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    How does running in the morning on a empty stomach benefit you?

    I always see people saying i run in the morning on a empty stomach. What does that even do and how is that helping you? How do you even have the energy to run in the morning with no food in you first of all LOL? Because im going to be getting a treadmill soon and im thinking about trying it, as im starting a cut soon, thanks!!!
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    Because you burn muscle. Very beneficial.
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    Lots of lost muscle. A very good benefit. You should definitely hit that up.
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    Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Lots of lost muscle. A very good benefit. You should definitely hit that up.
    Thanks bro LOL. Damn its either a hit or miss thing i guess. Its what you believe really. Im thinkin the same thing you guys are, loss in muscle LOL. Can anyone back this up please?
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    It's good for the everyday person who wants to lose fat. Boxers do it to make sure they 'make the weight'. However, with some exceptions, you never see a massively built boxer. I tried running more often, in order to increase my general fitness. It did, but i also lost three pounds, which I didn't like. I'm not advanced enough to be bulking and cutting, I'm just trying to get stronger, maybe put on 7lbs (half a stone)
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    It helps with fat loss because after the night of no food, the body has no source of energy left to burn other than fat reserves. This will also burn into some muscle mass, but is the best time to run if you are looking to lose weight.
    If you eat first or do it later in the day, the run will consist mostly of you burning off that excess carbs you ate.
    Also, running before will increase your metabolism, reducing the amount of excess carbohydrates left in the system that can be converted into fat.
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    its not going to burn muscle, its will burn every bit of protein u have left first.

    You need sum form of carbs to burn fat anyways
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    Originally Posted by Fringe! View Post
    It helps with fat loss because after the night of no food, the body has no source of energy left to burn other than fat reserves. This will also burn into some muscle mass, but is the best time to run if you are looking to lose weight.
    If you eat first or do it later in the day, the run will consist mostly of you burning off that excess carbs you ate.
    Also, running before will increase your metabolism, reducing the amount of excess carbohydrates left in the system that can be converted into fat.
    Damn, really? Well im looking to cut like 35-40 poumds, you think i should give it a chance? Will i be looseing lots of muscle mass? I lift 4 times a week so i dont think ill be looseing it, maintaining it at worst!!!
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    Originally Posted by selfmade View Post
    Damn, really? Well im looking to cut like 35-40 poumds, you think i should give it a chance? Will i be looseing lots of muscle mass? I lift 4 times a week so i dont think ill be looseing it, maintaining it at worst!!!
    I'd definately give it a chance just make sure you keep your macros in check whilst maintaining a small defecit
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    Originally Posted by selfmade View Post
    Thanks bro LOL. Damn its either a hit or miss thing i guess. Its what you believe really. Im thinkin the same thing you guys are, loss in muscle LOL. Can anyone back this up please?
    Haha np buddy.

    Well I hope this is more helpful:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...tomach+morning

    It should answer your questions, some of the answers posted here are bogus.
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    Morning cardio can be good for burning fat, but someone serious about maintaining muscle mass might want to take extra precautions before doing the cardio such as an EAA supplement sipped on 2-3 mins b4 and during the cardio.

    Also let it be known you don't burn more fat in the morning because you have low glycogen levels... infact your muscle glycogen is pretty high (assuming you carbed up after your last workout). The reason you burn more fat during a fasted state is because 1. low insulin levels 2. high glucagon levels triggering hormone sensitive lipase to begin breaking down triglycerides to FFA and glycerol to be utilized for energy to the body. Your body has 2 goals during a fasted state, to feed the brain (priority number 1) and to create enough energy for the rest of the body. The brain is getting glucose from liver glycogen, and gluconeogenesis from glycerol and alanine (alanine coming from muscle protein due to rising cortisol levels promoting muscle breakdown). And the reason you do not have low muscle glycogen is because it wouldn't make any sense for the body to use it, mainly because muscles have very few glucagon receptors and that you are alreayd getting glucose from multiple sources.

