Max Box Squat vs Back Squat

[sohard88]

whats the difference between your max on both, assuming its a parrallel box.

[Doyl888]

a lot less on box squats

[DavidJr74]

Originally Posted by Doyl888

a lot less on box squats

You mean alot more on box squats. I can do alot more weight on box squats then I do when I squat.

[sohard88]

Originally Posted by jmanjman47

You mean alot more on box squats. I can do alot more weight on box squats then I do when I squat.

yeah me too I can squat 260 and box squat probably 280.

[Redwing8]

If you can box squat more then you parallel squat, you're doing it wrong. How could you lift more weight when you lose all momentum at the bottom on box squat, doesn't make sense. It's going to depend on the person, but in general, your box squat will be around 50 pounds less then your regular squat.

[DavidJr74]

Originally Posted by Redwing8

If you can box squat more then you parallel squat, you're doing it wrong. How could you lift more weight when you lose all momentum at the bottom on box squat, doesn't make sense. It's going to depend on the person, but in general, your box squat will be around 50 pounds less then your regular squat.

I squat ATG. I never do parallel or above parallel. **** hurts my knees

[sohard88]

Originally Posted by Redwing8

If you can box squat more then you parallel squat, you're doing it wrong. How could you lift more weight when you lose all momentum at the bottom on box squat, doesn't make sense. It's going to depend on the person, but in general, your box squat will be around 50 pounds less then your regular squat.

what momentum? the momentum is going down so how would that help. One of the reasons the box helps me is because parallel is my sticking point and having a box there makes me feel more comfortable with heavy weight. Thats funny I always thought box squats were easier for everyone. So if I box squated 2x my bodyweight, would that be the same or better than a normal parallel squat, for my vj?

[thaphoenix]

the vertical jump is primarily a quad dominat maneuvre, and the atg squat would be a better for the vj in that sense, but the the box squat recruits much more fast twitch musles, and also alot of people have muslce imbalances in the posterior chain wich also contributes to the vertical jump, so it really depends on what you need.

[sohard88]

Originally Posted by thaphoenix

the vertical jump is primarily a quad dominat maneuvre, and the atg squat would be a better for the vj in that sense, but the the box squat recruits much more fast twitch musles, and also alot of people have muslce imbalances in the posterior chain wich also contributes to the vertical jump, so it really depends on what you need.

do you squat more or less with a box?

[thaphoenix]

way less, at least 30 pounds

[sohard88]

I wonder what my problem is then, but I think the reason I box squat more is all mental, (knowing I wont get stuck below parallel). Thank you guys knowing your supposed to squat more w/o the box will help me fix the problem.

[Baseballer]

my squat parallel is 370 and i box squat about 405

[N10CT]

Box 500-515
Free 420 is the most I've ever done ATG

[Fullback7]

Originally Posted by sohard88

I wonder what my problem is then, but I think the reason I box squat more is all mental, (knowing I wont get stuck below parallel). Thank you guys knowing your supposed to squat more w/o the box will help me fix the problem.

I can probably guarantee you aren't at parallel. If you are squatting above 14 inches.. you are past parallel. You also may be rocking off the box when you raise up as well.

My box squat 1 inch below is 530, and my max squat is 575.

[sohard88]

Originally Posted by Fullback7

I can probably guarantee you aren't at parallel. If you are squatting above 14 inches.. you are past parallel. You also may be rocking off the box when you raise up as well.

My box squat 1 inch below is 530, and my max squat is 575.

yeah I think the box is like a little above parallel its one of those grocery plastic boxes, but its not by much. Im not sure if I rock or not I probably do. Anyway thank you for posting in this thread, I was hoping you would answer. I need to find something lower to box squat off then, I think a normal bench should be a little below parallel.

[Snowman723]

Mine are Equal...

[xchampx]

Originally Posted by sohard88

yeah me too I can squat 260 and box squat probably 280.

what? u should be able to box squat way higher. when i was in highschool i squatted 365 regular and box squatted 500 u feel like your backs about to break

[Fullback7]

Originally Posted by xchampx

what? u should be able to box squat way higher. when i was in highschool i squatted 365 regular and box squatted 500 u feel like your backs about to break

Then you must really be doing something wrong. If you have that much pressure in your back, then there is no way you can box 500, and only 365.. Your body would not be used to weight. You must of had an extremely large high box in order to carry the extra load.

