The Most Alpha Nation in History (WARNING: Controversial)

[Cosmonaut]

Taking bets on what page this thread gets locked.

[Ice-9]

I don't see it that way, he was just one of hundreds of military leaders throughout history who sought to conquer new lands if you look at it from a truly neutral perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ary_commanders

he is no differnt than atilla the hun or julius caeser or alexander the great. They too invaded and killed opposing countries civilians in an effort to expand their countries.

I must have missed the part when reading about both Atilla & Alexander where they killed 6-7m of an already small cultural population and had plans to totally exterminate the rest.

[choppedIT]

[l1fth4rd]

Agreed... the Canadian military takes a lot of heat as we're not nearly as big, but they were trained well, that's for sure.

The Canadians were highly feared among the Germans, both world wars.

No one even recognizes them. But who cares...numbers, and battles don't lie.

[getdiced010]

In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.

Old people most definitely were "taken care of" via euthanization.

[sbmarti2]

I don't see it that way, he was just one of hundreds of military leaders throughout history who sought to conquer new lands if you look at it from a truly neutral perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ary_commanders

he is no differnt than atilla the hun or julius caeser or alexander the great. They too invaded and killed opposing countries civilians in an effort to expand their countries.

I disagree 100%. Nazism isn't based on a country, it is based on a race, which is what primarily makes it different from facism. If you weren't Aryan, you were nothing to Hitler. In most cases with invading armies if you surrender you can at least live... not so much with Hitler.

[Al Shades]

What's sad is that this thread has devolved into a bunch of Europeans or European descendants arguining over whose country is superior.

The entire point of national socialism is to have NO MORE BROTHERS KILLING BROTHERS.

That was Hitler's vision.

Old people most definitely were "taken care of" via euthanization.

LOL. That's like the book, "The Giver". They didn't kill you once you got to a certain age, lmao. What nonsense. They put retards to sleep who were born with 3 eyes and that type of ****.

I disagree 100%. Nazism isn't based on a country, it is based on a race, which is what primarily makes it different from facism. If you weren't Aryan, you were nothing to Hitler. In most cases with invading armies if you surrender you can at least live... not so much with Hitler.

They why was Hitler supported by Japs, Italians, Africans (yes), Turks, Arabs, Greeks, etc...

The fact is, national socialism was not a racist ideology. Very hard for people these days to believe.

[nni]

Old people most definitely were "taken care of" via euthanization.

yeah, not true. germans werent, dissidents and ethnic minorities were.

[choppedIT]

I disagree 100%. Nazism isn't based on a country, it is based on a race, which is what primarily makes it different from facism. If you weren't Aryan, you were nothing to Hitler. In most cases with invading armies if you surrender you can at least live... not so much with Hitler.

Yeah, i get called a nazi a lot. Aryans just got the good genes

[Frannycakes]

lol pronban





America is the most Alpha nation.... we're hated by everyone because it's normal to hate #1.

[nni]

What's sad is that this thread has devolved into a bunch of Europeans or European descendants arguining over whose country is superior.

The entire point of national socialism is to have NO MORE BROTHERS KILLING BROTHERS.

That was Hitler's vision.



LOL. That's like the book, "The Giver". They didn't kill you once you got to a certain age, lmao.

hitler's vision was a world without jews and poles, and a world populated by the master race. you are the one missing the point.

[sbmarti2]

Taking bets on what page this thread gets locked.

I don't think this should be locked. Except for the somewhat tasteless claiming of the Nazi's as the most alpha (retard claim), this has been a rather good debate on WW2 and other historical matters. While it is adult subject matter to be sure, there is very little posting in bad taste.

WW2 is a part of history whether we want to forget about it or not.

[TimmyBoy]

As a final attempt to make an obvious point, we cannot name neither German nor the USA the most alpha because they havent stood the test of time, no matter how much u argue over little points, that 1 will still win. The time test stands strong with only a few civilizations, most prompt being Rome.
I hope some people realize this
later misc.