    The reason I recommend an EAA drink 2-3 minutes before and then during the cardio is to reduce the need for alanine from muscle tissue. This is only theoretical, I am not entirely sure if this would help or not. Even if it didn't spare alanine use, morning cardio is commonly done by a lot of bodybuilders. You, however, do not want a full meal before this cardio. Reason being is you do not want to increase insulin. If you increase insulin then you can kiss all the fat burning advantages of morning cardio goodbye while already having high cortisol levels still promoting the breakdown of alanine. Its even plausible to say don't have any whey before the cardio because whey causes a spike in insulin, if you drink it during the cardio that could help but it won't be absorbed fast enough to counter act the alanine use. EAA's can spike insulin too, thus is why I suggest them so close to your cardio (2-3 minutes before). You ingest them, they rapidly absorb and by the time they beign to absorb you should be exercising... exercise causes insulin to not be released so you keep the fat burning environment while possibly sparing muscle protein breakdown.
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    in the morning your blood sugar is low so
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    Originally Posted by Hickeyc31 View Post
    Because you burn muscle. Very beneficial.
    Originally Posted by mmd View Post
    Lots of lost muscle. A very good benefit. You should definitely hit that up.
    Epic failures.

    It's great for me on a keto diet, it depletes glucose and it burns fat because I'm not an idiot doing HIIT at 6 in the morning, if you do just run at ~60% of your mhr you won't go into full catabolic mode.
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    Originally Posted by Caseyface View Post
    Epic failures.

    It's great for me on a keto diet, it depletes glucose and it burns fat because I'm not an idiot doing HIIT at 6 in the morning, if you do just run at ~60% of your mhr you won't go into full catabolic mode.
    I would say a 5'9 155lbs guy doing a keto diet is an epic failure personally.
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    Originally Posted by Vipersg123 View Post
    Morning cardio can be good for burning fat, but someone serious about maintaining muscle mass might want to take extra precautions before doing the cardio such as an EAA supplement sipped on 2-3 mins b4 and during the cardio.

    Also let it be known you don't burn more fat in the morning because you have low glycogen levels... infact your muscle glycogen is pretty high (assuming you carbed up after your last workout). The reason you burn more fat during a fasted state is because 1. low insulin levels 2. high glucagon levels triggering hormone sensitive lipase to begin breaking down triglycerides to FFA and glycerol to be utilized for energy to the body. Your body has 2 goals during a fasted state, to feed the brain (priority number 1) and to create enough energy for the rest of the body. The brain is getting glucose from liver glycogen, and gluconeogenesis from glycerol and alanine (alanine coming from muscle protein due to rising cortisol levels promoting muscle breakdown). And the reason you do not have low muscle glycogen is because it wouldn't make any sense for the body to use it, mainly because muscles have very few glucagon receptors and that you are alreayd getting glucose from multiple sources.

