need help with a cyclo tren cycle

[justkrizzl]

I am new to ph's and want to be really safe. i hope to have kids one day so i must recover from "shutdown"

CYCLO TREN
week 1=35mg
week 2=70mg
week 3=70mg
week 4=70mg

PCT
week 1=120mg of toremifene
week 2=90mg of toremifene
week 3=60mg of toremifene
week 4=30 mg of toremifene

can i stack any thing else with the cyclo tren (not another prohormone) to improve weight gain?

should i throw in showdown by body fuel for life?

anything else i can add to get a full recovery?

[CBD32]

What Is The Chemical Name?

[justkrizzl]

19-Norandrosta 4,9 Diene 3, 17 Dione

[CBD32]

I FINISHED A CYCLE OF THAT IN JANUARY...GOOD RESULTS. I STACKED IT WITH Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol,17-one (TT-40). Trying to research serms for next stack now.

[justkrizzl]

did you get any serious "shutdown" because that is my deepest worry. i can get ride of gyno easy but the product says it doesnt convert to estrogen...true or false?

[justkrizzl]

i just researched "Androsta-1-ene-3b-ol,17-one" and i have to say it seems very harsh on the endocrine system... what was your pct for the last cycle you did?

[StinkyFinger]

I picked up a few bottles of the Cyclotren and a few other prohormones. I have heard good things, but I have no first hand experience. I am trying to stock up before the ban.

[justkrizzl]

What???? What Ban? When?

[StinkyFinger]

What???? What Ban? When?

Brand name products that will likely be scheduled as of 24 June 2008.





4Ever Fit D-Drol
**** Ergomax
American Cellular Labs TREN-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MASS-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MMA-3-Xtreme
Anabolic Formulation Halo-T
Anabolic Formulation TrenaPLEX
AX Pheraplex
AX Ergomax
ANC Rage
APS Nutrition Ultra Mass Stack
Black China Labs Straight Phlexed
Black China Labs Super Flex
Black Dragon Labs Testanate 50
Black Dragon Nutrition TRENV-700
BCS Labs Halo-Tren 400
BCS Labs Testra-Flex
CEL P-Plex
Chapparal Labs Pheravol-V
CTD Labs Decabolen
CTD Trenbolen
DNA Testadrol 50
EST Phera-Vol
Evolution Labs Omnevol
Evolution Labs Sustevol
Evolution Labs ANEVOL
Fast Action D-Stianizol
Fast Action MD1T
Fast Action Monster Pack
Fast Action Trena
Finamax
Fizogen On Cycle Hardcore II
Generic Labz Phera Max
Genetic Edge Technologies SUS500
G.E.T.
Phera 50
Tren 250
Genetic Excel(GXL)Original HD
Growth Labs P-Max
Harcore Formulations T-Roid
IDS Ripped Tabs
IDS Sostenol 250
iForce 1,4 AD BOLD 200
iForce BOLD
Infinite Labs CycloTren
Intense Nutraceuticals Epiotren
Intense Nutraceuticals Tri Bolic
Juggernaut Nutrition Phera-Bol
Juggernaut Nutrition Tren X
Kilo Sports Phera-Mass
KiloSports Trenadrol
Molecular Nutrition Boldione
Myogenix(TCC) 17-Methyl X
Myogenix(TCC) Spawn
Myogenix(TCC) Xtreme Tren
Pharma Resources Pheragen
Pharmagenx Finigenx Magnum
Purus Labs E-Pol
Rockhard Formulations Razorbolic
Rockhard Formulations Equitren
Serious Nutrition Solutions Methyl-Plex XT
Tokkyo Stack
Tokkyo EQ
Tokkyo Tren
Tokkyo Methyl X

[justkrizzl]

wow i absolutly hate our government...they are to damn worried about people getting big off chemicals, and not worried about other national problems such as illegal mexicans and what not. wow... some people.......on the bright side i gave you good rep, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GIVE A PERSON MORE THAN ONE REP.???
do you know how hard this compund s on you bodys endocrine system???

[kerplunk]

Brand name products that will likely be scheduled as of 24 June 2008.





