Waxy Maize Starch

[SupaFly78]

Is waxy maize starch equally, less, or more effective then oats post workout? I just bought Glyco-Maize by ON and plan on mixing 2 scoops of it with 1 scoop of NitroCore 24 by ON for a post workout shake.

[Elliptical Envy]

The **** is just carbs....it isn't magic or anything.

[heyits82]

wms isbetter pwo you need a quick acting carb and oats are slower.

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by heyits82

wms isbetter pwo you need a quick acting carb and oats are slower.

You are posting teh bull****.

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

You are posting teh bull****.

hows it bull****?

[SupaFly78]

The reason why I chose WMS instead of Oats is because for one you don't have to grind it up, and two it passes through the stomach much faster than Oats so you don't stay full for as long and I can eat my post workout meal sooner rather than later.

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by heyits82

hows it bull****?

I bet you will say "you need the insulin spike post-workout to feed the muscles" and all that jazz.

WMS is just a carb source just like dextrose, maltodextrin, oats, or even potatoes. It won't make an ounce of difference if you use powdered or whole food carbohydrate sources if the person consumes a proper pre-workout meal in the first place.

Originally Posted by SupaFly78

The reason why I chose WMS instead of Oats is because for one you don't have to grind it up, and two it passes through the stomach much faster than Oats so you don't stay full for as long and I can eat my post workout meal sooner rather than later.

That is one of the advantages that I have heard regarding WMS. If it works for you then that's cool, but if someone didn't have the same problem with being full after consuming oats then there would be no advantage to using WMS.

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

I bet you will say "you need the insulin spike post-workout to feed the muscles" and all that jazz.

WMS is just a carb source just like dextrose, maltodextrin, oats, or even potatoes. It won't make an ounce of difference if you use powdered or whole food carbohydrate sources if the person consumes a proper pre-workout meal in the first place.



That is one of the advantages that I have heard regarding WMS. If it works for you then that's cool, but if someone didn't have the same problem with being full after consuming oats then there would be no advantage to using WMS.

alright different strokes for different folks i guess.... alot of people beleive many different things here.

[Phosphate bond]

It is just empty calories like any other refined carb. Maybe blend it with some other things so its not so empty in the nutrition department.

The thing about whole food is that is at least has minerals and electrolytes. These things get affected by insulin too.

(The idea about waxy maize absorbing water is nice in theory though)

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by heyits82

alright different strokes for different folks i guess.... alot of people beleive many different things here.

More than likely you believe what you do because it is accepted by "bodybuilders".

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

More than likely you believe what you do because it is accepted by "bodybuilders".

i actually use my own experiences.

[SupaFly78]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

More than likely you believe what you do because it is accepted by "bodybuilders".

Originally Posted by heyits82

i actually use my own experiences.

Alright you two....can we stop arguing and get back to the topic

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by heyits82

i actually use my own experiences.

So you just all of a sudden started using WMS based on your own experiences? You didn't buy it because people were making it seem like the second coming of Jesus?

Where did you get the idea that you need a quick acting carb post-workout? You didn't read that or have someone tell you that, but you are basing it off your own experiences?

[alopez17]

Originally Posted by SupaFly78

The reason why I chose WMS instead of Oats is because for one you don't have to grind it up, and two it passes through the stomach much faster than Oats so you don't stay full for as long and I can eat my post workout meal sooner rather than later.

I use both. One scoop of WMS and 1/4 cup of oats. But I don't bother with grinding. Just throw em down and chase with my shake.

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

So you just all of a sudden started using WMS based on your own experiences? You didn't buy it because people were making it seem like the second coming of Jesus?

Where did you get the idea that you need a quick acting carb post-workout? You didn't read that or have someone tell you that, but you are basing it off your own experiences?

ok well i started using it somewhat recently becuase of the reviews i seen on it and i like it so i will continue its use. you don't have to be offended and bash me becuase i liked the product. may i ask if you ever tried wms? if not i don't see why you should bash it.

and to the op i would recomend it but as you can see different people like different things.

[SupaFly78]

Originally Posted by alopez17

I use both. One scoop of WMS and 1/4 cup of oats. But I don't bother with grinding. Just throw em down and chase with my shake.

I just checked your profile, holy christ are you using all of those supplements at once?!?!?

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by SupaFly78

Alright you two....can we stop arguing and get back to the topic

i'll admit the arguing is pointless neither of us will change beleifs. but the argument is the basis of your question

[alopez17]

Originally Posted by SupaFly78

I just checked your profile, holy christ are you using all of those supplements at once???

Lol. No I like variety. Just different combos every couple of weeks.

[Elliptical Envy]

Originally Posted by heyits82

ok well i started using it somewhat recently becuase of the reviews i seen on it and i like it so i will continue its use. you don't have to be offended and bash me becuase i liked the product. may i ask if you ever tried wms? if not i don't see why you should bash it.

and to the op i would recomend it but as you can see different people like different things.

I never knew that questioning someone is considered bashing them

I've used WMS so does that mean I can continue to "bash" you?

[heyits82]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

You are posting teh bull****.

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

I bet you will say "you need the insulin spike post-workout to feed the muscles" and all that jazz.

.

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

More than likely you believe what you do because it is accepted by "bodybuilders".