    The reason I recommend an EAA drink 2-3 minutes before and then during the cardio is to reduce the need for alanine from muscle tissue. This is only theoretical, I am not entirely sure if this would help or not. Even if it didn't spare alanine use, morning cardio is commonly done by a lot of bodybuilders. You, however, do not want a full meal before this cardio. Reason being is you do not want to increase insulin. If you increase insulin then you can kiss all the fat burning advantages of morning cardio goodbye while already having high cortisol levels still promoting the breakdown of alanine. Its even plausible to say don't have any whey before the cardio because whey causes a spike in insulin, if you drink it during the cardio that could help but it won't be absorbed fast enough to counter act the alanine use. EAA's can spike insulin too, thus is why I suggest them so close to your cardio (2-3 minutes before). You ingest them, they rapidly absorb and by the time they beign to absorb you should be exercising... exercise causes insulin to not be released so you keep the fat burning environment while possibly sparing muscle protein breakdown.
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    Originally Posted by guitarwar241 View Post
    Viper is the man. This guy knows his **** so I'd listen to him.
    i would highly recommend that. the broscience in the teen section is rampant.
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    eat more breakfast.
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    Originally Posted by Atheimetal View Post
    I would say a 5'9 155lbs guy doing a keto diet is an epic failure personally.
    I'm 17. sorry, girls don't give a **** about mass and neither will I until summers over <3
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    Originally Posted by Caseyface View Post
    I'm 17. sorry, girls don't give a **** about mass and neither will I until summers over <3
    Riiiiiiight.
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    because you're body is still in a catabolic state.you need to makesure you get plenty of protein afterwards though.
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    So what's the final verdict? I've been running in the morning for a few days now because i read about the depleted gylcogen levels, so body burns fat yada yada. Am I better off running after I've eaten?
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    Originally Posted by tjtheguitarist View Post
    So what's the final verdict? I've been running in the morning for a few days now because i read about the depleted gylcogen levels, so body burns fat yada yada. Am I better off running after I've eaten?
    How are the results, are trying to cut weight? Well what is the final verdict guys. Viper is probably one of the smartest dudes on this forum and we got like 10000000 people registered on here lmao. That dude knows his science, im still in gr 10 science LMFAO. So i should wake up, go do a regular 30 minute run and then eat my oatmeal and eggs right after? Sound good?
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    I'm 17. sorry, girls don't give a **** about mass and neither will I until summers over <3
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    Run after you workout, it burns the most fat. Next time is at night. Running in the morning is bad news.
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    Originally Posted by Bullrog View Post
    Run after you workout, it burns the most fat. Next time is at night. Running in the morning is bad news.
    I wanna loose the first 20 pounds fairly quickly, like within 6 weeks. Im planning on running 2 times a day. So its either gonna be morning and after workout. OR after workout and night. Anybody?
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    hugo rivera says if you drink 16 oz of water before the morning run then you dont lose muscle. this is walking/jogging 30-45 min as well

    comments on this?

    quote exactly:

    "2. Won't I Lose Muscle If I Workout On An Empty Stomach? dot

    Unless you are a naturally skinny hardgainer, or someone who suffers from blood sugar problems, working out on an empty stomach has always proven to be an effective way to lose fat and gain muscle for me and my clients without any loss of muscle mass. Taking l-Glutamine, BCAAs, Creatine, and NO Boosters prior to the workout further protects muscle tissue, though simply staying properly hydrated with adequate amounts of water will do the trick since good hydration is highly anti-catabolic.

    If this is the first time ever that you have trained in the morning energy levels may be a bit off initially. But after the first week of applying yourself, your body starts adapting to it and you will find that your strength/energy levels will start going up again. "
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    as well from burn the fat feed the muscle by tom venuto:

    "Does too much cardio make you lose muscle?
    One common exercise myth is that doing too much aerobic exercise, or doing it
    too hard makes you lose muscle. While it?s certainly possible this could happen, only
    extreme amounts of high impact, high intensity cardio would cause large muscle losses to
    occur. For example, endurance training and bodybuilding don?t go well together. The
    muscle loss issue is usually highly exaggerated. If you?re in doubt, don?t guess: Carefully
    track your lean body mass with skinfold testing and adjust your cardio and nutrition
    accordingly.
    Losing muscle is most likely caused by three factors: Inadequate caloric intake,
    inadequate protein or dieting without including a weight training program. You?re more
    likely to lose muscle from not eating enough than you are from doing too much cardio. If
    your lean body mass drops, it?s usually because you?re missing meals or not eating
    enough.
    Provide yourself with the proper nutritional support, including adequate meal
    frequency, protein, carbohydrates and total calories, and it?s not likely that you?ll lose
    muscle, even with daily 45-minute cardio sessions. It?s ironic that so many people are
    worried about losing muscle from cardio when they?re skipping meals and eating meals
    without protein."
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