The Most Alpha Nation in History (WARNING: Controversial)

[iamtheawesome]

Well for one, USA wasn't even around when rome was in power. For two, if Rome was reincarnated today and tried to go to war with USA it wouldn't even be a fight... I mean come on. I hate to sound like an elitist, but what USA wants USA gets.


I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

USA is the moden day roman empire.
Unfortunately, we will find ourselves falling in the same manner if we are not careful.

Rome spread itself too thin, and collapsed from the inside out.

[Frannycakes]

US Marine Corps copied and adopted Wehrmacht fighting tactics after the war.

Marines owned the Germans in WWI.

[user34566548717114]

USA is the moden day roman empire.
Unfortunately, we will find ourselves falling in the same manner if we are not careful.

Rome spread itself too thin, and collapsed from the inside out.

this man now speaks the truth

[sbmarti2]

Well for one, USA wasn't even around when rome was in power. For two, if Rome was reincarnated today and tried to go to war with USA it wouldn't even be a fight... I mean come on. I hate to sound like an elitist, but what USA wants USA gets.

You cannot even compare the two... but Rome under the rule of Trajan was unstoppable in it's time. It took a series of inept emperors to bring down that empire...

[Qijofeuih]

All countries are ****. People are what matter.

/thread

[TimmyBoy]

oh really?? Because according to my history textbook the war on Japan ended AFTER we had already ran Germany....

Now let me think your telling me we were fighting the japanese and island hopping with NOT even 1% of our forces?? Oh really? And your telling me that we manged to pack up the entire military onto some boats and diploy the entire force in Normandy and Italy???

So reality is Germany was playing defence on home turf while Americas navy was mostly busy working on Japan and we were fighting a TRUE two side of the WORLD war.

but your forgetting a key thing here. WE ourselves didnt run Germany, it took Us, Britain, w.e was left of France, and RUSSIA. without Russia we were royally screwed. like the man said before, Stalingrad saved us. you notice we took japan after Germany? and btw we didnt island hop them all, recall Hiroshima and Nagasaki? we nuked them because we knew we'd lose half our forces trying to get there. We took Japan because of nukes. We took germany because of help. Im not saying we were puny little ****s. We were amazingly powerful for manufacturing an army after a depression and winning the war, but Germany for its time outplays us

[kyle1867]

id give the most alpha nation in history title to mongolia and ghengis kahn, in the height of the powers, there territory dwarfed rome

[user34566548717114]

You cannot even compare the two... but Rome under the rule of Trajan was unstoppable in it's time. It took a series of inept emperors to bring down that empire...

hey hey hey

now we are working on our inept presidents one at a time here!!! I mean the entire world agrees we have at least 1 under our belt so far!!!

[Al Shades]

lol people dont understand it took the entire US army to beat HALF, let me repeat, HALF of Germanys army. Lets speak theoretically here, lets say Germany never went to war with Russia, and it had 100% of its troops on the western front, what do you think would happen.
Yes America runs **** now, and is alpha
but Germany was the alpha of the 1930s-end WWII

Of course, America wouldn't have it's high tech weapons today without stealing German scientists after the war. But that's another story...The winners always write history.

America is an alloy forged of many different races. Some of the bravest marines were black, or indian, or white, but above all that bs they were Americans.

America somehow manges to come togather when push comes to shove. Its not our diversity that weakens us its our apathy. If America is falling its due to the same reason as Rome.

You can play you "pure" race card bs. Bottom line evolution said America > then Germany and world war 2 proved it. You lucky America didn't have a similar mentality to Germany and simply eradicate every human who wasn't "American" otherwise we wouldn't even be having this talk eh?

America "came together" in WWII because FDR, at Churchill's request, deliberately provoked the Japs into attacking (the Brits needed the US in the war at all costs). Prior to that, the country was overwhelmingly opposed to the war. America First was the name of a very influential organization which advocated neutrality. Charles Lindbergh and the young JFK were members.

Go to South Central LA as a white man and tell me how you get treated by your "fellow Americans".

In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.

