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    Jud's COMPREHENSIVE PROHORMONE USER GUIDE: Vol.1

    PRO-HORMONES/DESIGNER STEROIDS. By: Judson Clemons ?J2jud?

    These are compounds called Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS). Don't be fooled into thinking that just because they are labeled as such, the compound is nothing less than that of an actual steroid. Some have speculated that they are separated into classes based upon their ability to bind or not to bind to androgen receptors. I on the other hand have found otherwise. William Llewellyn says "Such classification only, and upon reasonable investigation are clearly invalid." Just in case you are wondering what classifications these compounds may be speculated to fall under, I will define them according to that belief. "Pro-hormone," is a term thrown around in forums quite often and is misleading to the everyday workout enthusiast, bodybuilder, and teenager looking to gain muscle. This term gives individuals the ignorant "ok," based on its legality and label of being a pro-hormone and not steroid. When an individual succumbs to this way of thinking there can be dire consequences. This article is a compilation of my beliefs from research that are more than likely shared by many others. The purpose of my efforts in writing this is to inform and educate new users and those who might have some questions regarding pro-hormones. I hope everyone who reads this finds it of some use.

    FIRST TIME USERS GUIDE
    First time users (21 and older) of pro-hormones should not be tempted by the use of the more potent AAS. It's good to start out with a "mild" type of pro-hormone. By starting out with a mild compound, this allows individuals to get their feet wet in the world of AAS. Never stack two or more compounds on your first cycle as you are just getting started, and don't want to cause any unnecessary side-effect occurrences. I personally recommend H-Drol as the sides are very mild to nonexistent in most users. Although, some users may not experience any associated sides, this does not mean that you are in the clear. Users are still highly advised to plan for PCT and use a SERM, as you can still be shutdown. SERM is referred to as Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator, used to control estrogen. I will explain it's importance later on. Shutdown is the result of high amounts of exogenous hormones (testosterone) being administered, which results in your body hindering (to stop) the production of its own testosterone. This is commonly associated with testicular atrophy. Highly aromatizing androgens (or easily converted to estrogen) are going to cause this easier than non-aromatizing anabolics.

    Cycle Length:
    Cycles with methylated PHs should last no longer than 4-5 weeks at the recommended dosage. Limiting your cycle to this time period will relieve the stress being put on your liver from the methylated compounds. Temptation of running the pro-hormone past a period of 4-5 weeks should be avoided by new users, as gains are most likely to plateau around week 4.5. New users that continue to cycle past the suggested time frame should only expect side effects to heighten or become more exaggerated. Advanced users can quite possibly lengthen their methylated cycle to 6 weeks on certain compounds. This is not recommended for compounds with high toxicity risks such as Superdrol. None-methylated compounds can be cycled for 8-10 weeks without the risking liver toxicity.
    o Novice users:
    o Limit cycle length to 4-5 weeks.
    o Take the recommended dosage.
    o Advanced users can cycle up to 6 weeks.
    Non-Methylated Prohormones
    Compounds without a methyl attachment are called non-methyls. These compounds are not as effective as methylated compounds on a milligram to milligram basis. However, these compounds are very effective when dosed at the correct amount and period of time. BOLD is a good example of non-methyl that will produce amazing gains without the risk of liver stress. BOLD's effectiveness should not be underestimated as individuals can experience the same side effects as methylated pro-hormones. Since there is a low to zero chance of liver toxicity from these compounds, cycle lengths can be ran to a period of 8 weeks. There have been some individuals who go over 8 weeks and into 10 weeks, but I believe this to be considerable among users who have experience with past cycles. New users or advanced users that want a liver friendly cycle will enjoy both steady strength and muscle gains that are comparable to four week methyl cycles if ran at the appropriate dose.
    o EX: Non-Methylated Prohormones:
    o - BOLD
    o - Propadrol
    o - Furazadrol
    o - Tren, Trenaplex, Trenadrol

