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    Adderall: Why it eats muscle...

    Lately, a lot of people I know are looking to Adderall in hopes of trimming down for the summer, guys and gals alike. I've gotten involved in a few discussions, sharing any experience I can and giving advice where needed, but there's one thing I'm not quite clear on...

    There's always talk of muscle loss while taking Adderall for extended periods of time, whether you legitimately need it for ADD/ADHD or you're using it as a supplement. Why exactly is this? Is there actually a catabolic effect caused by the drug or is it moreso from the appetite suppression restulting in poorer nutrition?
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    amphetamine and appetite suppression
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    Originally Posted by sizemeup2 View Post
    amphetamine and appetite suppression
    I went from 296 pounds to 227 in 6 months while using adderall and cardio with no change in food choices, just ate less often due to constant feeling of upset stomach that stims give you.
    Pls respond Brandon

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    Adderall is very similiar to amphetamine structurally and pharmacologically also increasing metabolic rate and causing a negative effect on your appetite.
    "I just use my muscles as a conversation piece, like someone walking a cheetah down 42nd Street." - Arnold Schwarzenegger

    Heretic....
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    Originally Posted by sizemeup2 View Post
    amphetamine and appetite suppression
    DING DING DING!

    Adderall is basically perscription 'meth' and diminsihes appetite when taken orally (as well as improving focus) however, when snorted or smoked, youll get more into the meth side of things and less into the semi beneficial aspects..

    I would steer clear of this one, there are better cutting drugs.
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    What about the testosterone lowering properties. Notice libido problems when coming down...
    Knowing is not enough, you must apply. Do it.
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    Originally Posted by Voo View Post
    DING DING DING!

    Adderall is basically perscription 'meth' and diminsihes appetite when taken orally (as well as improving focus) however, when snorted or smoked, youll get more into the meth side of things and less into the semi beneficial aspects..

    I would steer clear of this one, there are better cutting drugs.
    DON"T SNORT IT! it really burns your nose..... just sayin
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    if you're really looking to avert catabolism, just consume bcaa's frequently and make sure you're hitting your required protein intake...
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    Originally Posted by mer-der-ah View Post
    if you're really looking to avert catabolism, just consume bcaa's frequently and make sure you're hitting your required protein intake...
    Screw the BCAA and the adderall...just eat enough protein, eat frquently and enough calories in general and be sure to lift and do your cardio consistently. Its not a complicated process...
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    Originally Posted by anth28 View Post
    Screw the BCAA and the adderall...just eat enough protein, eat frquently and enough calories in general and be sure to lift and do your cardio consistently. Its not a complicated process...
    agreed, however some people like to take shortcuts... or are struggling with that last little bit of fat
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    Originally Posted by LCking187 View Post
    DON"T SNORT IT! it really burns your nose..... just sayin
    No it doesn't... just sayin....
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    it absolutely will destroy appetite, u CANT and WONT eat unless u really force yourself, that is a catabolic property in itself
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    i have never been to a doctor to test if i have add or adhd, and i take 10mg of adderall about 3 times a week while im in college. Ive never heard of people taking it for a supplement for bodybuilding lol? I use it to concentrate on my studies if im going to study for long periods of time.
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    Originally Posted by spaniel1287 View Post
    i have never been to a doctor to test if i have add or adhd, and i take 10mg of adderall about 3 times a week while im in college. Ive never heard of people taking it for a supplement for bodybuilding lol? I use it to concentrate on my studies if im going to study for long periods of time.
    It works great for studying! I got a buddy who managed to stay up for 74 hours straight thanks to adderall. I swear I could read an encyclopedia and read it back to you word for word if I had a couple pills.

