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    Rothschild's plan to shut down the Internet&replace w/100% Govt. control I2 (serious)

    The Elite's Plan For Internet Shutdown
    04-11-2008
    http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=8207
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    As the Internet continues to give rise to the alternative media, the technocrats are getting ready to bring its replacement online. Internet2 also known as "the grid" will have speeds 10,000 times faster than a regular broadband connection. Researchers are set to activate this new network over the summer so they can use it to collect information from a supercollider that they hope will recreate the big bang and the conditions that lead to the creation of the universe. Some believe that this experiment might cause the inadvertent destruction of the planet, but that's another story. Unlike the Internet which was established off of existing telecommunications infrastructure, the Internet2 will be based entirely off of fiber-optics.


    It will take seconds to download full length feature films and even transmitting holographic images will be made possible. Even though these capabilities sound really good, there has been a continuing effort by the establishment to censor and stifle the free flow of information on the existing Internet. By convincing everyone to make the move from the Internet to Internet2, the establishment will be able to force all of Internet2's users into abiding by a new set of rules.


    Social networking sites like Digg and MySpace already appear to be beta tests for a more controlled version of the Internet. On these sites, users have to register with the site and play by the rules of the site controllers. There have been numerous complaints by users on both sites that certain material is deliberately censored. Digg which claims that it is some sort of digital democracy has failed miserably in every aspect. Groups of users affectionately known as the "bury brigade" have been caught red handed censoring particular stories including ones related to 9/11 truth and other subjects that the site controllers see as taboo.


    Some researchers believe that the new Internet will be so fast that people will eventually trust all of their information to the network itself. The following is taken from a MemphisRap.Com article on Internet2.


    According to Ian Bird, project leader for CERN's high-speed computing project, grid technology could make the Internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the Internet. Users would use the new "Cloud computing" as a common way to organize personal and private information that would be stored on the Grid and accessible from any where.


    If the establishment is successful in convincing the people of the world to put all of their personal and private information on this network, this will be the equivalent of Big Brother on steroids. The establishment is not going to make the same mistake with Internet2 as they did with the original Internet. The Internet has provided people more freedom than they had ever could have imagined and they certainly can't have anymore of that. The people behind Internet2 are large universities, government agencies and multinational corporations. Now, would it be in their best interest to allow Internet2 to have the same freedoms and free flow of information that the Internet currently has? Absolutely not. Below is taken from the "About Us" page of the Internet2 consortium.


    Internet2 is a not-for-profit advanced networking consortium comprising of more than 200 U.S. universities in cooperation with 70 leading corporations, 45 government agencies, laboratories and other institutions of higher learning as well as over 50 international partner organizations. Our organization is governed by an executive Board of Trustees and strategic councils consisting of leaders who represent our broad membership.


    A new network infrastructure will be built for Internet2 and there are already stories propagandizing how the increase of video sharing on the Internet means that it will be overloaded in a few years. This is absolute bull, as all they'd have to do is upgrade the existing network infrastructure currently used on the Internet. Instead, they want to get everybody to move over to Internet2 that will have different rules set by the corporations, universities and government agencies behind the Internet2 project. Another words, it will be a faster Internet that is heavily policed and regulated by the establishment.


    Overall, Internet2 or "the grid" is definitely something to watch out for. By moving to a new network the establishment can claim that they are not censoring the Internet by getting people to move to the Internet2 system voluntarily. If the establishment has its way, it is very likely that Internet2 will be heavily policed and censored. We must not allow this to happen.
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    Rothschild's plan to shut down the Internet (deadly serious)

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    Doomsday For The Internet As We Know It?
    Paul Joseph Watson
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    February 6 2006

    "Several developments that are coming to the fore indicate a noticeable advance towards a government regulated, taxed and controlled system that spells doomsday for the Internet as we know it.


    The first steps in a move to charge for every e mail sent have already been taken. Under the pretext of eliminating spam, Bill Gates and other industry chieftains have proposed Internet users buy credit stamps which denote how many e mails they will be able to send. This of course is the death knell for political newsletters and mailing lists.