    PCT (Post Cycle Therapy)
    PCT is a used practice when coming off of a cycle of AAS (Anabolic Androgenic Steroids) to regain homeostasis of testosterone and estrogen and keep the gains of your cycle in tact. This will be the most important part of keeping gains made "on cycle." If performed improperly, you risk losing gained muscle/strength and libido (not good). A very common occurrence when PCT is neglected is the formation of breast tissue around the nipples, called "gynecomastia." The use of a SERM is the best choice for accomplishing the prevention of breast tissue in PCT. A SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator) should be the foundation of your PCT. Never start a cycle before obtaining all the necessary components of your PCT, and never leave your SERM out of the equation. You don"t want to be without SERM when your cycle ends or you could run into some estrogen related sides. Adding a SERM to your PCT is the most important recovery tool that is neglected by many users and usually ends up with a bundle of problems that could have been solved with the use of a SERM. Users may want to add a Natural Testosterone booster into PCT to bring sex drive/libido up to par if need be. Cortisol Controllers are not an essential either, but many believe in their use for fighting the catabolic effects one would see in PCT. Creatine (in my belief) should be an essential part of ones PCT to keep muscle hydrated and strength levels high. Creatine is also a very useful anti-catabolic tool in PCT efforts. Dieting during PCT should be the same as "on cycle." With the newly acquired muscle there is a higher caloric intake that you must meet in order to retain new muscle mass. I cannot stress this fact enough to everyone; if you don't eat and diet properly then you will be more than likely to lose gains, fast!

    Aromatase Inhibitors:
    Aromatase Inhibitors, inhibit/stop the conversion of testosterone to estrogen. The use of over the counter AIs (Aromatase Inhibitors) are sometimes used in place of a SERM for mild cycles or when one is unavailable. Although, some are very effective at eradicating estrogen, their use should not be used in PCT as the foundation for recovery. The use of O.T.C AI's is considered by most; inefficient at accomplishing the goal of PCT and is not recommended for fully recovering from a cycle. AI's can be used during cycle to prevent gynecomastia from aromatizing androgens such as testosterone and Dianabol. Individuals using Cycles in which a mild compound is involved such as H-Drol/halodrol, an O.T.C AI + natural testosterone booster could quite possibly accomplish the task of recovering from a mild PH cycle. Even though I say this, one should always have a SERM on hand while using O.T.C. products for recovery.

    SERM
    SERMs inhibit estrogen like actions in certain tissues of the body/ regulate estrogen to a manageable level in PCT. A SERM cannot and should not be a question when dealing with anything more than the suggested "mild" pro-hormones. Aromatase Inhibitors should only be used for the suggested "mild" PH's and never for compounds which are given a characteristic that is considered more than mild. Some will tell you that taking an O.T.C type PCT is ok, where an AI such as: "Novedex-XT," is the foundation for their Superdrol cycle. This is simply not true and is very misleading. To believe an individual will fully recover with a O.T.C product like Novedex-XT is ridiculous. Here are some general PCT plans for both mild and advanced compounds:
    Sample PCT for mild PH cycle:
    o AI (6-OXO/Formestane/ATD)
    - Taper from max dosage week by week (4 weeks total)
    o Natural Testosterone Booster (Blue-Up/Alpha Drive XL)
    - Run throughout the beginning of PCT.
    o Liver care (Anabolic Innovations: Cycle Support)
    o **optional** Cortisol control ( SNS: Reduce-XT)
    o Creatine

    Sample PCT for Advanced PH cycle:
    o SERM (Nolvadex)
    - 40/40/20/20
    - Natty Testosterone Booster
    - Liver Care
    - **optional** Cortisol Control
    - Creatine

    Liver Support (on cycle) and Options:
    - Anabolic Innovations: Cycle Support
    - SAMe
    - Liver Longer
    - **There are many more, but these seem to be the most popular.

