Anyone think that taxing the rich higher is wrong but are going to vote Dem anyway?

[bracketcake]

I think its wrong to tax someone a higher percentage just because they make more money. But the thing is, I am poor. It would be in my benefit to vote dem and get all the healthcare, ect that they are offering by taxing the rich. Basically its looking out for yourself before looking out for others.

If I was rich id be voting republican no doubt.

[KRANE]

Originally Posted by bracketcake

I think its wrong to tax someone a higher percentage just because they make more money. But the thing is, I am poor. It would be in my benefit to vote dem and get all the healthcare, ect that they are offering by taxing the rich. Basically its looking out for yourself before looking out for others.

If I was rich id be voting republican no doubt.

It right unless you're one of the rich. Otherwise, it's a bad thing. Besides if you give poor people money, they'll only do something stupid with it anyway.

Incidentally, as someone single and poor, I resent having to pay extra for people with kids. Our tax system is like a system to have kids. The more you have, the less you pay!

[jackamo2887]

It is called penalizing people who work hard and are successful and rewarding those who are too lazy to work hard and support themselves". I for one hope to be successful one day so dont wish to get taxed for it..those who want to be a leech to society forever should vote democrat.

[evothug]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

It is called penalizing people who work hard and are successful and rewarding those who are too lazy to work hard and support themselves". I for one hope to be successful one day so dont wish to get taxed for it..those who want to be a leech to society forever should vote democrat.

Dude, what are you talking about? A lot of poor people work even harder than the rich and receive a fraction of the pay, there is certain injustice.

All poor people aren't lazy. But I agree.. the lazy poor deserve nothing but motivation from the government to get off their ass.

The system needs is change it's priorities with benefits, and heavily support those in work and encourage those out of work, to work. More benefits for poorer in work = more production + stronger economy.

Low/no taxes for poorer people, especially as the guy said above, no 'extra' taxes on other peoples kids, it's the parents responsibility of having the child in the first place.

The working class is the base of society. If you start to neglect the base, it will collapse.

[evothug]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

It is called penalizing people who work hard and are successful and rewarding those who are too lazy to work hard and support themselves". I for one hope to be successful one day so dont wish to get taxed for it..those who want to be a leech to society forever should vote democrat.

The rich have a distinct advantage over the poor, most of this due to the social imbalance in society evident from the last hundred or so years. If your born middle class/rich you have an overwhelming advantage on gaining success other poor - from 'rags to riches' is rare.

The way one is raised by parents, taught through education and influenced by surroundings has a major factor on success. Obviously a child with a more privileged background and loving parents will have an advantage over a poor child who may of been subjected to a number of things, have worse education, brought up in a ghetto etc.

If the government takes the time to help the poor and give them the sort of advantages found in more privileged families, what's so bad about that? It WOULD do wonders for society.

If your having fat cats and a low, poorer class below them - of whom the don't give a FCUK about (just look at the condition of some working-class areas in the US), things just get chaotic.

(I'm not bitter by the way, I would say I am middle class. I live a very comfortable lifestyle. This however does not stop me from seeing the injustice)

[bigmac366]

its called wealth redistribution and all you people griping about it REALLY dont have a clue about how the economy works.

yes its true that "poor" people get better tax breaks, but the money that they spend is the motor of the economy. think about it for a second. you can trace this economic policy back to fdr. coincidence that we havent had a major depression since then, when we used to have one every 20 years or so, i think not. now when the dow drops 10% we all go zomg the sky is falling. it used to be much worse. those taxes, along with labor laws, are the biggest reason for american economic dominance since ww2.

[AdonisSMU]

Originally Posted by bracketcake

I think its wrong to tax someone a higher percentage just because they make more money. But the thing is, I am poor. It would be in my benefit to vote dem and get all the healthcare, ect that they are offering by taxing the rich. Basically its looking out for yourself before looking out for others.

If I was rich id be voting republican no doubt.

John McCain may not be saying it but he will raise taxes. He will flip his position on the bush tax cuts as soon as he gets elected and he'll do it so fast it'll make your head spin.

I think everyone should pay the same tax rate. However I think they should get rid of government loop holes like depreciation and interest etc.....

[kyle1867]

Originally Posted by evothug

Dude, what are you talking about? A lot of poor people work even harder than the rich and receive a fraction of the pay, there is certain injustice.

All poor people aren't lazy. But I agree.. the lazy poor deserve nothing but motivation from the government to get off their ass.

The system needs is change it's priorities with benefits, and heavily support those in work and encourage those out of work, to work. More benefits for poorer in work = more production + stronger economy.

Low/no taxes for poorer people, especially as the guy said above, no 'extra' taxes on other peoples kids, it's the parents responsibility of having the child in the first place.

The working class is the base of society. If you start to neglect the base, it will collapse.

amen

[Dubl10]

yes it's wrong, no i won't vote dem.

