sndonline net scam?

**dee9t** · 04-18-2008, 07:34 PM

i checked the msg boards and i couldn't find a conclusive consensus to this question... most people say it's a scam (IP infringement, site not working, shady product, proxy server, fraud, etc, etc...) is this all true? if so, has anyone had success getting a chargeback on their credit card due to fraud? please help asap.. those guys are not cheap either!

**ctulloch** · 04-18-2008, 07:43 PM

I ordered and received my ephedrine HCL from sndonline.net. Went fine.

I just tried to go to the site and it didn't work.

**dee9t** · 04-18-2008, 08:08 PM

ctulloch, are you an experienced EPh user? if so, what are your opinions on the product you received from them?

**tonymagnolia** · 04-18-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by dee9t

i checked the msg boards and i couldn't find a conclusive consensus to this question... most people say it's a scam (IP infringement, site not working, shady product, proxy server, fraud, etc, etc...) is this all true? if so, has anyone had success getting a chargeback on their credit card due to fraud? please help asap.. those guys are not cheap either!

I ordered from the website a week or so ago, and it said my order shipped. I've yet to recieve it, and i just tried the website and it doesn't work.

Uh oh.....

**ctulloch** · 04-19-2008, 05:43 AM

Not experienced, and really couldn't say with certaintly how good it was or if it even worked at all. It may have just been caffeine, and my weight loss may have been my diet/excecise, but I definitely felt the stim effect of the EC stack when I took it.

Until after I'd ordered and received and used mine, I'd never read anything but satisfaction about sndonline.net

It may take more than a week. Once it got to the US, it was like my shipment disappeared for about 3-4 days, until it showed up at my door. I'll be wary of ordering from them again after reading all this, but my experience was fine.

**Rootoo** · 04-19-2008, 06:50 AM

Ordered mine from them 4/10 and it came 4/16. Had to pick it up at the PO yesterday and just took my first dose like 5 minutes ago!!

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by tonymagnolia

I ordered from the website a week or so ago, and it said my order shipped. I've yet to recieve it, and i just tried the website and it doesn't work.

Uh oh.....

just emailed them, and it seems they are doing some upgrades and website will be up soon again.

been ordering from them for awhile and very satisfied

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:11 AM

Originally Posted by ctulloch

Not experienced, and really couldn't say with certaintly how good it was or if it even worked at all. It may have just been caffeine, and my weight loss may have been my diet/excecise, but I definitely felt the stim effect of the EC stack when I took it.

Until after I'd ordered and received and used mine, I'd never read anything but satisfaction about sndonline.net

It may take more than a week. Once it got to the US, it was like my shipment disappeared for about 3-4 days, until it showed up at my door. I'll be wary of ordering from them again after reading all this, but my experience was fine.

Its the real deal trust me i can tell the difference between ephedrine and caffeine, bite on it and you will taste the bitter taste ephedrine has.

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by tonymagnolia

I ordered from the website a week or so ago, and it said my order shipped. I've yet to recieve it, and i just tried the website and it doesn't work.

Uh oh.....

what does your tracking # say? my order disappears once it gets to the states and than appears once its at my post office, not sure why that happens. I emailed them also regarding that and they told me the reason is because US Postal doesn't scan the items until delivery time

**dee9t** · 04-19-2008, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by germanmonster

Its the real deal trust me i can tell the difference between ephedrine and caffeine, bite on it and you will taste the bitter taste ephedrine has.

yeah, but just because it has ephedrine in it doesn't mean its the correct dosage or a well-made product for that matter! does anyone even know what brand it is, or if it is quality assured?
anyone else who is an experience ephedra user tried this?

**PyroBurns** · 04-19-2008, 08:22 AM

Even if people are receiving ephedrine from them, they are still an unethical business.

Their website address is a copy of an established Canadian business, used to lure people who type the actual address wrong or grab customers who think they are shopping at the actual SnD.

Regardless, I think they had high prices but I can't remember.