    Natural Testosterone Support Options:
    - Anabolic Innovations: Post Cycle Support
    - Blue-UP
    - Universal Animal Stak
    - HumanaTEST
    - Testabolan
    - Leviathan Reloaded
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    STACKING: PRO-HORMONES/DESIGNER STEROIDS
    In my belief pro-hormones should be classified by methylation. You should never stack a methyl with another methyl due to the increased risk of liver stress/damage. However, some may stack two methylated compounds at lower dosages without too much risk but should be limited to a brief period. Before actually stacking certain compounds together I recommend cycling with each individual compound before stacking. When stacking one compound foreign to you with another that has been cycled before, you may have an undesired side effect from that compound not yet cycled. Cycling two compounds unfamiliar to your body is dangerous and can result in a very unpleasant experience for you and your body. Cycling each compound exclusively allows for the assessment of your tolerance to a specific compound and the expected results/effects of that compound. When putting together a cycle based on experience and research, you will have certain side-effects to expect and gains to expect while "on cycle." Also, a user might want to assess the PCT required for a cycle of this magnitude as opposed to non-stacked cycles.

    When deciding upon a stacking scheme you must take in account that it is better to stack methyls with non-methylated compounds. This can greatly reduce the risk of liver damage/failure. Example: Phera + BOLD is a methyl + a non-methylated compound and has a lower risk of side effects associated with using high amounts of methylated compounds. Superdrol + Havoc, is an example of a methyl + methyl that will surely end up in disaster. In my belief only users that have many proper cycles under their belt could consider stacking two methyls or bridging them at the appropriate milligram to milligram ratio. Even with methyls being introduced at a specific ratio; I think it's still idiotic to say the least. I do however, believe that non-methyls like BOLD are a much better choice to go with when stacking compounds. The given examples lack dosage protocol simply because there are too many people that have different needs/experiences and giving my thoughts of dosage wouldn?t be relevant for many, due to weight and experience. Novice users should follow normal dosages recommended by product label for the most part.

    Suggested Example Stacks:

    - P-Plex + BOLD
    o Weeks 1-3
    --- BOLD (only)
    o Weeks 4-8
    --- BOLD + P-Plex

    - Havoc/Epi + BOLD or Trena
    o- **Run the same way as P-Plex + BOLD.**
    TIME OFF:
    Taking time off from the use of pro-hormones/AAS is very important for continuing ones growth and health. Individuals need this time off from using hormonal substances to regain normal hormonal levels in your body. This allows your body time to fully recover from the hormonal havoc you've bestowed upon it for a period of time. During this time you should feel free to use NHA's (Non Hormonal Anabolics). Time off should be equal to the cycle length plus PCT.

    Sample Time Off:
    Cycle length = 4 weeks
    PCT Length = 4 weeks
    Total time off = 8 weeks

    COMMON ASSOCIATED SIDE EFFECTS:
    - Acne
    - Aggression
    - Anaphylactic Shock
    - Birth Defects
    - Blood Clotting Changes
    - (rare) Cancer
    - Cardiovascular Disease
    - Depression
    - Gynecomastia
    - Hair Loss
    - Headaches
    - High Blood pressure/Hypertension
    - Immune System Changes
    - Kidney Stress/Damage
    - Liver Stress/Damage
    - Prostate Enlargement
    - Sexual Dysfunction
    - Stunted Growth
    - Testicular Atrophy
    - Water and Salt Retention
    - Virilization (women only)


    ** If you are interested in seeing the common gains, and side effects, and specifics of compounds: please visit**
    1.)Xc
    2.)Superdrol for Dummies
    3.)M1T
    4.)Iforce: BOLD
    5.)1AD
    6.)11-OXO
    7.)Ratings
    8.)Profiles
    9.)Patrick Arnold: norandrostenedione


    Theoretical Class I:

    MADOL (Desoxymethyltestosterone/DMT)
    - (Phera Plex/P-Plex)
    - Compound: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol

    METHEPITIOSTANE
    - (Havoc/Epistane)
    - Compound: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol

    BOLDENONE
    (1,4AD & BOLD)
    -Compound: 1,4-androstadiene-3,17-dione

    PROGESTINE
    (Trenadrol & Trenaplex)
    - Compound (Trenadrol): 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone (Trenadrol)
    - Compound (Trenaplex): Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
    - Compound (Trena): 19-Norandrosta 4, 9 Diene 3, 17 Dione
    - Compound: 19-Norandrostenedione


    TESTOSTERONE
    (M1T)
    - Compound (M1T): 17alpha methyl- 17beta-hydroxy- androst-1-ene-3-one

    Theoretical Class II:

    MASTERONE
    (Superdrol & Clones)
    - Compound: 2a, 17a dimethyl-5a- androstane- 17b-ol-3-one

    ORAL TURINABOL
    (Halodrol-50 & Clones)
    - Compound (Halo): 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol

    CLOSTEBOL
    (Chlorodrol & Oxyguno)
    - Compound (Chlorodrol): 4-chlorodehydromethylandrost-4ene-3,17b-diol
    - Compound (Oxyguno): 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione

    STANOZOLOL
    (Winztrol, Orastan-A, Furaguno & Clones)
    - Compound (winztrol/Prostanozol): [3,2-c]-pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
    - Compound (Furaguno): 5a- androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
    - Compound (Orastan-A): [3,2-c]5alpha-androstanol-furazan-17beta-tetrahydropyranol

    PROGESTERONE
    (Revolt, Propadrol)
    - Compound (Revolt): 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
    - Compound (Propadrol): 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholone-3-ol proponate-12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene

    DIANABOL
    (M1,4ADD)
    - Compound (M1,4ADD): Methyl-1,4 androstenediol

    MIOTOLAN (FURAZABOL)
    (Furazadrol)
    - Compound (Furazadrol): 17-Methyl-5alpha-androstano[2,3-c]furazan-17beta-ol


    SERM LIST

    CLOMIPHENE CITRATE
    - Clomid

    RALOXIFENE
    - Evista

    TAMOXIFEN CITRATE
    - Nolvadex

    TOREMIFENE CITRATE
    - Fareston

    BAZEDOXIFENE

    LASOXIFENE

    ORMELOXIFENE
    - Centchroman

    PHARMACEUTICAL AROMATASE INHIBITORS:

    ANASTROZOLE
    - Arimidex

    EXEMESTANE
    - Aromasin

    LETROZOLE
    - Femara

    OVER -THE- COUNTER AROMATASE INHIBITORS

    ATD
    - Novedex-XT

    TRIONE
    - 6-oxo (4-androstene-3,6,17-trione)

    FORMESTANE
    - Lentaron, Formadrol

    6-BROMO
    - Hyperdrol X2, Restore


    Reference:
    - William Llewellyn. _Anabolics 6th Edition 2007_. 6th. Jupiter, Fl 33458: Body of Science, 2007.
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    ...I believe post cycle support deserves some mention somewhere up there.

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    First! Awesome...should be a sticky for the teen section! i kid, i kid.

    edit..not first
    "Good things come to those who wait"
    Patience, persistence, & perseverance.

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    Jud, thats the newest version of the book correct? Its got the profile for all of those designers? Thats pretty awesome if so, I had the 2006 book with DMT, Superdrol and other various designers.

    I would like to see William's profile for Epi.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=128438981#post128438981

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    Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Jud, thats the newest version of the book correct? Its got the profile for all of those designers? Thats pretty awesome if so, I had the 2006 book with DMT, Superdrol and other various designers.

    I would like to see William's profile for Epi.
    Yep. He's got all the profiles in there. Also, some updated information that is very useful.
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    Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    Yep. He's got all the profiles in there. Also, some updated information that is very useful.
    Very nice. I need to check the prices on the book now, I am sure its dropped somewhat.

    Another soild user guide.
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=128438981#post128438981

    Re-comp/AEN log.