[jgood]

I think you can do more back squat at least how I'm looking at it and how it feels. When I do a back squat at the bottom of the squat you get kind of a bounce which gets you moving upward .... on the box squat it eliminates that bounce assuming that the box is stiff and won't give when you get on it. Both are good for you though because even if there is no difference the box squat teaches you correct form and distance in squatting for the times when you will not use the box.

[Bigpoppa-JD]

On bellow parrallel back squats I can do 455 3x with good form. But when I go on box squats ive actually done 540 somthing for 2 reps with good form. So im going to agree with the people who say you should be doing allot more on box squats. And the box wasnt much higher MAYBE an inch above parallel for me.

[Doyl888]

Originally Posted by Bigpoppa-JD

On bellow parrallel back squats I can do 455 3x with good form. But when I go on box squats ive actually done 540 somthing for 2 reps with good form. So im going to agree with the people who say you should be doing allot more on box squats. And the box wasnt much higher MAYBE an inch above parallel for me.

this is where the problem is with this thread, some people ar talking about parrallell back squat vs parrallell box squat, or one parrallell one atg, or one atg and one above parallell... of course someones gonna do more if the distances are different by like 5 inches

[tomahawk1984]

You should definately have a bigger back squat than box squat to the same depth, if you squat 1" below parrallel then this should be bigger than your box squat off a 1" below parallel box.

[northlft]

Box squats are done incorrectly about 80% of the time. Most people load up way too much weight and either bounce off of a box and lose complete lock of their lower back, or use a box that is too high just so they look strong and can impress people. I would much rather prefer a parallel squat done correctly over a box squat.

[Fullback7]

Originally Posted by northlft

Box squats are done incorrectly about 80% of the time. Most people load up way too much weight and either bounce off of a box and lose complete lock of their lower back, or use a box that is too high just so they look strong and can impress people. I would much rather prefer a parallel squat done correctly over a box squat.

very true, but if you know how to do box squats they heavily outweigh the beneifts of regular squats. I think a lot of people are confusing the depth of parallel. It is much lower than what their coach says is right when they max out on their squat. I also think a lot of these guys think that a bench is parallel which is what I assume most use for box squats. I am a little over 6'0, and a 13 inch box is parallel for me. For most 14 inches will be parallel, yet most are using a box around 18-20 inches such as a bench.

[LG71]

Originally Posted by thaphoenix

the vertical jump is primarily a quad dominat maneuvre, and the atg squat would be a better for the vj in that sense, but the the box squat recruits much more fast twitch musles, and also alot of people have muslce imbalances in the posterior chain wich also contributes to the vertical jump, so it really depends on what you need.

wrong, glutes major determinant

[xchampx]

Originally Posted by Fullback7

Then you must really be doing something wrong. If you have that much pressure in your back, then there is no way you can box 500, and only 365.. Your body would not be used to weight. You must of had an extremely large high box in order to carry the extra load.

the box was low enough for my legs to be parallel. im not e stating just sayin

[JerG]

Originally Posted by Fullback7

very true, but if you know how to do box squats they heavily outweigh the beneifts of regular squats. I think a lot of people are confusing the depth of parallel. It is much lower than what their coach says is right when they max out on their squat. I also think a lot of these guys think that a bench is parallel which is what I assume most use for box squats. I am a little over 6'0, and a 13 inch box is parallel for me. For most 14 inches will be parallel, yet most are using a box around 18-20 inches such as a bench.

Do you know how high a normal bench is? I only tried box squats once ever, and that was with a normal bench. I think it was about parallel...

[Kiknskreem]

Originally Posted by JerG

Do you know how high a normal bench is? I only tried box squats once ever, and that was with a normal bench. I think it was about parallel...

A competition bench will be about 17".

If you are squatting and box squatting to the same depth, you will free squat more as you have the ability to utilize a stretch reflex.

[Fullback7]

Originally Posted by JerG

Do you know how high a normal bench is? I only tried box squats once ever, and that was with a normal bench. I think it was about parallel...

Anywhere from 17-20 inches. For most people thats around 4-7 inches above parallel. Benches are way above parallel.

[RobsterX71]

just 'cause were all tryin to throw in their max's i should add i regular squat 395 and box squat 850 "j/k", so i guess there is a little improvement, lol