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

I never knew that questioning someone is considered bashing them

I've used WMS so does that mean I can continue to "bash" you?

i considered that bashing but alright. if you didn't like it then oh well thats your oppinion. mines different oh well. everyone reacts different to supps. And i was just saying to the op how i reacted and how i liked it.

[Drudge]

I prefer WMS because theres less bloat then dex. or malt. WMS is cheap and helps me get my 300g.-400g. carbs without eating soooo much more food, just simplicity and convenience.

[ALWAYZGROWING]

Originally Posted by Elliptical Envy

More than likely you believe what you do because it is accepted by "bodybuilders".

Who pissed in your cheerios? People are on here to learn by reading and asking questions, they don't need "know it alls" like you busting their balls for asking relevant questions.

[ianfkirby]

Research has shown WMS to perform not so well compared to Dex/Malt for speed of digestion and Insulin spike, if that's what you want.

Serch for David Barrs article on WMS for all the facts.

Even if WMS did what it says it should, IMO you should avoid ever spiking insulin and forget all that fast absorbing super recovery crap. A lot of really smart and well educated guys on here with degrees in this stuff will tell you a spike isn't necessary to blunt cortisol or "shuttle nutrients." Whey protein will provide sufficient insulin release in and of itself to blunt cortisol release.

And if you are taking it to speed restoration o glycogen stores, there are 2 important points to bear in mind:

1.Why do you need to do it so fast? You don't, unless you have trained to complete depletion of glycogen and are in a fasted state, this only occurs after 90 min of continuous excercise and isn't really a consideration in bodybuilding, only endurance sports.

2. Even if you did need to refill glycogen rapidly (which you don't), WMS has been proven slower than Dex/Malt.

Powdered carbs have 0 micronutrients, oats are king in my Post WO realm.

Milk, oats, whey, repeat.

Having said that, if I try Oats for my first thing in the morning HIIT, I WILL puke. So, I do 1 cup milk, 1 whey and 1 scoop of WMS just to get the carbs in me to fuel my workout without feeling so bloated and full I have to wait an hour to work out or risk vomiting.

Also, my pre WO meals are always spot on and timed perfectly (I eat and it takes me just about an hour to get to the gym), but I was using WMS (only 15G) just before my WO w my creatine, Eaa/Bcaa and white flood because I bought into the idea of it pulling those nutrients through quicker and more effectively.

I now will just go with a small piece of fruit boost just prior to my WO w my supps. and I will probably go with a water/whey/banana for my early AM cardio.

my two cents.

[ianfkirby]

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/waxy...tarch_myth.htm

I encourage everyone to read this because it makes a lot of sense and pretty much details why WMS is not what we thought and why even the Vitargo studies are completely irrelevant to our disucssion.

[sl4vik]

Originally Posted by ianfkirby

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/waxy...tarch_myth.htm

I encourage everyone to read this because it makes a lot of sense and pretty much details why WMS is not what we thought and why even the Vitargo studies are completely irrelevant to our disucssion.

He doesn't mention that WMS = less bloat, less gassy, and is has lower GI than malto.

Taking huge amounts of maltodextrin and dextrose makes me feel like ****. Taking WMS doesn't effect my stomach and is quickly passed, therefore, I don't care what that articles says after that.

[ianfkirby]

Originally Posted by sl4vik

He doesn't mention that WMS = less bloat, less gassy, and is has lower GI than malto.

Taking huge amounts of maltodextrin and dextrose makes me feel like ****. Taking WMS doesn't effect my stomach and is quickly passed, therefore, I don't care what that articles says after that.

Fair enough and I agree about the bloat, but excluding malt/dex are you essentially saying there is no other source of CHO (either high or low GI) that doesn't make you bloat? Because essentially, ANYTHING you can stomach would be better than a zero-micronutrient, processed empty powdered CHO source, WMS, dex. malt or otherwise.

[sl4vik]

Originally Posted by ianfkirby

Fair enough and I agree about the bloat, but excluding malt/dex are you essentially saying there is no other source of CHO (either high or low GI) that doesn't make you bloat? Because essentially, ANYTHING you can stomach would be better than a zero-micronutrient, processed empty powdered CHO source, WMS, dex. malt or otherwise.

What do you mean by zero-micronutrient? A calorie is a calorie, it is a lot easier for me to get my carbs in with a scoop or 2 of WMS rather than bake a potatoe or cook some pasta post workout.

Especially since WMS is dirt cheap, like 70 servings for 15 bucks.

[nano.ix]

this thread fails
you all fail for taking WMS, Dex, Mal or any other stupid products like this to utilize the anabolic trap door with high GI ass-candy for muscle maximization

[svillasenor]

Originally Posted by sl4vik

What do you mean by zero-micronutrient? A calorie is a calorie, it is a lot easier for me to get my carbs in with a scoop or 2 of WMS rather than bake a potatoe or cook some pasta post workout.

Especially since WMS is dirt cheap, like 70 servings for 15 bucks.

i think he was implying the other things found in food like vitamins, antioxidants, ect.

[sl4vik]

Originally Posted by nano.ix

this thread fails
you all fail for taking WMS, Dex, Mal or any other stupid products like this to utilize the anabolic trap door with high GI ass-candy for muscle maximization

Go on...explain what you do and why.