test suspension oil vs. water

spowers1 · 05-11-2008, 10:20 PM

If you were going to make test susp. but use oil instead of water, how would it effect the absorption rate?

N4cer · 05-11-2008, 10:23 PM

I don't believe it's enough to matter from my experience.

spowers1 · 05-11-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

I don't believe it's enough to matter from my experience.

exactly what I wanted to hear! thanks man!

Bill Of Oz · 05-12-2008, 06:06 AM

i have always used oil for test susp.....

oil injections are less likely to cause problems IMO

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 06:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Of Oz

i have always used oil for test susp.....

oil injections are less likely to cause problems IMO

Bill (no matter how much of an ass he is at times

) and I are both on the same page.

What kind of oil did you have in mind bro?

drolfreak · 05-12-2008, 07:30 AM

One thing to consider with oil bro, it will hang around much longer than water, so you need to be sure to rotate sites. (i'm sure you'd thought about this, but it bears mentioning).

Good luck with the suspension!

Alcatraz1662 · 05-12-2008, 08:23 AM

never got to try oil in my time but if it's anywhere near the greatness of water based suspension is, then i'd say go for it.

Solidarity · 05-12-2008, 08:59 AM

i always thought the reason it is a suspension is because of the water.

i don't see why you would ever want to go with oil anyway, water draws and injects much easier and disperses in your muscle more efficiently. any spot injections gains you will see will be with a water based compound, not oil.

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Solidarity

any spot injections gains you will see will be with a water based compound, not oil.

Test is not site specific. You wont see any selective muscle growth just because you inject in a certain muscle.

spowers1 · 05-12-2008, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Of Oz

i have always used oil for test susp.....

oil injections are less likely to cause problems IMO

Thanks bro! My thought exactly

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

Bill (no matter how much of an ass he is at times

) and I are both on the same page.

What kind of oil did you have in mind bro?

I have come to appreciate Bill's style, very sarcastic sense of humor, cracks me up sometimes! Thanks Recip!

As far as oil, one of the 2 they supply at research supply, I believe I can post that since nothing illegal is sold their? Probably cottonseed?

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Originally Posted by drolfreak

One thing to consider with oil bro, it will hang around much longer than water, so you need to be sure to rotate sites. (i'm sure you'd thought about this, but it bears mentioning).

Good luck with the suspension!

Thanks man, I'm still trying to work out all the bugs!

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Originally Posted by Alcatraz1662

never got to try oil in my time but if it's anywhere near the greatness of water based suspension is, then i'd say go for it.

I'm hoping so!

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Originally Posted by Solidarity

i always thought the reason it is a suspension is because of the water. ?? Beats me??

i don't see why you would ever want to go with oil anyway, water draws and injects much easier and disperses in your muscle more efficiently. any spot injections gains you will see will be with a water based compound, not oil.

Just because I've been reading that brewing it with water is a pain in the but, and oil is much easier. It's my first time to try homebrewing, so I want it to be simple.

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 09:51 AM

Just remember: water SUSPENSION uses much less solvent than oil SOLUTION.

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by spowers1

Thanks Recip!

As far as oil, one of the 2 they supply at research supply, I believe I can post that since nothing illegal is sold their? Probably cottonseed?

You can also try this south Florida company I go through. They're the **** and you get ALLLLOOOTTTT more bang for your buck.

http://www.lemelange.com/

Cottenseed oil
16oz (473ml) $15 bucks!
1 Gallon (3,785ml) $55 Bucks!

That source is now my late Christmas gift to all of the family!!

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 10:20 AM

I'd rather you guys not use companies who were involved in ORD.

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 10:23 AM

Research Supply

100 ml (3.25 oz)
Cottonseed Oil: $7.50

At that rate $37.50 for 16oz of their oil.

Their 1 liter (33.8 oz)

Cottonseed Oil: $35.00
1 liter is only 1,000 ML

Damn I just hooked you guys up

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

I'd rather you guys not use companies who were involved in ORD.

My source wasn't.

Its a local company.

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 11:05 AM

Lemelange was.

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 11:06 AM

Research Supply is great people. I actually worked for them in the past.

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

Lemelange was.

!~?

You sir have officially shocked me. Link to said proof? Thanks.

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

!~?

You sir have officially shocked me. Link to said proof? Thanks.

Dear Lord, man. I'm on about every board in the world. I have no idea where it was, but yes. They were visited and their customer records taken/copied/whatever you call it. Where were you during ORD that you missed that one? It wasn't a secret. No big deal, but I'd rather not chance it.

Reciprocity · 05-12-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

Dear Lord, man. I'm on about every board in the world. I have no idea where it was, but yes. They were visited and their customer records taken/copied/whatever you call it. Where were you during ORD that you missed that one? It wasn't a secret. No big deal, but I'd rather not chance it.

I was right here.

I never saw their name on any of the boards I post on. I actually have talked to the owner over the phone.

I'm gonna need to give their ass a call.

germanyt · 05-12-2008, 11:35 AM

I may be wrong but isn't it the ester and not the oil that slows absorbsion? I thought the only reason oil is used in estered test is becasue it won't dissolve in water the way a non estered test susp does.

spowers1 · 05-12-2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Reciprocity

You can also try this south Florida company I go through. They're the **** and you get ALLLLOOOTTTT more bang for your buck.

http://www.lemelange.com/

Cottenseed oil
16oz (473ml) $15 bucks!
1 Gallon (3,785ml) $55 Bucks!

That source is now my late Christmas gift to all of the family!!

Ahh thanks man! Merry christmas to you to bro! I didn't get you anything though. I know, I'll send you some MORE of my naked pics, since you liked the last ones sooo much! These will be straight from my naked squats and deadlift album! (serious)

Thanks for the source bro!

drolfreak · 05-12-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by spowers1

These will be straight from my naked squats and deadlift album! (serious)

Anyone else just go to a really bad place?

spowers1 · 05-12-2008, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by drolfreak

Anyone else just go to a really bad place?

LMFAO!! I shouldn't joke like that. I've actually got some creepy PM's before that make me think twice before putting pics up. (really is serious this time.)

spowers1 · 05-12-2008, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

Just remember: water SUSPENSION uses much less solvent than oil SOLUTION.

Would you happen to have the specs on that.

Looking through my notes (yes I take notes!) I have written down:
minimum- 1% BA benzyl alch.
minimum- 5% BB benzyl benzoate usp 24 or greater

But I don't remember what that pertains to? I think it's for water? Do you have specs for oil?

Thanks bro!

N4cer · 05-12-2008, 12:19 PM

Honestly, I don't see that little bit of solvent dissolving test base in 100mg/ml.

And no I don't have the recipes anymore. I'd have to look them up the same as you can. I got rid of recipes long ago.

spowers1 · 05-12-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by N4cer

Honestly, I don't see that little bit of solvent dissolving test base in 100mg/ml.

And no I don't have the recipes anymore. I'd have to look them up the same as you can. I got rid of recipes long ago.

I'll have to actually use the search button again! Dam, it's been a while! Thanks bro!