    The New York Times reports that "America Online and Yahoo, two of the world's largest providers of e-mail accounts, are about to start using a system that gives preferential treatment to messages from companies that pay from 1/4 of a cent to a penny each to have them delivered. The senders must promise to contact only people who have agreed to receive their messages, or risk being blocked entirely."


    The end game is a system similar to China, whereby no websites even mildly critical of the government will be authorized.


    The Pentagon admitted that they would engage in psychological warfare and cyber attacks on 'enemy' Internet websites in an attempt to shut them down. The fact that the NSA surveillance program spied on 5,000 Americans tells us that the enemy is the alternative media and that it will be targeted for elimination. Court cases are pending after the Bush administration demanded the Google search terms of American citizens.


    The first wave will simply attempt to price people out of using the conventional Internet and force people over to Internet 2, a state regulated hub where permission will need to be obtained directly from an FCC or government bureau to set up a website.


    The original Internet will then be turned into a mass surveillance database and marketing tool. The Nation magazine reported last week, "Verizon, Comcast, Bell South and other communications giants are developing strategies that would track and store information on our every move in cyberspace in a vast data-collection and marketing system, the scope of which could rival the National Security Agency.


    According to white papers now being circulated in the cable, telephone and telecommunications industries, those with the deepest pockets--corporations, special-interest groups and major advertisers--would get preferred treatment. Content from these providers would have first priority on our computer and television screens, while information seen as undesirable, such as peer-to-peer communications, could be relegated to a slow lane or simply shut out."


    We see a move to demonize the Internet and tar its reputation. AOL is running ads equating Internet users with terrorists. In the next few years we may see a staged Internet shutdown which is blamed on cyber terrorists.


    For the aspiring dictator, the Internet is a dangerous tool that has been seized by the enemy. We have come a long way since 1969, when the ARPANET was created solely for US government use. The Internet is freedom's best friend and the bane of control freaks. Its eradication is one of the short term goals of those that seek to centralize power and subjugate the world under a global surveillance panopticon prison."
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    Rothschild's plan to shut down the Internet (deadly serious)

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    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/09...rnet_end_nigh/

    The end of the internet is nigh
    The Register | September 28 2004

    "FLASHBACK: 'Internet 2' Would Act as 'Security Buffer' For World Wide Web


    BT's Graham Whitehead has told the Irish Internet Association's Congress that the internet is dying, but that the future for broadband and networked technology is bright.


    In a keynote speech during proceedings at Clontarf Castle, Dublin, BT Exact's principal consultant said that the anarchic and hazardous nature of the public internet meant that companies were now constructing supervised private IP networks. These private networks would be able to handle the amount of traffic that would be generated when broadband was ubiquitous, phone networks were IP-based, and common household objects had their own IP addresses.


    "The internet is dead, or dying; it's full of viruses, worms and porn, you have to wear a kevlar suit before you go online," he said. "BT is creating a private network, which will be joined to other private networks, to which we will add voice over IP."


    He said that the relatively low rate of broadband uptake in the UK, where there are 3 million DSL and 1.5 million cable broadband subscribers, is due to the fact that people don't see a need for broadband in their daily lives. He said that the evolution of data networks into always-on real-time access (AORTA) networks would lead to an increased number of networked devices in the home.


    He predicted a future where washing machines, TVs, security systems and other electronically-controlled systems would all be networked, controlled and maintained by a virtual domestic supervisor. He even predicted the low-cost household items, such as tins of beans, would also have their own individual IP addresses, using the IPv6 protocol. This would allow intelligent supermarket shelves to order additional stock when required and would allow intelligent kitchen shelves to know whether or not an additional tin of beans is required.


    Whitehead said technology would be driven by demographic changes in society, as the average household size falls towards one person per domestic unit and people turn to virtual communities for company and services. Robots would also be required to carry out tasks for which no humans are available. "Who do you think will be there to push your wheelchair around a nursing home, when we're not producing enough young people who will want to do that kind of thing?" he concluded."
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    again more loosely constructed bull**** with very few facts from Anti_Illuminati. Do you ever get tired of not using your own brain?