Newsflash: It's not about wether we tax or not tax, the issue is OUR SPENDING.

i'm tired, tired, tired of "taxing" being the center of discussion. ILLOGICAL THINKING IN THE MAINSTREAM TO CORRUPT EVERYONE!!!

Which leads to American = continuing to go down the ****ter.

good day.

[HoosierBoy]

I think taxing the rich more heavily is wrong....


and I am not going to vote Democrat.

[Dubl10]

Originally Posted by KRANE

It right unless you're one of the rich. Otherwise, it's a bad thing. Besides if you give poor people money, they'll only do something stupid with it anyway. !

ha ha, that's funny. You know, you are right. I hear people complain all the time about things, especially politics, and wanting more money or better breaks, etc.. = yet, these same people, i see, everyday, do countless stupid acts over and over again with their $.

fuking hilarious - morons.

[Thinman]

Originally Posted by KRANE

It right unless you're one of the rich. Otherwise, it's a bad thing. Besides if you give poor people money, they'll only do something stupid with it anyway.

Incidentally, as someone single and poor, I resent having to pay extra for people with kids. Our tax system is like a system to have kids. The more you have, the less you pay!

I agree. We should only be giving tax breaks to families that have two kids at the most.

[Dubl10]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

It is called penalizing people who work hard and are successful and rewarding those who are too lazy to work hard and support themselves". I for one hope to be successful one day so dont wish to get taxed for it..those who want to be a leech to society forever should vote democrat.

good post.

[Cramerica]

Originally Posted by evothug

Dude, what are you talking about? A lot of poor people work even harder than the rich and receive a fraction of the pay, there is certain injustice.

Whoa whoa whoa!

You're telling me that a lot of poor people work harder than the rich?

Let me elaborate some scenarios here.

First off, let's not discuss welfare babies or people who are bequeathed large amounts of money, let's talk about those who work.

If a poor person (I'm not sure exactly what constitutes the boundaries to e 'poor') works two jobs, that does not necessairly mean they work harder or even longer hours than a person with money.

You'll find that most business owners, CEO's, and people in upper-management work a ridiculous amount of hours, travel away from their families for work for a good portion of the year, and rightfully earn every penny they work for.

They aren't taking handouts, they're earning their money.

[RIKTER]

The top 20% pays 86% of the taxes...which is why I always have to laugh when the (D) complain that the tax cuts benefit the rich, well who else are they suppose to go to, especially considering that I believe the bottom 60% pays less then 1% of the overall tax revenue.

[caj]

Originally Posted by Cramerica

Whoa whoa whoa!

You're telling me that a lot of poor people work harder than the rich?

Let me elaborate some scenarios here.

First off, let's not discuss welfare babies or people who are bequeathed large amounts of money, let's talk about those who work.

If a poor person (I'm not sure exactly what constitutes the boundaries to e 'poor') works two jobs, that does not necessairly mean they work harder or even longer hours than a person with money.

You'll find that most business owners, CEO's, and people in upper-management work a ridiculous amount of hours, travel away from their families for work for a good portion of the year, and rightfully earn every penny they work for.

They aren't taking handouts, they're earning their money.

But look at all these reality shows where rich people do nothing all day and are bored out of their minds. And these are just the has-been celebrities and retired pro-athletes. Their are thousands of wealthy people who haven't put in a full-days work in years that are just getting richer every day.

What it all comes down to is this:

Rich people have a tax increase - there goes that fifth summer house or new yatch.
Poor people have a tax increase - there goes the electricity because I can't pay the bill.

[goody1]

Originally Posted by caj

But look at all these reality shows where rich people do nothing all day and are bored out of their minds. And these are just the has-been celebrities and retired pro-athletes. Their are thousands of wealthy people who haven't put in a full-days work in years that are just getting richer every day.

What it all comes down to is this:

Rich people have a tax increase - there goes that fifth summer house or new yatch.
Poor people have a tax increase - there goes the electricity because I can't pay the bill.

Yet another person that thinks all rich people are the hollywood types. THere is a big difference between people that were born into money and the people that made their wealth on their own.
Let me ask a couple questions. Without the rich who would employ the poor?
Also it would be interesting to see what people on here would call rich? How much money does someone have to make anually to be considered rich in your eyes? That question is directed at everyone. Also if you make more money than me does that me you should have to pay more than me for a loaf of bread at the bakery

[Thy_Kingdom]

That McCain is so liberal..

[RIKTER]

There are differences between working hard and working smart....and working smart tends to have a higher pay scale. If one wants to slack off between the ages of 15-25, then more then likely their going to have to work hard for their money as opposed to someone who busted their ass during the same age by getting good grades keeping their nose clean and going to a good college....and because of that, the former will work for their money and the latter will have the ability of having their money work for them.

[Cramerica]

Originally Posted by caj

But look at all these reality shows where rich people do nothing all day and are bored out of their minds. And these are just the has-been celebrities and retired pro-athletes. Their are thousands of wealthy people who haven't put in a full-days work in years that are just getting richer every day.