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:37 AM

Originally Posted by PyroBurns

Even if people are receiving ephedrine from them, they are still an unethical business.

Their website address is a copy of an established Canadian business, used to lure people who type the actual address wrong or grab customers who think they are shopping at the actual SnD.

Regardless, I think they had high prices but I can't remember.

thats not true, you are telling me if you type snd canada it will forward you to sndonline, NO WAY. they are just smart in marketing they website. and good for them. Any company would do that, thats just smart, its not that they have snd canada logo on the website or write on their website they are affiliated or owned by snd canada

but of course you have every right not to want to do business with them, but they are not a scam.

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by dee9t

yeah, but just because it has ephedrine in it doesn't mean its the correct dosage or a well-made product for that matter! does anyone even know what brand it is, or if it is quality assured?
anyone else who is an experience ephedra user tried this?

the brand I get is NDC Pharma, it doesn't look like a cheap home made product. at the end of the day everyone has to decide for themselves. No one is forcing anyone to buy from any website, a lot of people like dealing with them and some people don't.

If I wouldn't be 100% sure about a product i wouldn't put it in my body.
You can even request Kaizen from them which i did last time, and thats real too.

**PyroBurns** · 04-19-2008, 08:46 AM

Actually you are right.

The actual site is snd canada and this one is sndONLINE.

Still I would be kind of annoyed if I were the actual company.

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by PyroBurns

Actually you are right.

The actual site is snd canada and this one is sndONLINE.

Still I would be kind of annoyed if I were the actual company.

thats for sure bro, because they are getting business, but you have to admit its smart marketing.

**BillyOcean** · 04-19-2008, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by germanmonster

the brand I get is NDC Pharma, it doesn't look like a cheap home made product. at the end of the day everyone has to decide for themselves. No one is forcing anyone to buy from any website, a lot of people like dealing with them and some people don't.

If I wouldn't be 100% sure about a product i wouldn't put it in my body.
You can even request Kaizen from them which i did last time, and thats real too.

I also got a brand called NDC pharma, but I can't seem to find anything on the company when I search. Any one find anything?

Thanks in advance.

**dee9t** · 04-19-2008, 01:54 PM

well it's not really smart marketing if the company gets sued for trademark infringement. anyway, i wouldn't hold it against them if they actually provide good quality stuff. i still haven't found anything on NDC pharma yet either.

**BillyOcean** · 04-19-2008, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by dee9t

well it's not really smart marketing if the company gets sued for trademark infringement. anyway, i wouldn't hold it against them if they actually provide good quality stuff. i still haven't found anything on NDC pharma yet either.

Thanks for looking, besides the fact i cant really find anything on NDC pharma, the website seemed legit.

**.Sunny** · 04-19-2008, 03:31 PM

Originally Posted by germanmonster

thats for sure bro, because they are getting business, but you have to admit its smart marketing.

You obviously have idea about copyright infringment or deception. Wait till you get by a real scammer and come back and tell me its smart marketing.

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by .Sunny

You obviously have idea about copyright infringment or deception. Wait till you get by a real scammer and come back and tell me its smart marketing.

i was just saying. i dont think they trademarked sndonline, there name is snd canada , you can buy a domain and build a website. I don't think they are breaking any laws. and they are not claiming to be someone they are not. the company name is sport nutrition direct, so SND and thats it.

at the end of the day i am happy with them i am getting my stuff and its the real deal and i am very satisfied. I could care less about trademark or whatever. I am just a consumer thats it.

anyone on any forum or anywhere in the world has the right to do whatever they want, some buy some don't. As we all know the world wide web offers us many places to purchase supplements. How many supplement lines do we have in the world many, small and big companies. So don't judge any company unless you have 100% proof.