[stevedarsh]

what do you think, they just burned all there research, they stopped development, that doesnt mean they lost their buildups. they would merely need a little longer to develop them. And your nuke theory sucks hard. America only had 2 developed when it bombed Japan, and the only reason they went down was because they had no ally and thought we had more. Germanys new found territory was much larger and would be like bombing russia twice, it would do nothing. Plus in this genious example of yours, Japan is still in the war, and would get atomic weponry from Germany, aswell and the allies getting it from the USA. It would have been a nuclear war with no victors

The US had nukes lined up at another 15 japanese locations when the first bombs were dropped, do some research artard. The US developed the atom bomb first and could have taken on anybody, full force Germany included singlehandedly at that point, not to mention the fact that the American army was the only one spread out across two oceans covering the entire world and had to bring its troops and equipment to bear halfway around the world in order to use it but were still the X factor in winning the war. America could defeat Germany alone. This is a stupid argument.

[iamtheawesome]

I don't see it that way, he was just one of hundreds of military leaders throughout history who sought to conquer new lands if you look at it from a truly neutral perspective.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ary_commanders

he is no differnt than atilla the hun or julius caeser or alexander the great. They too invaded and killed opposing countries civilians in an effort to expand their countries.

Your argument is kinda off.

None of the men you mentioned in your statement professed the extermination of an entire race of people.

In fact, Alexander the Great practiced a policy of tolerance. He would conquer a land, often allowing the ruler to remain in power as a satrap, and allowing the people to retain their customs and religion, in return for tribute. In many cultures, to this day, he is seen as a liberator.
Atilla, although a great general, was not really a major conquering force, and eventually he bacame what amounts to a governor of a roman province.
Ceasar, again may have conquered lands, but he never supported the mass extermination of any population, as that would have been counter-productive, as rRome did not have enough citizens to repopulate entire conquered areas. These areas would go to ruin if left unpopulated, defeating the purpose of conquering them in the first place.

[Al Shades]

hitler's vision was a world without jews and poles, and a world populated by the master race. you are the one missing the point.

Are you aware that Germany, under Hitler, pursued an alliance with Poland against Stalin?

Hitler tried to meet the top Polish leader, and was refused.

That's when the anti-Polish propaganda started.

Hitler was ready to let Poland expand and regain lost territories in the east.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...4ddd1eac2635ad

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/sho...ghlight=swedes

I was born in Poland.

[timbo81]

I disagree 100%. Nazism isn't based on a country, it is based on a race, which is what primarily makes it different from facism. If you weren't Aryan, you were nothing to Hitler. In most cases with invading armies if you surrender you can at least live... not so much with Hitler.

nazism doesn't view everyone else as nothing, germany had an alliance with japan, non-whites.

anyway you only have to open any history book to realized civilians have been butchered by every country that invaded another country

[Hat_Monster]

Let's not forget good old Ireland, who's civilians defended themselves against the most powerful empire on earth's Special Forces at that time, England. The I.R.A were the most powerful, most disciplined, most organized freedom fighter group of our time whom other groups around the world have gained knowledge and practice their tactics today....

[TimmyBoy]

The US had nukes lined up at another 15 japanese locations when the first bombs were dropped, do some research artard. The US developed the atom bomb first and could have taken on anybody, full force Germany included singlehandedly at that point, not to mention the fact that the American army was the only one spread out across two oceans covering the entire world and had to bring its troops and equipment to bear halfway around the world in order to use it. America could defeat Germany alone. This is a stupid argument.

my god, the ignorance.
i wont spend long on this argument, look up the amount of nukes we had. We had 1 more to drop, thats it. at WWII we didnt have balistik missles or anything we developed during the cold war, we could have to carry them over to Germany, and it would have taken some time to make more bombs, in which time Germany would have become the new cold War russia, with nukes. Different countries, new cold war. this is a stupid argument

[choppedIT]

Slaves for the win.
You can't have a great power without them.

[nni]

Are you aware that Germany, under Hitler, pursued an alliance with Poland against Stalin?

