposite picture in these last days - one where the true worshippers of Christ will be persecuted for their faith BY THE RELIGIOUS. Rather than atheists oppressing the world, the Bible speaks of religious enforcement of worship upon all.

To your second question, if armed men would come for my children, then I'd be a dead man, because they'd have to kill me in order to get to them.

[Rune]

Thank you for the example.

As this ^^, becomes more popular, don't you think it's possible that eventually a highly atheistic country would bar religion outright and steal children (for their good)? It's all about popular opinion; that can do a lot to change a government. Interests groups are very powerful.

For starters I can name instances where Christians have taken children from their respective parents (both here and in Australia) to "educate" (read christianize) them. Just thought I should point that out to start with.

Second, don't for a minute think that the stance of a few radical morons like Inho speak for all. I don't think Muslims are Terrorists(although some are..), I don't think all Christians are stupid Westboro types (again.. even though some are). You have extremeists in every camp, and they always seem to be louder than the more resonable people for some reason.

[b.spencer]

As the atheist agenda continues to mount, how much time does everybody guess we have before they kidnap religious people's children, legally, and bar religion altogether on grounds of abuse and fraud? There are popular figurehead's in the atheist movement, such as Dawkins, that have been discussing religion as child abuse, and it's being well received by those in his circle. Right now such a government would be undreamed of in any western country, but overtime, do you think things will change?

A second question directed to believers of whatever faith. If this did happen and they came to steal your children from you, would you flea? Would you stay? What would you do?

Sounds like a massive knee-jerk reaction based solely out of fear of change. Christians see the world around them changing, and are just getting a taste of what us "non-Christians" have been facing for decades. Christians assume that athiests/agnostics will do to them what they have done (and continue) to try to do to us, force us by means of law to convert to their ways of life. Since they assume we are evil, we will do what "evil" does.

Fortunately, we are not so barbaric. We try to convince by force of ideas and evidence, not coercion, laws, torture, or the stake. We understand that it is impossible to ban ideas, even a bad ones like particular religions, by force of government edict. Ideas only die with time and patience. I am willing to wait.

But, I am not willing to allow Christians to force their religion on me through force of law anymore. I am no willing to live a Christian life by government edict. I will fight for my right to do as I wish, and for yours -- outside of the public policy sphere. Should individuals or groups who use "god" to defraud be prosecuted? Absolutely they should, and they will. Christians have not been beyond such tactics, even in the US as late as the early 20th century.

We are finally emerging into a post-evangelical Christian world after the better part of two centuries. The evangelicals will fight the swing of the pendulum back toward liberal theology. But, they will lose, as has happened in the past. Will religion die along with evangelicalism? No, but in time, it will morph into something less totalitarian than it currently is.

[ElderJefferson]

Fortunately, we are not so barbaric.

History proves otherwise

[AdonisSMU]

For starters I can name instances where Christians have taken children from their respective parents (both here and in Australia) to "educate" (read christianize) them. Just thought I should point that out to start with.

Second, don't for a minute think that the stance of a few radical morons like Inho speak for all. I don't think Muslims are Terrorists(although some are..), I don't think all Christians are stupid Westboro types (again.. even though some are). You have extremeists in every camp, and they always seem to be louder than the more resonable people for some reason.

One possible answer:
The reason extremists get all of the attention is because the media wants the spectacle to get attention. So it's not really a matter of them being the loudest. It's probably the media giving extremists the most attention so they can get ratings.

[Rambo26]

I can imagine examples of small scale oppression (I now realise that I use the word too loosely lol*), such as banning religion from private schooling or coming after vocal individuals with hate speech laws

[b.spencer]

History proves otherwise

How so? When had there ever been a truly secular atheist/agnostic government on this planet?

20th Century Communism, most religionist would say. We all know the barbarism of Stalin. But, Marxist-Leninism -- or better yet Stalinism -- was never an atheistic government system. I would argue that it was as devoid of religion as the government in Vatican city is. Despite its professions, all it ever was a repressive totalitarian regime, that replaced the Christian God with a human dictator and a massive government structure as God. Both systems are just a religious, and neither is acceptable.

[Rune]

One possible answer:
The reason extremists get all of the attention is because the media wants the spectacle to get attention. So it's not really a matter of them being the loudest. It's probably the media giving extremists the most attention so they can get ratings.

I definitely think that's the case in the News media. But even on these boards, I don't think there is anybody who's not aware of nonAtlas, JAGERBOY, etc. who tend to be a lot more adamate and vocal about their positions, than the moderates here.

[vtaperson]

never. We have nothing to fear or hide from, as atheism requires merely deductive reasoning based in scientific modules/theory. No faith need be involved.

[hugeness]

Christian believers are already under attack for their beliefs. Look up the SPLC,ADL, ACLU. They hate anything to do with Christianity and are trying their best to silence Christians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnTz2ylJo_8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8UbFGUXiSE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97koZ7nwfOo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ptik-powb8


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqiveYLHCXU

[ElderJefferson]

How so? When had there ever been a truly secular atheist/agnostic government on this planet?

20th Century Communism, most religionist would say. We all know the barbarism of Stalin. But, Marxist-Leninism -- or better yet Stalinism -- was never an atheistic government system. I would argue that it was as devoid of religion as the government in Vatican city is. Despite its professions, all it ever was a repressive totalitarian regime, that replaced the Christian God with a human dictator and a massive government structure as God. Both systems are just a religious, and neither is acceptable.

You chose a pretty good one, not to mention Nazi Germany during WWII. Many of the world's attorcities have come at the dictate of some unbelieving, power-hungry tyrant (which is the only true outcome of anyone who believes that life serves no real purpose). Ironically enough, however, one of (if not the) greatest periods of persecution occurred during the dark ages under Roman Catholic rule/persuasion. Their actions are not backed by the Bible, mind you, and this same persecution is prophecied to occur again in the future (near future, if you ask me).