    Where is the name Rothschild even mentioned? Where is proof of these threatening new rules the second internet will have? Where is proof of anything? It's more conspiracy bull**** from people who masturbate to Alex Jones.
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    Rothschild's plan to shut down the Internet (deadly serious)

    Notice that this article is from May 15th, 2006

    Verizon, AT&T persist with 'Clogged Internet' Disinformation

    "The Internet just can't handle video! That's the "Chicken Little" cry from AT&T and Verizon, whose technically suspect message found a home in an Associated Press story that is sure to get huge play, even though it's mostly just self-serving spin for the telcos' tiered Internet plans. Question: Can the blogosphere shoot this one down? Or will overall ignorance and big-media influence carry the day?


    I actually watched the seeds of this story get planted, when AT&T's Jim Cicconi and Verizon's Tom Tauke trotted out this same story line in an exclusive briefing with reporters at the TelecomNEXT show in late March. Peter Svensson, the AP reporter who wrote the current story, was at that same briefing and apparently bought into the Bells' line enough to put together the story on today's wire that carries the unfortunate headline "High-Def Could Choke Internet, ISPs Fear."


    Never mind that Svensson does try to balance the argument a bit -- he basically buys the Verizon-AT&T-BellSouth line that gosh, if people start watching high-quality video, the Internet will get all clogged up. What's funny is that the story paints the biggest problem -- the fact that the ILECs' networks simply aren't built to handle always-on connections -- as something that is only a problem because of the unrealistic expectations of users.


    An interesting data point from the story is that ILECs are typically using one T-1 (1 Mbps) to handle every 40 DSL accounts -- an oversubscribed model that works well with voice calls, but not for the "Your world. Delivered." broadband plans that AT&T and Verizon advertise. In other words, they are betting you won't use the full pipe you pay for, and if you do, they want to charge you more.


    (Now do you understand the need for net neutrality rules?)

    To quote, from the AP story:

    Oversubscription doesn't present a problem as long as people are using the Internet for Web surfing, e-mail and the occasional file download. But if everyone in a neighborhood is trying to download the evening news at the same time, it's not going to work.

    "The plain truth is that today's access and backbone networks simply do not have the capacity to deliver all that customers expect," according to Tom Tauke, Verizon Communications Inc.'s top lobbyist.


    Never mind that Verizon's advertising claims "Our speeds are extreme. Our prices are hot." According to Tauke, the backbone can't back up Verizon's advertising. Attention lawyers! Is there a truth-in-advertising suit out there somewhere?


    The story goes on to say that the ILECs are considering adding a data download ceiling, above which customers would pay extra fees -- much like cell phone plans, which charge you more for using minutes beyond your "package" amount.


    Sounds simple, right? Everyone understands cell phones and "minutes," even though most cell plans these days (even from Verizon and AT&T) are going the other direction, to all-you-can-eat plans. The key for the telcos is to get Congress to buy into the line that "The Internet isn't built for video, so we have to charge people more to pay for all the new, big, fat pipes."


    There are, of course, many problems with this scenario, and in the story Svensson only touches on one, outlined by Dave Burstein, who is quoted as saying the Bells will probably use any extra income to beef up the new video infrastructure, while keeping the old Internet-access setup in its shared mode even though it would become increasingly cheap to upgrade it, given the rapid technological advancements in networking gear.


    There's also the still-underreported facts coming out of the Internet2 experiment, where the people who run that network keep saying that if you just increase end-user bandwidth connections to 100 Mbps, all the "choking" problems in the network go away, with no special treatment needed for video like AT&T and Verizon claim.


    I'm sure there are more holes to poke in the telcos' argument, but right now they have the power of the Associated Press on their side to spread their disinformation. Question is, can the blogosphere jump on this one and help get it right before more people read something that's painfully wrong?


    Posted by paul at May 15, 2006 09:47 AM
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    You're not a network engineer, are you Paul?

    If you have a really highspeed backbone, as Internet2 has, the access pipes are the bottleneck. When you upgrade them, the backbone becomes the bottleneck and you have to upgrade it, and the you're back where you started.