Bottom line is don't say anyone is scam or whatever unless they are really scam. I think a scam is, if they sell fake products and they are aware of it, if they take your money and run, if they don't reply to emails, if they don't offer you any help if you don't receive your item for whatever reason, NOT because the domain is similar or because you don't know a brand that they are selling, you can always email before buying anything. If you don't its kind of your own fault in my opinion. I always ask questions when i buy something. I work to hard for my money and I am not just paying someone, I want to know what i am purchasing before I pay anyone. Its common sense people. Stop blaming and accusing. Just make sure you do real research and ask MANY MANY QUESTIONS until you are satisfied and if you are not at least you don't waste your money.

GM

**jdominic6** · 04-19-2008, 04:09 PM

To be honest, I've never ordered from them because the web site looks really shady. I'm all set with giving them my credit card information even if they are pretty legit. I'm more worried about their server getting hacked into by hackers/scammers and stealing personal information more than them being the scammers themselves.. My trusty bronkaid and no-doz never does me wrong!

**germanmonster** · 04-19-2008, 10:09 PM

Originally Posted by jdominic6

To be honest, I've never ordered from them because the web site looks really shady. I'm all set with giving them my credit card information even if they are pretty legit. I'm more worried about their server getting hacked into by hackers/scammers and stealing personal information more than them being the scammers themselves.. My trusty bronkaid and no-doz never does me wrong!

for sure bro if you are happy with what you are taking i think thats great. Regarding that site being hacked if you scroll down you can see they are using hackersafe which is one of the top companies that checks websites on a daily bases. So i am not worried about that, how many other website that sell supplements online do you see having the seal...not many.

**tonymagnolia** · 04-20-2008, 05:10 AM

Originally Posted by germanmonster

just emailed them, and it seems they are doing some upgrades and website will be up soon again.

been ordering from them for awhile and very satisfied

Yeah i meant to get back on here and update my first response:

Shortly after i posted this, i received my box.

Great products. Will definitely buy from again!

**Boots** · 04-20-2008, 06:23 AM

Originally Posted by dee9t

i checked the msg boards and i couldn't find a conclusive consensus to this question... most people say it's a scam (IP infringement, site not working, shady product, proxy server, fraud, etc, etc...) is this all true? if so, has anyone had success getting a chargeback on their credit card due to fraud? please help asap.. those guys are not cheap either!

Originally Posted by ctulloch

I ordered and received my ephedrine HCL from sndonline.net. Went fine.

I just tried to go to the site and it didn't work.

Its against the rules to post other supplement stores/sites. You may want to delete this.

**shookers** · 04-20-2008, 07:21 AM

FYI, SnD is a reputable Canadian store and has brick-and-mortars spread fairly widely across Eastern Canada. I would expect nothing but the same level of quality from their website

**jononioo** · 04-20-2008, 01:36 PM

snd canada.com has Ephedrine for WAY less than SNDonline. Too bad i already placed an order with sndonline.

**germanmonster** · 04-20-2008, 02:32 PM

Originally Posted by jononioo

snd canada.com has Ephedrine for WAY less than SNDonline. Too bad i already placed an order with sndonline.

yeah i tried that, they don't ship to us in the USA.

**Zillasmurf** · 05-08-2008, 02:59 PM

NDC Pharma ephedrine seemed ineffective for me. Seems cheaply made, label lettering and writing ran when the label got wet in the rain. I have taken up to 5 pills at a time without the rush or intensity I get from the old tried and true SportPharma brand.
Individual results may vary.
Posting this in case anyone is looking for feedback on this product. My .02.

**germanmonster** · 05-08-2008, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Zillasmurf

NDC Pharma ephedrine seemed ineffective for me. Seems cheaply made, label lettering and writing ran when the label got wet in the rain. I have taken up to 5 pills at a time without the rush or intensity I get from the old tried and true SportPharma brand.
Individual results may vary.
Posting this in case anyone is looking for feedback on this product. My .02.

not sure about the results you mentioned, but you took 5 tablets at ones and nothing thats hard to believe i take 3 and i can feel my appetite curved within 30 minutes. but than again every body type reacts different i guess.

**terracotta** · 05-08-2008, 07:17 PM

jononioo, none of the regular Canadian companies that Canadians can shop at will ship to US ( a couple used to).

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