I could be wrong about this, but I believe the current cut to qualify for current tax breaks and rates is to make roughly 1.25 million per year (of course there are extremities to that number and how you attain it). But (and I could be wrong about this as well) I highly doubt people such as celebrities, retired sports players, musicians, and just overall people who are handed money upon being born and do nothing with their lives as far as jobs are concerned make up a very large portion of those in teh tax break category.

1.25 million per year seems like a lot of money to us, but there are a whole lot of people in this nation that pull that every year and then some. It's really not that unusual this day in age.

And personally, I wouldn't place celebrities that are actors, musicians, or sports players in the same category as people who are born into money. Those celebrities still work but are beneficial that the sector of work they are in returns an unusually high rate of money for their performances. But you can't remove them from the hard-working, suit-wearing individuals because of the type of work they do or remove those who have been left wealth simply because that was their situation. That would be way too much discrimination.

[frankenstein]

Taxes received by the federal and state governments are not the problem. Spending is. This debate shouldn't even be happening. No one should have their taxes raised. No one. Pressure has to be put on Congress to stop spending at rates faster than either inflation (every year) or faster than GDP growth (many years).

The fairtax is a much better system. The poor marginally benefit from it the most, but without having to penalize the middle and upper classes.

[Thinman]

We should have a tax system where people that make 20k or less a year don't pay any taxes at all. Not only would encourage the poor to get off welfare, it would encourage more savings also.

[goody1]

Originally Posted by Thinman

We should have a tax system where people that make 20k or less a year don't pay any taxes at all. Not only would encourage the poor to get off welfare, it would encourage more savings also.

The majority of people that are classified as poor do not pay taxes already.

[Chowboy]

Screw that! EVERYBODY should pay taxes, and I mean everybody.

Everybody benefits, everybody pays.

If your poor and you can't afford that stupid cell phone, Good! May have to make your Nikes last a little longer, too.

Face it, for your average American, taxes are painful and everybody needs to share the pain (this is about my only collectivist position). If it's painful enough, it might motivate you to make more money.

[KRANE]

Originally Posted by Cramerica

I
And personally, I wouldn't place celebrities that are actors, musicians, or sports players in the same category as people who are born into money. Those celebrities still work but are beneficial that the sector of work they are in returns an unusually high rate of money for their performances. But you can't remove them from the hard-working, suit-wearing individuals because of the type of work they do or remove those who have been left wealth simply because that was their situation. That would be way too much discrimination.

I think when he refers to "hard work" I think he means physical labor especially compared to the rate of pay. There are many rich people who work hard physically (the aforementioned athlete) but the rate at which they get paid is far superior to that of the working poor.

Incidentally, if you're really going to debate this (which is aside from the thread) it would be better to define what is poor and rich. For example, there is poor and there is working poor. There is rich and there is wealthy. In any event, I know many wealthy people that wouldn't know how to use a broom without their housekeeper working the controls. Conversely, I've never met a poor person that didn't know how to do common everyday tasks.

There is the hardworking record producer and the hardworking chimney sweep. Which would you rather be?

[jackamo2887]

I just personally hate the fact that I bust my ass in school, get great grades and will go on to make a lot of money..then be taxed and punished for it.

While the high school drop out, working some **** manual labor job cause he did nothing is going to be using MY money to pay for his health care and all the **** he needs. And would he think maybe I should go work and try and make more money to afford health care and such? No, why should he? He is already having it paid for by the upper class.

[KRANE]

Originally Posted by jackamo2887

And would he think maybe I should go work and try and make more money to afford health care and such? No, why should he? He is already having it paid for by the upper class.

Actually, that would be the middle class. But I do feel your pain.

[jackamo2887]

Originally Posted by KRANE

Actually, that would be the middle class.

Even worse then.

[frankenstein]

Originally Posted by Thinman

We should have a tax system where people that make 20k or less a year don't pay any taxes at all. Not only would encourage the poor to get off welfare, it would encourage more savings also.

People making less than $20K pay less than 0 in taxes. If they file their income taxes, they'll get them all back and just about all of them will qualify for the EIC, which is tax form welfare. It amounts to hundreds of to a few thousand depending on the case.

[Kramerica]

I kindof have mixed feelings about it.

I think of it like this...

there are 5 cave men. One goes out every day gathering food, hunting, getting firewood, and building his house better. While he is doing this, all the other cave men are sitting around in a cave being unproductive to their future. One day a big storm comes and kills all the plants that have food and leaves them wet and cold, while the first cave man is in his house with a surplus of food. Should the first cave man have to share his house and food to the other 4? It's kind of the right thing to do, but cave man 1 worked hard for his house and food while the others were jacking off....

If that makes sense...

It probably doesn't...

Edit:

I forgot about the cave man who got his leg bit off by a saber tooth tiger. He can't really gather food or build a house, so this is where things get complicated.