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    What if you dont get enough fat?

    okay, so I just had a thought that I hope someone can clear up.

    Obviously, ketosis happens without the presence of carbs. To have reach our caloric limits, we use a high fat diet and in ketosis, we are buring dietary fats and body fats

    So lets say we take in less dietary fat and more protein, wont the increased protein prevent muscle loss then in the mean time burn more body fat as opposed to dietary fats?

    For instance, let say you take in 200g protein a day and 150g fat a day....2150 cals. What if you take in 300g protein and 105g fat...approx same amount cals.

    Wont the high protein not allow actualy muscle to be used for energy while with less dietary fats, more body fat will be used?

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    Lol I just made this exact thread in Nutrition!

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    Originally Posted by areya2005 View Post

    For instance, let say you take in 200g protein a day and 150g fat a day....2150 cals. What if you take in 300g protein and 105g fat...approx same amount cals.
    Try this for a week and you'll feel like a chemo patient.
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    i wonder same thing, sometimes i feel like i get more protein then fat, iuno though, i never actually add **** up, as long as i see results
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    I usually get enough protein in, but not near enough fats. Im pretty sure this is the reason Im constantly tired. But, I've lost 10lbs so far, havent lost any strength, and actually stronger on my carb up days.
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    Originally Posted by RU4A69 View Post
    Try this for a week and you'll feel like a chemo patient.
    maybe so, but there is a reason why most pre contest diets are high protein and low-moderate fat. because protein is way more thermogenic than fat. yeah you might feel great and a little high if you are eating 200g of fat per day but that much fat has little thermogenic value. lowering the fat whilst maintaining low carbs is difficult at first, but the body can adjust, and you can live a normal life. incoporating refeeds helps a great deal also.

    i was never able to break the single digit barrier until i switched up my diet. i went from standard keto ratios of 65% fat to anywhere from 15% to 40%. ~50% or more protein, and then I would use up the rest of the cals cycling carbs. of course ymmv, but this is what i have come to after a lot of experimentation.
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    and did that work well for you? I've been doing keto for a month now and my diet is good, keto stiz show in keto, but now fat loss results.....kinda losing hope
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    There is not going to be a significant advantage to having a higher protein to fat ratio. In fact, you would actually be burning up most of that protein in the glucose conversion process and thereby negating any muscle sparing effects it may have. Do keto or don't do keto, but don't try to trick it to get better results.. heh
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    Originally Posted by Never_Back_Down View Post
    There is not going to be a significant advantage to having a higher protein to fat ratio. In fact, you would actually be burning up most of that protein in the glucose conversion process and thereby negating any muscle sparing effects it may have. Do keto or don't do keto, but don't try to trick it to get better results.. heh
    This is right and too much glucose conversion is hard on the kidneys.
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    Originally Posted by Never_Back_Down View Post
    There is not going to be a significant advantage to having a higher protein to fat ratio. In fact, you would actually be burning up most of that protein in the glucose conversion process and thereby negating any muscle sparing effects it may have. Do keto or don't do keto, but don't try to trick it to get better results.. heh
    i tend to disagree. maybe what i did wasnt exactly a "keto" diet, but for me it worked a hell of a lot better. so yes, there was a significant advantage to raising protein.
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    Originally Posted by tosca View Post
    i tend to disagree. maybe what i did wasnt exactly a "keto" diet, but for me it worked a hell of a lot better. so yes, there was a significant advantage to raising protein.
    I was referring to a) the hormonal advantages and b) the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet over a 'high protein, moderate fat, low carb' diet. What you are describing is going to be a diet which forces a lot of protein to glucose conversion which, as Smelly Pits mentioned, is going to be harder on your body.
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    Originally Posted by Never_Back_Down View Post
    I was referring to a) the hormonal advantages and b) the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet over a 'high protein, moderate fat, low carb' diet. What you are describing is going to be a diet which forces a lot of protein to glucose conversion which, as Smelly Pits mentioned, is going to be harder on your body.
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    Originally Posted by Never_Back_Down View Post
    I was referring to a) the hormonal advantages and b) the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet over a 'high protein, moderate fat, low carb' diet. What you are describing is going to be a diet which forces a lot of protein to glucose conversion which, as Smelly Pits mentioned, is going to be harder on your body.
    please enlighten me on the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet compared to say, a 50/40/10 split - pro-fat-carb.
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    Originally Posted by tosca View Post
    please enlighten me on the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet compared to say, a 50/40/10 split - pro-fat-carb.
    I'll tell you what, why don't we both run and get blood tests after a month of your 40/50/10 and my 65/30/5 FPC ratio and we will see whose HSL and PKA levels look better, moreover we'll see whose liver is functioning better at that time.
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    Originally Posted by tosca View Post
    please enlighten me on the metabolic advantages of a pure ketogenic diet compared to say, a 50/40/10 split - pro-fat-carb.
    With this kind of split, there's still a god chance you'll be using fats as fuel, but there's a higher "risk" of you converting the excess protein to carbs, which will slow down fat loss.
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