    QoS manages a finite pool of bandwidth, regardless of the size of the pipes.

    The AP story is substantially correct. Packet networks are all over-subcribed, that's their whole point.

    Posted by: Richard Bennett at May 15, 2006 02:52 PM

    Um, Internet2 backbone is at 10Gig. Think that will sustain for a bit.

    My point is that the AT&T argument is all wet -- we don't need prioritization, just need upgrades to the pipes. Is it the users' fault that telcos are relying on oversubscribing as a business model?


    And -- as I've posted before -- without transparency into the telcos' service offerings, there's no way of telling that QoS is even being used. That is why there should be regulations, just like for other commodities, so that customers can be assured they are getting what they paid for (and what the service providers are advertising).


    Posted by: paul at May 15, 2006 02:58 PM

    We just need upgrades to which pipes? And who pays for them?

    The Internet is a packet network, and all packet networks are over-subscribed by design. Over-subscription is not an accident, it's not a conspiracy, it's not wicked capitalists stifling freedom, it's the essential idea around the design of packet networks.


    It's real easy to tell if your network supplies QoS or not: you examine packets with the appropriate tool, and you can measure performance. Network engineers to this stuff every day.


    Posted by: Richard Bennett at May 15, 2006 03:43 PM


    Upgrades to all pipes. If there is real competition for the right-of-way to my house, I am confident that a service provider will pay for the cable/fiber/antenna install in exchange for a committed (year, 2-year) contract from me. That's what happens now. Once on the Internet, I can go anywhere I want, pick the services I choose. I am also confident that content providers will want to spend on their infrastructure to ensure the best delivery, lowest latency, etc., possible.


    Richard, you ARE a network engineer -- read your bio -- so why not entertain the idea advanced by Bob Kahn, among others, to build "public" COs where any service provider who wants can offer a service? Or Reed Hundt's idea to connect every business and residence to the net via fiber? Estimated cost, $20 billion. Cheap compared to what we spend in Iraq.


    Hundt's plan isn't for the government to build it -- but instead contract out to whoever makes a competitive bid. Let AT&T build it, and keep 50 percent of the pipe, then open up the other half for real competition. Why not entertain some alternate technical ideas instead of just saying "net neutrality bad?" Or on saying that all networks have to be oversubscribed? Oversubscription seems to be the idea that has led to the current not-enough-bandwidth problem.


    NetWare over Unix sounded like a good idea too, didn't it? Too bad that new idea wasn't embraced in time to see if it could work. And we all remember the success of the AT&T NetWare Connect Service! There's real QoS for you.


    C'mon, Richard, be part of the solution. Think different, suggest ways to improve the network without trusting the telcos. Sure, we could all run network analyzers every day and sift packets on our own, like real men. Of course, we could all go to the supermarket and test the beef and chicken for mad cow. Or, we could all test the gasoline to make sure the Ethanol levels are correct. Sometimes, regulation isn't a bad thing. [Continued below]
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    Posted by: paul at May 15, 2006 04:01 PM

    Netware doesn't have much to do with any of this, one way or he other. It was a fine little system that performed well, but its day is done.


    Regulation not informed by knowledge and experience is generally a bad thing, Paul, and the network neutrality movement is driven by fear and ignorance.


    Packet networks are over-subscribed by design. They're successful because they're cheaper to build than the old circuit-switched networks, and they're cheaper because of the very resource sharing that leads to meltdown if they're over-used. It's a tragedy of the commons thing.


    Any big network needs to manage bandwidth to keep resource hogs from ruining everybody elses day. That's life.


    Posted by: Richard Bennett at May 15, 2006 04:57 PM


    Hmm, no response to "what about new types of networks" question. Guess we need to find others to have an educated discussion on new networks.


    As to Network Neutrality being driven by fear and ignorance... actually it's being led by some pretty smart and confident folks, including my employer, Jeff Pulver. Wouldn't call him fearful or ignorant. Jeffrey Citron at Vonage -- you may not agree with his business model, but ignorant? Nope. Not fearful either. But he's calling for a Broadband Bill of Rights because he's seen blocking of his company's service first hand. And the rule that let the FCC punish that service provider doesn't exist anymore.