Hitler tried to meet the top Polish leader, and was refused.

That's when the anti-Polish propaganda started.

Hitler was ready to let Poland expand and regain lost territories in the east.

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...4ddd1eac2635ad

http://www.biodiversityforum.com/sho...ghlight=swedes

I was born in Poland.

and what would a treaty mean? they had a non aggression treaty with russia, yet still attacked them. poland and germany were at war for decades, trust did not exist for a treaty.

as for the alpha thing, the poles although not being equipped for an armor war, still threw everything they had at germany. they sent the calvary out and they were holding several cities against the german blitzkreig. it wasnt until russia attacked them that they fell for good. even in defeat they moved the government out of the country with intentions to continue on the fight. that is more alpha if you ask me.

russia said F you, you want to fight us, come and do it. that is more alpha if you ask me.

hell even japan could be seen as more alpha.

but again, the whole concept of alpha, and who is more, is extremely dumb.

[Al Shades]

Yeah, i get called a nazi a lot. Aryans just got the good genes

What's your ethnic background? You should get this type of haircut:

[Gordon Bombay]

Sparta has to be the most alpha nation ever to exist, because it's male population was 100% alpha because the weak were killed by their own.

[stevedarsh]

my god, the ignorance.
i wont spend long on this argument, look up the amount of nukes we had. We had 1 more to drop, thats it. at WWII we didnt have balistik missles or anything we developed during the cold war, we could have to carry them over to Germany, and it would have taken some time to make more bombs, in which time Germany would have become the new cold War russia, with nukes. Different countries, new cold war. this is a stupid argument

you're 15. i have a degree in history. you can't even spell ballistic. America was poised to bomb Japan back to the stone age. look it up. America was capable or producing 3 weapons per month at that time, but that capacity was increasing exponentially.

[sbmarti2]

nazism doesn't view everyone else as nothing, germany had an alliance with japan, non-whites.

anyway you only have to open any history book to realized civilians have been butchered by every country that invaded another country

Just like he had an alliance with the Russians. Given enough time, he would have turned on the Japanese...

And of course there is civilian crossfire... but as it was stated above, Hitler was one of the view who did it based on race on religion. Sure he wasn't the only one, but most wars end with surrender... I'm sure the Jews in those concentration camps surrendered.

Long story short, Hitler was a monster. Otto Von Bismarck, his predecessor, used war for diplomacy, and is viewed as one of the greatest generals in European history. He used war for politics, and as many lives were spared as possible. Hitler went to war for many reasons, but one of them was to specifically kill people. That is a huge difference.

[OmniPotentTitan]

[Al Shades]

and what would a treaty mean? they had a non aggression treaty with russia, yet still attacked them. poland and germany were at war for decades, trust did not exist for a treaty.

as for the alpha thing, the poles although not being equipped for an armor war, still threw everything they had at germany. they sent the calvary out and they were holding several cities against the german blitzkreig. it wasnt until russia attacked them that they fell for good. even in defeat they moved the government out of the country with intentions to continue on the fight. that is more alpha if you ask me.

russia said F you, you want to fight us, come and do it. that is more alpha if you ask me.

hell even japan could be seen as more alpha.

but again, the whole concept of alpha, and who is more, is extremely dumb.

Everyone here is talking about military alphaness.

I am talking about cultural alphaness.

[TimmyBoy]

you're 15. i have a degree in history. you can't even spell ballistic. America was poised to bomb Japan back to the stone age. look it up.

i told you to look it up. Your opinion is worthless to me, show me anything saying they had some Cold War style stockup of nuclear weapons. You do this and i will declare you the winner. and WTF IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE
im 15, so what, ive held my own throughout this thread

[sbmarti2]

Oh, and for the record- the concept of alpha is just ****ing retarded to begin with.

[nni]

Everyone here is talking about military alphaness.

I am talking about cultural alphaness.

then you are still wrong. germany was in a depression, and they unified by blaming a group of people not responsible. how is that alpha?