4Ever Fit D-Drol
**** Ergomax
American Cellular Labs TREN-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MASS-Xtreme
American Cellular Labs MMA-3-Xtreme
Anabolic Formulation Halo-T
Anabolic Formulation TrenaPLEX
AX Pheraplex
AX Ergomax
ANC Rage
APS Nutrition Ultra Mass Stack
Black China Labs Straight Phlexed
Black China Labs Super Flex
Black Dragon Labs Testanate 50
Black Dragon Nutrition TRENV-700
BCS Labs Halo-Tren 400
BCS Labs Testra-Flex
CEL P-Plex
Chapparal Labs Pheravol-V
CTD Labs Decabolen
CTD Trenbolen
DNA Testadrol 50
EST Phera-Vol
Evolution Labs Omnevol
Evolution Labs Sustevol
Evolution Labs ANEVOL
Fast Action D-Stianizol
Fast Action MD1T
Fast Action Monster Pack
Fast Action Trena
Finamax
Fizogen On Cycle Hardcore II
Generic Labz Phera Max
Genetic Edge Technologies SUS500
G.E.T.
Phera 50
Tren 250
Genetic Excel(GXL)Original HD
Growth Labs P-Max
Harcore Formulations T-Roid
IDS Ripped Tabs
IDS Sostenol 250
iForce 1,4 AD BOLD 200
iForce BOLD
Infinite Labs CycloTren
Intense Nutraceuticals Epiotren
Intense Nutraceuticals Tri Bolic
Juggernaut Nutrition Phera-Bol
Juggernaut Nutrition Tren X
Kilo Sports Phera-Mass
KiloSports Trenadrol
Molecular Nutrition Boldione
Myogenix(TCC) 17-Methyl X
Myogenix(TCC) Spawn
Myogenix(TCC) Xtreme Tren
Pharma Resources Pheragen
Pharmagenx Finigenx Magnum
Purus Labs E-Pol
Rockhard Formulations Razorbolic
Rockhard Formulations Equitren
Serious Nutrition Solutions Methyl-Plex XT
Tokkyo Stack
Tokkyo EQ
Tokkyo Tren
Tokkyo Methyl X

Sucks that its come to this.

[MT1979]

iForce BOLD

Really?

[justkrizzl]

i know im only 20 and havent even got to use any this stuff. it really suck for you cuz your only 17.

[justkrizzl]

yah BOLD is 1,4 ad....i think

[justkrizzl]

wait they forgot one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes we can still use TREN

[Sethaniel]

It's hard on the system and yes you will probably need an oncycle estro blocker, try to get some formestane. Although it says that tren doesnot convert to estrogen your body will still be producing more of it to counter all that synthetic testosterone. I like that showdown stuff though...works for me and my buds.

[justkrizzl]

whats the best estro-blocker?
when do i use showdown

[Sethaniel]

If you can afford it you can run Showdown the whole time your oncycle and follow it up for at least 2 weeks after you end Tren to restore your LH hormone and properly block estrogen. Me and my friends like to run it on cycle to keep are natural test levels up while on cycle...but mainly to keep your sexdrive from shutting down. you can get away with running Tren with like Aromanex and 1 week out from cycle start the showdown. And i'd also recomend some liver support products, hawthorn to regulate BP, and Red yeast rice and coq10 to keep your cholesterol in check.

[justkrizzl]

do i need to us my toremifene or should i just keep it just incase?
would nolvadex do the same?

[Sethaniel]

Always have a SERM on hand just in case. But if you have it...ofcourse hold onto it.

[StinkyFinger]

wait they forgot one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yes we can still use TREN

4 chlora and epithio type products will be next. I wouldn't worry though. It looked like the end for PS/PS in the great baning of 2001, but the mad scientists prevailed. I am sure in the near future there will be better products out than those that are being banned.

[justkrizzl]

can you please explain these products to me because i have no clue what they are

[justkrizzl]

so how should i run showdown, because im so F*cking scared of being "shutdown"

[v4lu3s]

yah BOLD is 1,4 ad....i think

hmm, is that why they named it 1,4ad Bold?

[TheGainz]

run showdown from start to finish. A lot of people will wait towards the last 2 weeks of a cycle to run an anti estrogen and test booster but if ur running a 6-8 week cycle, thats an entire month ur natural test has been shut off and ur estrogen levels have been rising. I would recommend starting Showdown the first day because it has both a natural test booster and a high grade anti estrogen (formestane) so you can keep ur levels in check from day 1.