    Michael Powell -- originator of the Internet Freedoms ideas. Last we checked, he had a pretty good grasp on these things. Larry Lessig -- pretty smart there, wouldn't want to call him ignorant in public. But you go right ahead.


    Vint Cerf? Also a smart person. And even Alyssa Milano -- who you, among others, thinks it's OK to make fun of -- a successful actor and small businessperson who is using the Internet to join the debate. But go ahead, make fun of her because she's popular. That's a valid way to argue, right? Funny, right?


    As for packet networks -- since you ARE a network engineer, can you tell me how networks in Japan, Korea, Europe, etc. etc., are offering 100 Mbps symmetrical to their users? Are those oversubscribed? Or are they just big enough (for now!) so that provisioning and QoS don't matter so much? Are folk there being kicked off the network for "using too much bandwidth?"


    And... am I a "resource hog" if I want to use the entire 7 Mbps downstream that Comcast sells me?


    I would have no problem if Comcast, Verizon, etc. admit that their networks can't support their advertising, and change their messages to "buy access from us, and we can't tell you how much bandwidth you can have." I'm sure the prices they'd be able to charge would fall too.


    Still waiting to hear what the better alternative is!

    Posted by: paul at May 15, 2006 05:21 PM

    Paul, it's not going to be productive to discuss new networks with you until you get a clue about how today's networks operate, and why.

    You're all surprised to learn that HDTV streaming has the potential to choke this network that we have today, and shocked that it doesn't have the bandwidth to instantly pump 1000 times more traffic.

    Gosh.

    You mention some smart people, some dumb people, and some people I've never heard of such as this Pulver character. It's not the case, however, that the people you list as supporters of your side are actually in favor of Internet regulation.


    Michael Powell, for example, has come out in opposition to the Markey Amendment; Lessig has been silent on it, and Lessig's boy Tim Wu argues against that sort of thing in his Neutrality essay. Vonage is just asking for non-blocking, which COPE gives them, and Cerf is simply doing Google's bidding, as one would expect since Google pays him, so that pretty well just leaves you with Alyssa Milano.


    I'll stipulate she's a hot little tart, but I don't see her name on any networking standards.

    Posted by: Richard Bennett at May 15, 2006 05:55 PM


    Richard, glad you have anointed yourself keeper of those who know all about networks. I guess I don't see Ed Whitacre's name on any networking standards either but since he has billions (and who knows how many "consultants" on his payrolls) I guess he can play in your sandbox.

    In the meantime, since you still feel compelled to show your own simplistic take on things maybe I can help broaden your education:

    On HDTV: When somebody is out there offering multiple HDTV streams, please let me know. Odds are the content will carry caveats, like most Internet video used to (some still does, asking users to pick download speeds to help ensure a quality experience). And odds are if someone really has a commercial reason to provide HDTV over a small pipe, they might try to do something on their end -- content caches, multiple geographical servers -- Bittorrent for non-streaming content -- to help matters. Point out to me where I said I was shocked by anything, other than the Bells' ability to obfuscate. I heard AT&T's side, and I heard the Internet2 side, which (and this was a network engineer talking) say that at 100 Mbps to the desktop they found they didn't need QoS or any special provisioning to do streaming HD conferencing. That, I guess, would be from a smart person by your definition.


    Powell isn't against Markey or Net neutrality per se (last time I talked to him), he just thinks it doesn't make sense to battle the Bells head-on in a lobbying fight. Have to agree with him there. He also said he wasn't happy with the way the FCC de-fanged his freedoms by adding the caveats about how the rules matter unless the network operator decides they don't. Unless you've talked to Michael more recently than I have, you're wrong.


    Lessig may be "silent" on the same amendment but it's hardly the only thing being said on the topic. In fact, he gave a very impassioned presentation at the most recent VON show in San Jose, the event run by Jeff Pulver and our company, pulvermedia. (If you need help using Google to find "Jeff Pulver," let me know and I can probably talk you through it even though I'm not a network engineer).


