this is one of the most intense sets ive seen

[ThatArmyKid]

i did not think he could get that last rep but he grinded it out

[SteR-]

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that pretty ****ty form? He seemed to be good morning-ing the weight up, that can't be good for his back?

Plus what's with the gay squealing?

[mariahcareyfan2]

Originally Posted by SteR-

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that pretty ****ty form? He seemed to be good morning-ing the weight up, that can't be good for his back?

Plus what's with the gay squealing?

x2 lol. ****ty form and weird ass squealing at the end

[babyslayer]

Originally Posted by SteR-

correct me if i'm wrong but wasn't that pretty ****ty form? He seemed to be good morning-ing the weight up, that can't be good for his back?

Plus what's with the gay squealing?

his form was fine, he leaned over a little bit but that doesn't make it bad form.

You do know there is a exercise called a goodmorning where you lean forward allot to train your posterior chain right? Allot of powerlifters swear by it to improve their squat...


so what is the thought process when you think goodmornings are fine for your back, but doing a goodmorning when you squat cant be good for your back?

EDIT: that is a example of a guy who should be doing goodmornings in his training.

[miketl]

he sounded like a wolf in heat.lol

[Newbtime]

very strong good mornings!

[jakobi]

not the best form but his form looks aight..its not like his back is rounded..

[bigred90]

strange sticky point, and wtf was that yell? he tryn out for some horror movie or what

[Newbtime]

Originally Posted by jakobi

not the best form but his form looks aight..its not like his back is rounded..

yes his arched back good morning form is spot on

[Code_B]

Originally Posted by babyslayer

his form was fine, he leaned over a little bit but that doesn't make it bad form.

You do know there is a exercise called a goodmorning where you lean forward allot to train your posterior chain right? Allot of powerlifters swear by it to improve their squat...


so what is the thought process when you think goodmornings are fine for your back, but doing a goodmorning when you squat cant be good for your back?

EDIT: that is a example of a guy who should be doing goodmornings in his training.

Yeah, it looks like a good morning squat, something that westside recommends as an ME exercise. The squealing is a bit much tho lol...can't imagine it helps him hold his air either.

[Newtt]

that is NOT a Good morning squat, thats just ****ty close stance squat form.

[I dont work at Ballys]

Originally Posted by babyslayer

EDIT: that is a example of a guy who should be doing goodmornings in his training.

wrong. that is an example of a guy who should NOT be doing goodmornings in his training.

[Code_B]

Originally Posted by Newtt

that is NOT a Good morning squat, thats just ****ty close stance squat form.

lol, I'll take your word for it. looked a bit funky to me but meh. I only learned about the good morning squat because I saw them in an elitefts program I was thinking I'm going to be doing and haven't tried to learn the exercise yet.

[BrendanBrock]

good mornings, squat, ****ty form, whatever,.. that was insane how he pulled off 5 reps. It looked like he was only going to get one!

[GoJu]

he sits back too much.

[Halfway]

Bizzare form, but still 5 reps with 545 (ish) is strong. Let's be realistic here that's a lot of weight to lift... in the grand scheme of bad form it's not like that's DW cheating out a max with a weight most high school kids warm up with.

nothing a few months of box squatting wouldn't fix

[Newbtime]

Originally Posted by Newtt

that is NOT a Good morning squat, thats just ****ty close stance squat form.

I disagree, look at that good morning.

[babyslayer]

Originally Posted by I dont work at Ballys

wrong. that is an example of a guy who should NOT be doing goodmornings in his training.

I have been on both sides of this idea,

should he not do goodmornings because it could make him lean over even more when he squats?

or should he do goodmornings to make it easier for him to correct the forward lean?



On one hand it could help him goodmorning the weight evenly when he extends his legs (and fix his form) and give him more weight.

On the other hand he could goodmorning even more and have worse form.


I still stand by what I said but I could definitely be wrong.

[bigred90]

guy should widen his stance or have more forward knee travel. Still a strong lower back.



To the OP, do you squat? I remember back when i trolled the teen section, in a thread regarding smith machines you said you used it for squats because it "burned" your quads like no other

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...n#post76515113
found the thread

[Jaack0]

I'm happy OP got the UTube embedded so there's not a lesson on how to embed UTubes.

Unless he's in a contest where form counts he did the weight.

It's like if you're on the side of the road on that game show with all the flashing lights. If you blow above 0.08 you win.

The cops don't sit in their car rewind the dash cam and say ahh crap his form was off. I think he was using his tongue. Officer Rick, You're right, his form sucks, let him go home.

[JBElite]

His lower back/and or core is weak. He leans over like that coming out of the hole because he isn't strong enough to stabilize and stay upright. His legs are strong enough for the squat, but his lower back isn't..that is why you get the resulting abortion for a set.