    But... if you abuse it like that, you will feel HORRIBLE coming down.
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    adderal is amphetamine (mixture of salts for time release). it increases dopamine secretion in the brain (nucleus acumbens for focus). dopamine is what activates the basal ganglia (voluntary muscle control) so you're increasing your metabolism significantly. its structurally related to ephedrine which is a beta agonist, so there is some stimulation in that respect to but more of a head high than body wide. there is a significant decrease in appetite as well, id imagine if you took BCAA's or cortisol controlling supplements you would have yourself a pretty good fat burning stack while maintaing your muscle. just make sure you eat enough food as with all fat burners. if you dont have a prescription for adderal you can always take the deprynl / dlpa / pea route. they both have their ups and downs - be careful whatever you end up doing, chance of arrythmia or hypotensive crisis is always a concern
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    i had no idea this was a fat burner. Lol i just use it to stay up and stay concentrated so i can study. The pills i get from my buddy are 20mg but i just cut them in half and get double use out of 1 pill. Usually keeps me focused pretty good for bout 6-8 hours. Its my perfect miracle drug. Alcohol is obviously the best of any drug though lol. Sucks though when your trying to gain muscle. College is about having fun though.
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    Originally Posted by projectpat06 View Post
    it absolutely will destroy appetite, u CANT and WONT eat unless u really force yourself, that is a catabolic property in itself
    That may be true when you first start taking it. I've been on it for more than four years now and I have no problems eating. Occasionally I will just forget to eat when I'm really busy at work, but it doesn't keep me from eating.
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    Originally Posted by Voo View Post
    Adderall is basically perscription 'meth' and diminsihes appetite when taken orally (as well as improving focus) however, when snorted or smoked, youll get more into the meth side of things and less into the semi beneficial aspects..

    I would steer clear of this one, there are better cutting drugs.
    Taking adderall for weight loss is called "drug abuse" and is illegal. It's not an over-the-counter med (at least not in the States).

    And yes, one of the side effects is weight loss. Our son is on Adderall and his PCP told us (demanded would be a more appropriate verb) to let him eat whatever he wants. It took me a little time to adjust to letting him scarf down a couple slices of greasy pizza prior to him going to bed, but being able to count his ribs from across the room has led me to understand what the doc was talking about.
    "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38,39

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    Originally Posted by ElderJefferson View Post
    Taking adderall for weight loss is called "drug abuse" and is illegal. It's not an over-the-counter med (at least not in the States).

    And yes, one of the side effects is weight loss. Our son is on Adderall and his PCP told us (demanded would be a more appropriate verb) to let him eat whatever he wants. It took me a little time to adjust to letting him scarf down a couple slices of greasy pizza prior to him going to bed, but being able to count his ribs from across the room has led me to understand what the doc was talking about.
    We're all aware it's considered abuse and is illegal. But it doesn't change the fact that college students everywhere use this drug to help them study. It's also known as an "academic steroid" by many users/abusers.
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    oh yeah if your son is showing ribs, dont know what age he is you didnt specify, then should def. hook a funnel up to his mouth and just pour down protein and carbs lol. hope his health is much better now
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    oh yeah i love how its an "illegal" drug for people who it isnt prescribed to. At least if you overdose on this you can die. Makes me wonder why marijuana is illegal seeing that it has NEVER killed a single person from using it. Cheech and Chong are still alive and kickin lol so that is one drug this country should make legal. Causes no harm whatsoever. Only reason it isnt legal is because they cant tax it and steal more money from us citizens. Just like how they banned online gambling, government cant tax it so they just ban it. rediculous if u ask me
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    Wink Adderall Yum!

    I am a prescription Adderall user that is at the max dosage of Adderall XT, I am not a doctor but I do alot of research on what I put into my body and have a good relationship with my psychiatrist so I will chime in with what I know.

    Most of the other posters are completely on target - Adderall can have a negative effect on any plans to build muscle since it is an amphetamine and can cause loss of appetite and can interrupt sleep patterns. If abused it has a lot of the same characteristics as speed.

    In the case of people with (actual) ADD like myself the effects are different , Most people with genuine ADD who take Adderall or Concerta (when dosed correctly) do not get the interrupted sleep patterns, loss of appetite, and only have a mild stim effect ? you do not feel jittery or frantic.

    I have had no problem gaining and maintaining muscle while on either Concerta or Adderall ? however (as previously said) I have ADD, so someone without ADD would have very different results (once again depending on dosage and taking it correctly ? i.e. don?t chew it or break the capsules)
    BTW ? getting Adderall or Concerta is easy, most psychiatrists love to diagnose ADD and prescribe it, that is why it is becoming such a widely abused substance. (I am not telling you to go do this)