    Unlike the Bells, who get all their troops to march lockstep, people on my "side" seem to be interested in finding the best way forward, not one way or the way AT&T says is right. Can't really answer for Tim Wu but he's just one of a bunch of smart people who have given this a lot of thought. Another is Martin Geddes, who actually argues against net neutrality legislation, but is very in favor of open networks. Maybe the idea of multiple people having different opinions is confusing to you; it's so much easier when everyone just picks a side, right?

    And Vint Cerf -- well, gosh, all he and Bob Kahn did was pioneer all this packet networking and TCP/IP stuff you seem to know so much about. Funny, they never mention your name when I talk to them. But yeah, Vint probably just spouts whatever Google wants him to -- instead of the other way around, like Eric Schmidt saying he defers to Vint on this argument because Vint knows this stuff cold. Vint, by the way, was one of the people who thinks the AT&T/QoS video plan is "crap," something he told me last week when I interviewed him. So can he argue with you, if I'm not qualified?


    As far as Alyssa Milano goes, I've not talked to her so I'm not sure how much she knows about networking. But thanks to your last comment about her, we can all see what a cretin you are. Back to the cave, dude."

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    EU to punish incitement to terrorism on Internet

    EU to punish incitement to terrorism on Internet
    Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:56pm EDT


    "LUXEMBOURG (Reuters) - EU states agreed on Friday on tight laws against incitement to terrorism in order to clamp down on militant groups' use of the Internet. EU justice and interior ministers also agreed in Luxembourg on an action plan to try to stop groups getting explosives.


    Police say the Internet has taken on huge importance for militants, enabling them to share know-how, plan operations and spread propaganda to a mass audience. "The Internet is used to inspire and mobilize local terrorists ... functioning as a virtual training camp," a text agreed by ministers said.


    "Each member state shall take the necessary measures to ensure that terrorist-linked offences include ... public provocation to commit a terrorist offence, recruitment for terrorism, training for terrorism." States may also consider attempts to train and recruit as terrorist offences, but are not obliged to do so, an EU official said.


    Spain's secretary of state for justice, Julio Perez Hernandez, welcomed the move. "The battle to anticipate (terrorist acts) is crucial for Spain," he told reporters. "One should not wait for smoke to know there is terrorism." In an effort to assuage civil rights campaigners, the law says that the new measure may not be used to restrict freedom of expression and freedom of the press.


    Before entering into force, the law still needs to be confirmed by ministers after a number of national parliaments have discussed it. A European Commission official said countries like Spain and Italy already punish public provocation to terrorism but others, like Scandinavian countries, would have to change their legislation to apply the new EU text.


    Under the plan to enhance the security of explosives, ministers agreed to establish an early-warning system on stolen explosives and detonators by the end of the year. They also agreed to create by the year-end a "European Bomb Data System" that would give police and governments permanent access to information on incidents involving explosive devices."


    (Reporting by Ingrid Melander; Editing by David Brunnstrom and Richard Meares)

    http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...89698320080418


    LUXEMBOURG - European justice and interior ministers agreed Friday to strengthen EU anti-terror rules, to make the incitement of violence and recruiting people for attacks criminal offenses across the 27-nation bloc.


    They also agreed on separate plans for tighter controls on the use and sale of explosives and detonators. The agreement updates 2002 EU anti-terror laws and makes it easier for police to shut down Web sites peddling terrorist propaganda and bomb-making instructions and to hunt down those training potential terrorists.


    "The new legislation will make it easier for law enforcement authorities to get cooperation from Internet service providers (and) to prevent crimes," the EU said in a statement. While most of the EU's 27 nations already had such rules on their national lawbooks, the EU regulation will standardize definitions of the crimes involved, making it easier for police to hunt down suspects in cross-border investigations.


    The 27-nation bloc set up Europe-wide anti-terror laws after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, to ensure extremist groups did not benefit from legal loopholes between EU nations. The new amendments will make recruitment or "public provocation" to commit violent attacks punishable offenses.


    Separately the EU ministers agreed to set up a European database to monitor cases of stolen explosives. It will be run by the EU's policing agency, Europol, as part of an early warning system that would also monitor who buys certain essential parts like detonators or wiring needed to build bombs.