[babyslayer]

Originally Posted by JBElite

His lower back/and or core is weak. He leans over like that coming out of the hole because he isn't strong enough to stabilize and stay upright. His legs are strong enough for the squat, but his lower back isn't..that is why you get the resulting abortion for a set.

it could also be his back is his strong point, and he takes the weight off of his legs by leaning forward because his back is his strong point.


its hard to tell, but I tend to agree with you.

[SlammaJamma]

There are a lot of people in this thread who are bigger and stronger than me, but it looks like good mornings are the last thing he needs. When form gets bad, you rely on your strongest muscle groups to do the work. I'm the same as that guy, my back/hip strength dominates my leg strength. As soon as I get to the bottom with a heavy weight, my hips shoot up into an advantageous position and I good morning the weight up. It prevents you from using your legs to get out of the hole, you essentially reduce that portion of the movement. I'd say he needs to get his leg strength up, ie front squats. He's pretty much doing good mornings right there, I don't think more good mornings would help.

[babyslayer]

Originally Posted by SlammaJamma

There are a lot of people in this thread who are bigger and stronger than me, but it looks like good mornings are the last thing he needs. When form gets bad, you rely on your strongest muscle groups to do the work. I'm the same as that guy, my back/hip strength dominates my leg strength. As soon as I get to the bottom with a heavy weight, my hips shoot up into an advantageous position and I good morning the weight up. It prevents you from using your legs to get out of the hole, you essentially reduce that portion of the movement. I'd say he needs to get his leg strength up, ie front squats. He's pretty much doing good mornings right there, I don't think more good mornings would help.

I thought that to for a second, but then I thought, weak quads? WTF, how do quads become your weakness when you squat?



The only hard part of the lift for him comes when he goes into the goodmorning, from there on the lift is hard as hell. So if he was stronger in the goodmorning, he would be stronger on his squat.

However, this doesn't mean it would fix his form, just make him use more weight.


You dont use quads out of the hole, its mostly glutes, so maybe he has weak glutes and he compensates by useing his quads out of the hole, and them hamstrings and lower back to finnish the lift?

Where is Louie Simmons when you need him.........

[ThatArmyKid]

so no discussion on how touch that last rep was?

[SlammaJamma]

Originally Posted by babyslayer

I thought that to for a second, but then I thought, weak quads? WTF, how do quads become your weakness when you squat?



The only hard part of the lift for him comes when he goes into the goodmorning, from there on the lift is hard as hell. So if he was stronger in the goodmorning, he would be stronger on his squat.

However, this doesn't mean it would fix his form, just make him use more weight.


You dont use quads out of the hole, its mostly glutes, so maybe he has weak glutes and he compensates by useing his quads out of the hole, and them hamstrings and lower back to finnish the lift?

Where is Louie Simmons when you need him.........

I think its sort of how people go around saying quads aren't important for jumping, it's all glutes and hams. In fact that's not true, it's just that most people have piss poor posterior chain strength so they don't need to worry about their quads. The posterior chain dominates, but quads are actually pretty important for jumping.

The same way, you wouldn't expect the quads to be a weakness, but ultimately it's gotta take some quad strength to rep out 550 with good form. He's also using a shoulder width stance.

But still, saying he needs to bring his quad strength up seems wrong somehow, maybe he needs to bring up his glute strength like you said, or maybe it's just angle specific strength that paused squats or box squats would help.

[Vandalboy]

I agree with some of you....his back is strong and so he uses it to compensate for the lack of weakness in other areas. Looks like he could use some ab work.

[Neo_Anthony]

Squat morning.

[GoJu]

Originally Posted by babyslayer

I thought that to for a second, but then I thought, weak quads? WTF, how do quads become your weakness when you squat?



The only hard part of the lift for him comes when he goes into the goodmorning, from there on the lift is hard as hell. So if he was stronger in the goodmorning, he would be stronger on his squat.

However, this doesn't mean it would fix his form, just make him use more weight.


You dont use quads out of the hole, its mostly glutes, so maybe he has weak glutes and he compensates by useing his quads out of the hole, and them hamstrings and lower back to finnish the lift?

Where is Louie Simmons when you need him.........

weak quads can definetly hamper you coming out of the hole especially with a stance like the one the guys using, I agree glutes do come into play but IMO it's with wider stances.

I used to squat EXACTLY like that, my stronger back and posterior chain made up for my weak legs (quads) and abs; not sitting back so much would make him become more upright but I tend to agree more ab work and more speed is needed to stop his big good morning squat.

not all of PLing is Pchain dominant like Simmons says, just sayin'

[ottorotvic]

He needs goodmornings and heavy ab work. When the weight is doubling you over like that on the way up, you fix it by training your abs and doing GMs so you're strong and stable enough to prevent that happening next time.

It not what he does once he's in that doubled over position (A GM to get the weight up) that you should be focusing on to find a solution, it's what's happening that makes him get into that position initially.

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