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    Originally Posted by UNCfan1 View Post
    Very nice. I need to check the prices on the book now, I am sure its dropped somewhat.

    Another soild user guide.
    Thanks man.
    It took me a little while to complete. I was still unable to write all my thoughts on the subject. So, I'll be coming out with Vol.2 in a little while.
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    Arent 6-oxo and ATD two different compounds?

    6-oxo - 4-Androstene-3,6,17-trione

    ATD - 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione

    Otherwise, very informative write up. I also liked the formatting.
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    Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    Thanks man.
    It took me a little while to complete. I was still unable to write all my thoughts on the subject. So, I'll be coming out with Vol.2 in a little while.
    Ur welcome and ur hard work is much appriecated. Seems I must spread what little love I have around before giving it to u again.
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    Originally Posted by xtechbuilderx View Post
    Arent 6-oxo and ATD two different compounds?

    6-oxo - 4-Androstene-3,6,17-trione

    ATD - 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione

    Otherwise, very informative write up. I also liked the formatting.
    Correct.
    Fixed. I wasnt paying attention to the details. Fixed
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    Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    Correct.
    Fixed. I wasnt paying attention to the details. Fixed
    No problemo, I'd give you some of my meager reps, but I am all out.
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    Nice bro! Eagerly awaiting Vol 2
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    Nice work that looks really good and informative.

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    Originally Posted by slyc View Post
    ...I believe post cycle support deserves some mention somewhere up there.
    No worries bro, it will come ...
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    Originally Posted by dmangiarelli View Post
    No worries bro, it will come ...
    I'll edit it in there before you know it.
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    is there any REAL m1.4add even out ther anymore

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    Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh View Post
    is there any REAL m1.4add even out ther anymore
    Not that I know of. There could quite possibly be a small company selling it.... but you run the risk of it being bunk.
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    yep. ohwell. anything that used to work? like in the past?

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    Originally Posted by MrOneEyedBoh View Post
    yep. ohwell. anything that used to work? like in the past?
    Was... CEL
    I remember a product Methyl-Bol???
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    Wrong section

    Can a Mod move this to the new Designer Steroid/PH Section ?

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    Originally Posted by LakunaKoil View Post
    Wrong section

    Can a Mod move this to the new Designer Steroid/PH Section ?
    This IS the PH section! Or at least until one is made.... which will never happen.
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    Sticky please.

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    good work reps! i will copy and paste this so when i keep seeing threads about ph/ds i can post this....

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    Originally Posted by ncangey0513 View Post
    great work, jud! nice format and easy to follow.
    Thanks.
    This was the feel I was going for. I hope everyone reading could understand and take something away from this.
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    Originally Posted by MikeBlitz View Post
    Sticky please.
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    good work reps! i will copy and paste this so when i keep seeing threads about ph/ds i can post this....
    Thanks. I hope users or people thinking about cycling will actually read through it. Hopefully if enough people read through it and agree, it could be stickied.
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    Awesome post and repped too! I'm surprised that there haven't been more logs done on Progestines such as Trena or Tren like products. dman's is about the only one I've seen and he seemed very pleased as was I with my results from using a 19-Nor. Hopefully 3-AD will be as good as this hype has made it out to be.

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    Originally Posted by FF71 View Post
    Awesome post and repped too! I'm surprised that there haven't been more logs done on Progestines such as Trena or Tren like products. dman's is about the only one I've seen and he seemed very pleased as was I with my results from using a 19-Nor. Hopefully 3-AD will be as good as this hype has made it out to be.
    I agree. 19-nor based are good for adding strength and some lean mass. I think what makes most people steer clear from actual 19-Nor, is the progesterone sides that are similar to estrogen related sides. Gyno can occur without the presence of substantial amount of estrogen, but can occur with the help of progestins. To prevent these types of sides, an AI should be sufficient enough to subdue the chances (somewhat) of gyno.

    Take a look at Jhicks log he's got going.... very impressive gains from Trenadrol.
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