    Most EU nations pushed the European Commission to update the 2002 law to take into account new tactics used by extremist groups in Europe. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24200305/
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    Originally Posted by Al3xk View Post
    again more loosely constructed bull**** with very few facts from Anti_Illuminati. Do you ever get tired of not using your own brain?

    Where is the name Rothschild even mentioned? Where is proof of these threatening new rules the second internet will have? Where is proof of anything? It's more conspiracy bull**** from people who masturbate to Alex Jones.

    Your a f.ucking idiot, Rothschild has NEVER been mentioned on TV in my entire life for a reason, that's because your not supposed to know he EXISTS as far as the mainstream media is concerned (including his family's wealth which is hundreds of trillions of dollars). Who the f.uck do you think engineered the devaluing of the dollar and the financial crisis in the U.S., housing market, et.al.? No **** the article doesn't mention his ****ing name, DUH. Same with the Bilderberg Group with almost as much secrecy.
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    Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    This thread is official FAIL!

    Your a 21 year old yuppie who doesn't even have a f.ucking clue who runs the world and you've never read a House or Senate bill in your life, so go f.uck yourself and enjoy your death you piece of trash. The Government has been taken over by foreign corporations and elite bankers and they want all of us DEAD and you have the audacity to type F.UCKING "FAIL" WHEN I'M TRYING TO WARN YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE.
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    I call bull****. I read your first post in its entirety. The people who you say have bad intentions with making "internet 2" are the same people who designed the original internet. The government, scientists, and universities. Fail.
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    Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati View Post
    Your a f.ucking idiot, Rothschild has NEVER been mentioned on TV in my entire life for a reason, that's because your not supposed to know he EXISTS as far as the mainstream media is concerned (including his family's wealth which is hundreds of trillions of dollars). Who the f.uck do you think engineered the devaluing of the dollar and the financial crisis in the U.S., housing market, et.al.? No **** the article doesn't mention his ****ing name, DUH. Same with the Bilderberg Group with almost as much secrecy.
    So show me some proof of the bull**** you spew. You're not better than a zealous theist.

    Person A: What about some proof man? That's all very loosely connected with little to none foundation...
    Person B: THATS JUST HOW IT IS MAN. THEY KEEP IT ALL SECRET. YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.
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    Originally Posted by Al3xk View Post
    So show me some proof of the bull**** you spew. You're not better than a zealous theist.

    Person A: What about some proof man? That's all very loosely connected with little to none foundation...
    Person B: THATS JUST HOW IT IS MAN. THEY KEEP IT ALL SECRET. YOU HAVE TO TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.
    That's almost exactly what I said in his neg. He needs to make an original thread with cited works. I ain't reading 10 friggin articles about the "Elitist's." I want to read an original post with facts, scripts, videos, statistics, investments etc, etc. Until then, all of this is pure speculation.
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    Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati View Post
    The Government has been taken over by foreign corporations and elite bankers and they want all of us DEAD
    I agree .. though, I don't know about wanting us all dead. lol.

    It's always been like this, though; the rich have always controlled things.

    Democracy is, and always has been, just one of their shams; as Karl Marx rightly warned us: we only get to choose which of their respresentatives will repress us.
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    I just wish he would use fukin cliffs. I don't mind reading a little, but damn everything has to be 5 long posts of crap to make a simple point.
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    Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    That's almost exactly what I said in his neg. He needs to make an original thread with cited works. I ain't reading 10 friggin articles about the "Elitist's." I want to read an original post with facts, scripts, videos, statistics, investments etc, etc. Until then, all of this is pure speculation.
    You need to do your own research, mate. I don't mean to seem condescending, just it's a gradual process. A good start would be looking up who the Rothschilds are from your own selected sources.
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    Only 'deadly' serious? I'm not going to worry until it's 'super double-deadly' serious.
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    Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    I ain't reading 10 friggin articles about the "Elitist's."
    That's where YOU FAIL right there, BECAUSE YOU WON'T READ, AND NICE TRY PUTTING ELITISTS IN QUOTES AS IF THEY DON'T EXIST. I read about 100 pages PER DAY of news, your contemptuous attitude toward reading sure as hell isn't going to put the slightest microscopic dent in my confidence that I know what I'm talking about vs. some stupid 21 year old **** faced opinion trying to derail a thread you have absolutely no business responding to after refusing to read. If you don't ALREADY KNOW about the NWO and the total martial law that is coming then there IS NO WAY that you would believe what I posted in this thread.

