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    Post Side effects of L-Arginine + L-Ornithine supplement? Help please, reps.

    I've been doing a bit of research on L-arginine and L-ornithine amino acids and have discovered that together, they have the capabilities of triggering the production of "HGH - Human Growth Hormone" our body's natural growth method.

    I'm looking to grow taller and am interested in taking this supplement to trigger HGH.

    Possible supplements include:
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/now/argo.html
    and
    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/tl/arg-orn.html



    Please reply with any past experiences or knowledgeable comments


    Thanks for your time.



    (This is not a repost of my other thread about "Growth-Flex", growth flex is a different supplement)
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    They MAY be able to stimulate GH levels, but it would probably be minimal at best--certainly not enough to make you taller.
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    repped, bump for more replies.
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    Originally Posted by ownage786 View Post
    I'm looking to grow taller and am interested in taking this supplement to trigger HGH.
    Once again.... your objective cannot be achieved with an OTC supplement.

    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    There is absolutely no OTC supplement that will noticeably help you achieve your goal, following epiphyseal plate closure. Synthetic GH secretagogues would likely be the only effective (and VERY expensive) option, prior to epiphyseal fusion.... but even then you would have needed more time.
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    Repped for your continued replies. Thanks for your help mate, but by saying this, are you saying that ALL supplements which came to help vertical growth (OTC) are lies...?
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    Originally Posted by ownage786 View Post
    Repped for your continued replies. Thanks for your help mate, but by saying this, are you saying that ALL supplements which came to help vertical growth (OTC) are lies...?
    The truth blatantly speaks for itself. I would suggest reading and/or commenting in the following thread....

    growth hormone: Why are we trying to enhance it, and... Is it even working?
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    How can anyone tell how effective it really is? I mean sure it might help a little, but how do you know it actually helped and that it wasnt just genetics that made you taller?

    BTW thats a question and my logical response, not a smart a$$ answer.
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    I have read your main points, and realize that they are directed to full grown adults. I read elsewhere that if one is still growing (puberty - 21 for males) HGH also helps vertical growth :S
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    Originally Posted by Chris_724 View Post
    How can anyone tell how effective it really is? I mean sure it might help a little, but how do you know it actually helped and that it wasnt just genetics that made you taller?

    BTW thats a question and my logical response, not a smart a$$ answer.

    I would judge that on the fact that i have not grown much within the last year.
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    Originally Posted by Chris_724 View Post
    How can anyone tell how effective it really is? I mean sure it might help a little, but how do you know it actually helped and that it wasnt just genetics that made you taller?

    BTW thats a question and my logical response, not a smart a$$ answer.
    if you wan't to know if gh is working you'll feel an arthritic response in your wrists and hands.
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    Originally Posted by iw1 View Post
    if you wan't to know if gh is working you'll feel an arthritic response in your wrists and hands.
    really? i've never heard of that...

    (hope you're not being sarcastic :P )
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    Originally Posted by ownage786 View Post
    really? i've never heard of that...

    (hope you're not being sarcastic :P )
    no sarcasim at all. but i'm talking about synthetic gh. but think about this for a moment males who take 2iu's of gh are generally don't see any real benifit until 4-6 months and aside from weight loss or the ability to bulk and stay lean you'll not see much other benifit from it except a lighter wallet
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    Originally Posted by Chris_724 View Post
    How can anyone tell how effective it really is? I mean sure it might help a little, but how do you know it actually helped and that it wasnt just genetics that made you taller?

    BTW thats a question and my logical response, not a smart a$$ answer.
    The only way to tell would be to do a study consisting of multiple sets of identical twins (with identical genetics). Twins have all the luck when it comes to getting $$$ for clinical studies.
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    Originally Posted by mwatson View Post
    The only way to tell would be to do a study consisting of multiple sets of identical twins (with identical genetics). Twins have all the luck when it comes to getting $$$ for clinical studies.
    Even in the case of identical twins one is often taller, or they are different in some way. But I guess that would still be the most accurate way to do that
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    Please, lets try to stay on topic... is it safe to take Arginine + Ornithine as a supplement for possible triggering of HGH
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    Well I am no doctor, but I think a dose as recommended by the company should not harm you.
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    Originally Posted by ownage786 View Post
    is it safe to take Arginine + Ornithine as a supplement for possible triggering of HGH
    Is it safe?.... Yes, without question. Will it do anything noticable?....



    Originally Posted by ownage786 View Post
    I read elsewhere that if one is still growing (puberty - 21 for males) HGH also helps vertical growth :S
    Epiphyseal plate closure often occurs at ages as early as 16 yrs, so it is quite possible that the plate has been entirely ossified already.

    More importantly, OTC supplements will only elicit an acute GH response. There is absolutely no OTC supplement that can enhance GH pulse frequency and/or amplitude (which is the exact reason your goal is unachievable).
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    Originally Posted by iw1 View Post
    no sarcasim at all. but i'm talking about synthetic gh. but think about this for a moment males who take 2iu's of gh are generally don't see any real benifit until 4-6 months and aside from weight loss or the ability to bulk and stay lean you'll not see much other benifit from it except a lighter wallet
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    Ratio of Arginine to Ornithine

    Originally Posted by NO HYPE View Post
    Is it safe?.... Yes, without question. Will it do anything noticable?





    Epiphyseal plate closure often occurs at ages as early as 16 yrs, so it is quite possible that the plate has been entirely ossified already.

    More importantly, OTC supplements will only elicit an acute GH response. There is absolutely no OTC supplement that can enhance GH pulse frequency and/or amplitude (which is the exact reason your goal is unachievable).


    Does anyone know what the ratio of Arginine to Ornithine should be taken, I am currently taking 1000mg Arginine and 2000mg Ornithine, then I saw a combined supplement with 500mg Arginine and 250mg Ornithine which is the opposite ratio, does this mean I'm taking it wrongly?
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