    I just realized I might have brought nothing of value to this thread.. meh ? since I typed it I am still gonna post it.
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    Originally Posted by spaniel1287 View Post
    oh yeah i love how its an "illegal" drug for people who it isnt prescribed to. At least if you overdose on this you can die. Makes me wonder why marijuana is illegal seeing that it has NEVER killed a single person from using it. Cheech and Chong are still alive and kickin lol so that is one drug this country should make legal. Causes no harm whatsoever. Only reason it isnt legal is because they cant tax it and steal more money from us citizens. Just like how they banned online gambling, government cant tax it so they just ban it. rediculous if u ask me
    I used to think the same thing, but the truth is if pot were legalized, that it would be sold in stores/clinics and taxed. Why would anyone bother going there man in his white t-shirt, when they can get high quality strains at a clinic? Why is pot illegal, I dunno, why should it be legal? ya know?
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    Originally Posted by gobigandgohome View Post
    adderal is amphetamine (mixture of salts for time release). it increases dopamine secretion in the brain (nucleus acumbens for focus). dopamine is what activates the basal ganglia (voluntary muscle control) so you're increasing your metabolism significantly. its structurally related to ephedrine which is a beta agonist, so there is some stimulation in that respect to but more of a head high than body wide. there is a significant decrease in appetite as well, id imagine if you took BCAA's or cortisol controlling supplements you would have yourself a pretty good fat burning stack while maintaing your muscle. just make sure you eat enough food as with all fat burners. if you dont have a prescription for adderal you can always take the deprynl / dlpa / pea route. they both have their ups and downs - be careful whatever you end up doing, chance of arrythmia or hypotensive crisis is always a concern
    Repped. Exactly what I was trying to find out. I don't have any intention of messing around with Adderall, my EC stack works just fine. I just couldn't seem to find any solid answer as to WHY Adderall typically leads to muscle loss, just assumed it was due to the appetite suppression and that forcing down protein shakes, BCAA's, creatine, etc in addition to making sure you eat -- whether you want to or not -- would offset any loss.

    I have a good amount of coworkers that routinely pop Adderall in the break room just to finish their shifts, I see what they're like when they eventually come down and I advise against it whenever I have a friend toying with the idea just to get into "summer shape." Much healthier alternatives that wont jack around with your beta receptors or lead to dependency.

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    Originally Posted by chasinSKURT View Post
    I used to think the same thing, but the truth is if pot were legalized, that it would be sold in stores/clinics and taxed. Why would anyone bother going there man in his white t-shirt, when they can get high quality strains at a clinic? Why is pot illegal, I dunno, why should it be legal? ya know?
    I never messed with weed, except for one magical month after I got out of the army.

    I would not use it myself, but I personally wish they would legalize it. From what I have read (and I admit I am no expert on the history of weed) if it were not for William Randolph Hearst owning a ****load of acid pulp paper mills hemp/weed may never have been outlawed.
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    Originally Posted by ashenkoren View Post
    I never messed with weed, except for one magical month after I got out of the army.

    I would not use it myself, but I personally wish they would legalize it. From what I have read (and I admit I am no expert on the history of weed) if it were not for William Randolph Hearst owning a ****load of acid pulp paper mills hemp/weed may never have been outlawed.
    I haven't got a clue! LOL

    I've smoked weed a whopping 3 times in my life... each time was because I was so drunk that I used it to ease my stomach... so I could drink more. There's tons of people who want it legalized, but most of them are stoners. I just want to know what about marijuana is actually useful??
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    Originally Posted by spaniel1287 View Post
    oh yeah if your son is showing ribs, dont know what age he is you didnt specify, then should def. hook a funnel up to his mouth and just pour down protein and carbs lol. hope his health is much better now
    His overall health is fine. He's quick as lightening, which is usually the case with most teenagers who weigh a little more than a bag of rice!

    But yeah, we literally have to remind him to eat.

    EDIT: And as Ash brought to our attention, Adderall is intended for individuals who have been diagnosed with ADHD, which is a chemical imbalance in the brain. Adderall mimics the chemical that is required, bringing the ADHD individual more towards a state of "normalcy". As such, it does not have the same affect on those of us who do not have a chemical imbalance, and is equivalent to the effects of speed.

    It does, however, suppress the appetite of everyone who ingests it.
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    adderall is addicting, I would not recommend it for weight loss
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    Is it that easy to get it prescribed to you when you don't even have ADD/ADHD? Or do the people doing it lie and say they can't concentrate/ect?
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    Originally Posted by chasinSKURT View Post
    I haven't got a clue! LOL

    I've smoked weed a whopping 3 times in my life... each time was because I was so drunk that I used it to ease my stomach... so I could drink more. There's tons of people who want it legalized, but most of them are stoners. I just want to know what about marijuana is actually useful??
    i broke 12 bones back in december and lost 20 lbs in the 3 months i was at hom ein a hospital bed not doing anything. this was due to the combination of complete lack of physical activity and appetite suppression from oxycontin. ive been smoking weed for the last 2 months (still on oxycontin) and ive gained 11 lbs of lean mass and have been sleeping better. take it for what you will.
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