    Originally Posted by JohnGalt View Post
    I want to read an original post with facts, scripts, videos, statistics, investments etc, etc. Until then, all of this is pure speculation.
    "I want"--you don't want a f.ucking thing except to act tough, act cool, act intellectually superior off of a completely asinine flame bait comment, you don't GIVE A F.UCK and you would act no differently if I had posted everything and MORE than what you pretend to "want". Go f.ucking read S.1959 assh0le and maybe you'll catch a clue. ZERO SPECULATION, ABSOLUTE FACT, IRREFUTABLE PERIOD--DON'T LIKE IT, SHUT YOUR MOUTH AND GO BANG YOUR HEAD AGAINST A WALL.


    The reason they want the Internet locked down and replaced with Internet2 is because they want to SHUT EVERYONE UP WHO'S TALKING ABOUT 9/11 BEING AN INSIDE JOB AND DECLARE US ENEMIES OF THE STATE AND HAVE US ARRESTED AND KILLED, THEY ARE FREAKING THE FUKK OUT HOW BAD THEY ARE GETTING EXPOSED ONLINE, AS WELL AS COUNTLESS OTHER CORRUPTION, POLICE BRUTALITY, PEDOPHILIA AND CHILD SEX RINGS RUN BY THE U.S GOVERNMENT, ALL TALKED ABOUT ONLINE AND NOT IN MAINSTREAM MEDIA, CATCH A F.UCKING CLUE, GO READ FAHRENHEIT 451 AND LEARN SOME RUSSIAN HISTORY ABOUT BOOK BURNING SCUMBAG SON OF A BITCH FA33OT CUM GRIN SMILE COWARD.


    TRY THIS THREAD IF YOU DON'T THINK CANADA IS IN SERIOUS TROUBLE, AND IT *WILL* COME TO THE U.S. I DON'T POST BULL****, I WOULD HAVE NO REASON TO.
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    , GO READ FAHRENHEIT 451 AND LEARN SOME RUSSIAN HISTORY ABOUT BOOK BURNING SCUMBAG SON OF A BITCH FA33OT CUM GRIN SMILE COWARD.
    Have fun in banned camp, retard.
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    Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati View Post
    The end of the internet is nigh
    The Register | September 28 2004
    Since we're coming up on six years since that "proof" article was written... Just wondering if anyone knows when "nigh" is scheduled to occur?
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    Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati View Post
    SCUMBAG SON OF A BITCH FA33OT CUM GRIN SMILE COWARD.
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    best part of your thread,
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    Originally Posted by Anti_Illuminati View Post
    Your a f.ucking idiot, Rothschild has NEVER been mentioned on TV in my entire life for a reason, that's because your not supposed to know he EXISTS as far as the mainstream media is concerned (including his family's wealth which is hundreds of trillions of dollars). Who the f.uck do you think engineered the devaluing of the dollar and the financial crisis in the U.S., housing market, et.al.? No **** the article doesn't mention his ****ing name, DUH. Same with the Bilderberg Group with almost as much secrecy.
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    Since we're coming up on six years since that "proof" article was written... Just wondering if anyone knows when "nigh" is scheduled to occur?
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    You saw his new thread, any minute!
    Actually, it happened during the mid-February "Drill", that was really a false flag attack. We're all stuck in the FEMA death camps, but "they" have total control of the internet, so they're just feeding us false stories that everything is OK...
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    LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

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    nice picture in the OP, other than that, was there any value?
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    lulz. AI has been providing lulz for so long. I like how he threw in a Jewish name to lend credence to it, despite the Rothschilds not being mentioned in the article once.

    why do CT's always pick on the Jews?
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