The Most Alpha Nation in History (WARNING: Controversial)

[Al Shades]

Are you one of those whackjobs that believe the Holocaust is a crock of ****?

I am someone who does a lot of reading and who is still forming his opinions.
I am a conservative.

[neelb_24]

someone wanna embed and give cliffs for reps?

[user34566548717114]

I wouldn't be too hard on the French. Clemanceau (sp?) was right when they were working out the Treaty of Versailles after WW1 that Germany would rise again. It was the British who allowed them to gain power, even when they knew what was going on. Just look at Neville Chamberlain (Britain PM before Churchill) and his pathetic 'Peace in our time' declaration.

ok so France didn't do a damn thing when the country right next to them was building up a massive army and goes and complains to GB?? Oh yeah then because they didn't want Paris to get violated they laid down there guns and cried. Oh yeah I won't be too hard on them. Way for France to not make a play and place the blame on someone else.

"For sale, French Gun, never fired, dropped once."

[kalcifer]

id give the most alpha nation in history title to mongolia and ghengis kahn, in the height of the powers, there territory dwarfed rome

agreed, Khan wrecked everyones ****

the Mongols are the whole reason for the Chinese great wall

[TimmyBoy]

this isnt a hard thing to understand
Germany was defeated by 3 formidable powers and numerous others on 3 divided fronts. Germany was powerful. They were better than us for that time. They ceased to be better when they lost.

[sbmarti2]

someone wanna embed and give cliffs for reps?

Don't know how to embed, but cliffs:

-Posted propaganda videos of the third reich, says Nazis' possibly most alpha
-Argument based on who won WW2 (US, Russia, etc)
-Who had strongest army in general

[user34566548717114]

COMBO BREAKER

ok lets say Hilter didn't invade Russia then please explain to me how Germany was going to fair against Atom Bombs which we developed not long after D-Day???


Bottom line without Russia even if Germany stopped America dead in its tracks it was simply a matter of time till we nuked them into submission.


There was a tech race for building a physics based weapon between America and Germany and we all know who won that. Even if we did use German scientists

[Al Shades]

agreed, Khan wrecked everyones ****

the Mongols are the whole reason for the Chinese great wall

The following quote is attributed to him:

'The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see their near and dear bathed in tears, to ride their horses and sleep on the bellies of their wives and daughters.'

[Fanatik]

In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.

Well, that fine and dandy but you forget the 6 million dead Jews, concentration camps etc..

[choppedIT]

you can compare USA and Germany because we won world war 2...there is no debate lol, the two fought and the United States won

no, europeans fought the war at home, lost everything and then americans came in to seal the deal.

It's not like americans decided to come in in 39 and take on germany when it was at it's full strength.

[Johnnie Rico]

I love how people blame a whole country for the actions of a few of its leaders.

[Cosmonaut]

USA ran Germany in WW2...although we should have let them keep France that one was our bad

lol, let's stick to pharmacology shall we

[Al Shades]

I love how people blame a whole country for the actions of a few of its leaders.

The German people supported their leader, Adolf Hitler.

They fought and died together, as one.

embed for reps (not from me)

[kalcifer]

The following quote is attributed to him:

'The greatest pleasure is to vanquish your enemies, to chase them before you, to rob them of their wealth, to see their near and dear bathed in tears, to ride their horses and sleep on the bellies of their wives and daughters.'

Oh **** thats Alpha son

[user34566548717114]

no, europeans fought the war at home, lost everything and then americans came in to seal the deal.

It's not like americans decided to come in in 39 and take on germany when it was at it's full strength.

?!?!?!

you mean got invaded by Germany and added to there supply of raw materials....so when America entered the war Germany had significantly more military power and development. Germany was still building at a massive rate in 39 foo, its not like they were like
"up all our units are ready and we won't build anymore as we take over more raw material sorces from these countries we just dominated"

Last I checked Hilter took over all of Europe in a matter of 2 years, sounds like you guys put up a hell of a fight

[TimmyBoy]

imagine Germany bombs Britain for 2 more weeks?
They beat them, Churchill didnt have much longer to hold, he got lucky Hitler got pissed and attacked Russia. As for the atom bomb...if it came down to your idea of them bombing us into sumbmission, they would have developed the atom bomb too. they were close but hitler wanted a quick war so he ceased the development, they would have also got it, and it would have turned into a cold war type environment

[user34566548717114]

lol, let's stick to pharmacology shall we

i just crack up when we have these Nazi pushing tools who still make excuses why there "perfect" country lost the fight that it started.

[sbmarti2]

ok so France didn't do a damn thing when the country right next to them was building up a massive army and goes and complains to GB?? Oh yeah then because they didn't want Paris to get violated they laid down there guns and cried. Oh yeah I won't be too hard on them. Way for France to not make a play and place the blame on someone else.

"For sale, French Gun, never fired, dropped once."

France didn't have a choice. They complained all right, but Britain would never back them in a war, and they weren't nearly powerful enough to go it alone. France's power was broken in WW1.

And you have to realize that France took the full brunt of the blitzkreig tactics when the war started. Germany knew it couldn't survive two sieges, so it needed a 'knockout blow' of sorts. France was far weaker than Germany was, and still took the entire shot. It's like saying the Japanese are pussies because they couldn't take a nuke.