[jlick]

You cannot even compare the two... but Rome under the rule of Trajan was unstoppable in it's time. It took a series of inept emperors to bring down that empire...

wait....who's going to stop the USA? lol. As the guy stated before... USA will bring about it's own demise before someone else stops us

[sbmarti2]

To put it in it's most simple form- if it was one on one with any countries involved with WWII... Germany would have decimated all of them. The US army is a powerhouse to be sure, especially these days, but they couldn't compare to the pure fanatisism of the Germans.

Also, Germany's entire economy at the time was for the war effort, while the US was trying to rebuilt it's economy.

[usamarshal]

what are you smoking
Germany DOMINATED europe in wwII
it took the most basic of all war strategies to beat them
we massed everything we had at a beach
secondly, they fought 2 fronts, and still managed to hold for some time
Germany was a monster of its time

Actually three front. North Afrika, Eastern and Western Europe...Alpha

[iamtheawesome]

You cannot even compare the two... but Rome under the rule of Trajan was unstoppable in it's time. It took a series of inept emperors to bring down that empire...

Actually, many of the emperors after Trajan were very skilled. The reason that Rome became weakened was that they were finding themselves having to protect immense borders that were, in essence, undefendable. This prompted the splitting of the empire into to seperate sides (east/Byzantine, and west). Once that split occured, the two sides gradually found themselves getting further and further apart, until the western empire finally collapsed, and the eastern empire was eventually overun by the Ottoman Turks, I believe. History would have us believe that many of the emperors were not good, but it mostly was a product of having empires that were very much unmanageable.

[TimmyBoy]

Actually three front. North Afrika, Eastern and Western Europe...Alpha

oh right, forgot about Rhomel
amen to that sir

[Frannycakes]

In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.

The Jews, too, right?

[Al Shades]

EMBED the videos please

kthx

[user34566548717114]

but your forgetting a key thing here. WE ourselves didnt run Germany, it took Us, Britain, w.e was left of France, and RUSSIA. without Russia we were royally screwed. like the man said before, Stalingrad saved us. you notice we took japan after Germany? and btw we didnt island hop them all, recall Hiroshima and Nagasaki? we nuked them because we knew we'd lose half our forces trying to get there. We took Japan because of nukes. We took germany because of help. Im not saying we were puny little ****s. We were amazingly powerful for manufacturing an army after a depression and winning the war, but Germany for its time outplays us

r u kidding about the lack of island hopping??? you better go re-read your history or at least watch a few John Wayne movies before you spew that BS. There would be ALOT of upset vet Marines if they saw that. We didn't invade the mainland and thats pretty much the only island we didn't shed alot of hard Marine blood for.

And Germany had Russia for more then half the war.

And personally I would have taken Japan as an allie over GB or Russia.

And did you seriously say we had the help of France??? You mean they hid there Nazi flags and waved American ones when we walked into Paris? Or perhaps a few of there women pleasured some of our troops...LMAO

[Al Shades]

The Jews, too, right?

The Jews had nothing to worry about, because there were no Jews in the Third Reich. They chose to live elsewhere or were expelled.

[TimmyBoy]

I think its easily settled like this
Each time period had its own monster
Rome...Germany...USA
they were all immensly powerful, and you cannot compare them to eachother because of technological differences

[sbmarti2]

wait....who's going to stop the USA? lol. As the guy stated before... USA will bring about it's own demise before someone else stops us

I agree... even though the Romans were invaded by the vandals and goths, it was their own leadership that screwed them. It's happening to the US already unfortunately... Bush has put you're economy in worst shape that most of you realize

[choppedIT]

Actually three front. North Afrika, Eastern and Western Europe...Alpha

They had help and attacked countries that didn't want to fight.

[user34566548717114]

Of course, America wouldn't have it's high tech weapons today without stealing German scientists after the war. But that's another story...The winners always write history.



America "came together" in WWII because FDR, at Churchill's request, deliberately provoked the Japs into attacking (the Brits needed the US in the war at all costs). Prior to that, the country was overwhelmingly opposed to the war. America First was the name of a very influential organization which advocated neutrality. Charles Lindbergh and the young JFK were members.

Go to South Central LA as a white man and tell me how you get treated by your "fellow Americans".

In the Third Reich, a man, woman, or child could walk on any street, at any time of day, without fear. Children respected their teachers and parents. Old people were taken care of.

of course we stole Germanys stuff...thats the American way. Let someone else develope it then simply go over and take it, seems to be working pretty well...