I will admit I'm biased towards the French because they have the best history I think... and until the French revolution, they ran Europe completely.

Actually, if you want to get into details, the French actually bankrupted themselves helping the US become a nation. It was shortly after the US war of independance that the Franco Prussian war happened and the Germans (Prussians at that time), destroyed the last semblance of French military power.

[sbmarti2]

no, europeans fought the war at home, lost everything and then americans came in to seal the deal.

It's not like americans decided to come in in 39 and take on germany when it was at it's full strength.

I disagree. The US came late, yes, but they were needed to win. Without the US, the Russians couldn't have held forever.

[user34566548717114]

imagine Germany bombs Britain for 2 more weeks?
They beat them, Churchill didnt have much longer to hold, he got lucky Hitler got pissed and attacked Russia. As for the atom bomb...if it came down to your idea of them bombing us into sumbmission, they would have developed the atom bomb too. they were close but hitler wanted a quick war so he ceased the development, they would have also got it, and it would have turned into a cold war type environment

LOL

oh yes because somehow in the burning ruins of your cities your going to manage to magically build an atom bomb which you were already trying to produce..

America beat you to the atom bomb and we would have produced many before you could have produced one. Then the widespread damage caused would cripple any attempts Germany had of finishing the technology. Its not like you magically level up and gain an equal weapon. Can you explain to me how you would have produced one as your cities were turning to ash daily???

Germany was TRYING to make an A Bomb they never finished

[TimmyBoy]

I disagree. The US came late, yes, but they were needed to win. Without the US, the Russians couldn't have held forever.

it works both ways, USA couldnt win without Russia, and the Russians damn well couldnt win without the USA

[Fanatik]

COMBO BREAKER

ok lets say Hilter didn't invade Russia then please explain to me how Germany was going to fair against Atom Bombs which we developed not long after D-Day???


Bottom line without Russia even if Germany stopped America dead in its tracks it was simply a matter of time till we nuked them into submission.


There was a tech race for building a physics based weapon between America and Germany and we all know who won that. Even if we did use German scientists

Germans were ahead of US in building weapon of mass destruction, but duo to attacks from Russians and USA they lost equipment needed to build a bomb and lost a race. There even was a documentary on history channel about German ship which got bombed or shot down in middle of antarctica, it was said that if that ship would have made it back to it destination US would lost the race.

[Al Shades]

Still no embed. I am disappointed in the misc

[iamtheawesome]

All these points are moot.

The fact of the matter is that Germany lost because of piss poor decisions on account of its leader.

A failure to properly assess a situation, and act accordingly is never Alpha.

[Accutron]

I didnt watch the vidoes, but the most alpha country is the United States.
Moving westward settlers had to take care of themselves, the land and climate are good, lots of money to be made, best country in the world...

[Al Shades]

All these points are moot.

The fact of the matter is that Germany lost because of piss poor decisions on account of its leader.

A failure to properly assess a situation, and act accordingly is never Alpha.

He made mistakes, yes. But what he did for the country was incredible. Without the war, he would have gone down as the greatest German ever.

[sbmarti2]

it works both ways, USA couldnt win without Russia, and the Russians damn well couldnt win without the USA

Yes, we're basically saying the same thing.

[TimmyBoy]

LOL

oh yes because somehow in the burning ruins of your cities your going to manage to magically build an atom bomb which you were already trying to produce..

America beat you to the atom bomb and we would have produced many before you could have produced one. Then the widespread damage caused would cripple any attempts Germany had of finishing the technology. Its not like you magically level up and gain an equal weapon. Can you explain to me how you would have produced one as your cities were turning to ash daily???

Germany was TRYING to make an A Bomb they never finished

what do you think, they just burned all there research, they stopped development, that doesnt mean they lost their buildups. they would merely need a little longer to develop them. And your nuke theory sucks hard. America only had 2 developed when it bombed Japan, and the only reason they went down was because they had no ally and thought we had more. Germanys new found territory was much larger and would be like bombing russia twice, it would do nothing. Plus in this genious example of yours, Japan is still in the war, and would get atomic weponry from Germany, aswell and the allies getting it from the USA. It would have been a nuclear war with no victors

[user34566548717114]

Germans were ahead of US in building weapon of mass destruction, but duo to attacks from Russians and USA they lost equipment needed to build a bomb and lost a race. There even was a documentary on history channel about German ship which got bombed or shot down in middle of antarctica, it was said that if that ship would have made it back to it destination US would lost the race.

sure it would have

http://www.cccoe.k12.ca.us/abomb/race.htm

June 4, 1942: A secret meeting with War Minister Speer and nuclear scientists including Heisenberg who describes atomic bombs as possible but not in the near future.


http://www.aip.org/history/heisenberg/p11a.htm

[Ice-9]

imagine Germany bombs Britain for 2 more weeks?
They beat them, Churchill didnt have much longer to hold, he got lucky Hitler got pissed and attacked Russia. As for the atom bomb...if it came down to your idea of them bombing us into sumbmission, they would have developed the atom bomb too. they were close but hitler wanted a quick war so he ceased the development, they would have also got it, and it would have turned into a cold war type environment

Ur 15, stfu.
Hitler didnt attack the Soviet Union because he "got pissed". He attacked the USSR because he was cocky and overconfident. Both of those character flaws were the direct cause of the eventual Nazi defeat.