Hell do you know where most of our understand of lethal doses of various drugs and human anatomy came from?? Makes for a interesting ethical debate about the human experiments preformed by the Germans and our current medical knowledge. Infection rates, resistance to extremes, you name it.

Actually the Japs attacked because we cut them off from natural resources

And last i checked they couldn't walk the streets without fear because we firebombed most of Germany to ash

[user34566548717114]

I think its easily settled like this
Each time period had its own monster
Rome...Germany...USA
they were all immensly powerful, and you cannot compare them to eachother because of technological differences

you can compare USA and Germany because we won world war 2...there is no debate lol, the two fought and the United States won

[TimmyBoy]

r u kidding about the lack of island hopping??? you better go re-read your history or at least watch a few John Wayne movies before you spew that BS. There would be ALOT of upset vet Marines if they saw that. We didn't invade the mainland and thats pretty much the only island we didn't shed alot of hard Marine blood for.

And Germany had Russia for more then half the war.

And personally I would have taken Japan as an allie over GB or Russia.

And did you seriously say we had the help of France??? You mean they hid there Nazi flags and waved American ones when we walked into Paris? Or perhaps a few of there women pleasured some of our troops...LMAO

i said what was left of france, the thousands who went across the channel
and im saying WE COULDNT HAVE WON without every1 else

[sbmarti2]

r u kidding about the lack of island hopping??? you better go re-read your history or at least watch a few John Wayne movies before you spew that BS. There would be ALOT of upset vet Marines if they saw that. We didn't invade the mainland and thats pretty much the only island we didn't shed alot of hard Marine blood for.

And Germany had Russia for more then half the war.

And personally I would have taken Japan as an allie over GB or Russia.

And did you seriously say we had the help of France??? You mean they hid there Nazi flags and waved American ones when we walked into Paris? Or perhaps a few of there women pleasured some of our troops...LMAO

I wouldn't be too hard on the French. Clemanceau (sp?) was right when they were working out the Treaty of Versailles after WW1 that Germany would rise again. It was the British who allowed them to gain power, even when they knew what was going on. Just look at Neville Chamberlain (Britain PM before Churchill) and his pathetic 'Peace in our time' declaration.

[Captain Harris]

Between the USA, Nazi Germany, and the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany certainly held its own during its short existence. Many people hate to admit that many, many of our advanced weapons and strategies of war originally came from German designs during WW2. Plus, Germany may not have been the most alpha nation in history, but it really says something when it takes two major superpowers and dozens of other smaller nations to finally bring them down, let alone having the balls to invade Soviet Russia and get within 15 miles of taking Moscow.

[Frannycakes]

The Jews had nothing to worry about, because there were no Jews in the Third Reich. They chose to live elsewhere or were expelled.

Are you one of those whackjobs that believe the Holocaust is a crock of ****?

[Fanatik]

America pwned them son...sorry fail

The past doesn't mean dick its whats current and America and its F-22's >>> everyone else


Cliffs:

USA ran Germany in WW2...although we should have let them keep France that one was our bad

lol wut? it was the Russians mostly, America joined the battle late.

[BBmisc420196]

Ummm... Pretty sure Russia sealed the deal...

As far as ww2 goes, America sealed the deal when Japan surrendered. Also the final battle was fought on 2 fronts with Russia attacking from the east and all of the other allied forces from the west.

So Hitler being "A Hero" was a joint effort, and the sealing of WW2 was all USA.

Also, for the above comment about America joining late, American singlehandedly turned the war around by joining. We forced Germany to divert ALOT of forces to protect from troops from the west. This caused Germany to be unable to launch the well planned attack on England and take Moscow. Really study WW2 and you will see perfectly just how close to victory Hitler was, and how America joining singlehandedly turned the war around. Without the USA, Germany would have takin Moscow and then overwhelmed England after causing the USSR to surrender(taking Moscow would have almost undoubtedly caused surrender).

[timbo81]

WW2 was won largely by the russians, people largely tend to forget this.

If Germany hadn't of attacked russia I have no doubt the allied D-Day invasion would have been pushed back into a second dunkirk. Those 5 million axis troops send to russia would have been directed west instead and history would have been much different.



hitler attacking russia was probably one of the biggest blunders in military since they had a non-agression pact.