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    1st PH 3-AD/X-Factor?

    I am thinking about trying a PH pretty soon within 2-3 months, and it seems like 3-AD would be the best to start with (I dont want to use one that requires a serm). I have also read some mixed reviews on EST Propadrol, and Bold seems like it would cost alot to do a cycle(multiple bottles). Anything other products in this class that I should take a look into, or should I just go with 3-AD?

    Also I was wandering how good of a stack X-Factor + 3-AD would be? Start X-Factor first, then take 3-AD after the ArA gets loaded.

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    3ad seems to be a good choice, i am only 1 day in so i can't comment on that...11oxo is a great choice(3 cycles of it love it) and i also would rec propadrol(done this and loved it)...i def wouldn't stack the xf and 3ad since most people were noticing an increase in doms already and i know from experience that xfactors soreness is intense
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    Originally Posted by pa mma View Post
    3ad seems to be a good choice, i am only 1 day in so i can't comment on that...11oxo is a great choice(3 cycles of it love it) and i also would rec propadrol(done this and loved it)...i def wouldn't stack the xf and 3ad since most people were noticing an increase in doms already and i know from experience that xfactors soreness is intense
    thats a good point. thanks for the feedback
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    If you are going to do this I would start X-Factor, then for the last 3-4 weeks use 3-AD.
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    this would be a bad ass cycle. What about timing it so your xf starts to kick in when u start pct? So then ur coming off and them bam, xf gains

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    I think it would be an excellent cycle. You can go as some suggest and start 3-AD after about 2-3 weeks on X-Factor or just start both at the same time. I think the addition of XF will amplify 3-AD's own effects.
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    Originally Posted by J2jud View Post
    I think it would be an excellent cycle. You can go as some suggest and start 3-AD after about 2-3 weeks on X-Factor or just start both at the same time. I think the addition of XF will amplify 3-AD's own effects.
    If you guys dont think Doms would be a huge problem I may do this. For PCT should I use AX Advanced PCT as advised or 6-oxo (I can make transdermal)?
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    Originally Posted by kknecht1 View Post
    If you guys dont think Doms would be a huge problem I may do this. For PCT should I use AX Advanced PCT as advised or 6-oxo (I can make transdermal)?
    Transdermal would be very good, but either way you should be fine. Just be very watchful of your body's reaction to the compound.
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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    this would be a bad ass cycle. What about timing it so your xf starts to kick in when u start pct? So then ur coming off and them bam, xf gains

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    That is what I would do.
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    I am going to order some Propadrol, how long should I run it? I have been reading that people were running up to 6-8 weeks at 90-120mg. This would be my first Ph so should I run it for ~6 weeks @ 90mg? I have 6-oxo for Pct should I add anything else like AI Post Cycle Support? Should I have a Serm on hand in case, if so could someone inform me on how to purchase one?

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    Originally Posted by warbird00 View Post
    this would be a bad ass cycle. What about timing it so your xf starts to kick in when u start pct? So then ur coming off and them bam, xf gains

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    thats what im doing in about 3 weeks, along with some other stuff
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    Originally Posted by kknecht1 View Post
    I am thinking about trying a PH pretty soon within 2-3 months, and it seems like 3-AD would be the best to start with (I dont want to use one that requires a serm). I have also read some mixed reviews on EST Propadrol, and Bold seems like it would cost alot to do a cycle(multiple bottles). Anything other products in this class that I should take a look into, or should I just go with 3-AD?

    Also I was wandering how good of a stack X-Factor + 3-AD would be? Start X-Factor first, then take 3-AD after the ArA gets loaded.

    Thanks
    -Kevin
    I was waiting for someone to come up with this sick idea for a cycle! Be forewarned.... The soreness that myself and most other people have experienced on 3-AD exceeds the DOMS of X-factor!!!

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    Originally Posted by TTewell View Post
    I was waiting for someone to come up with this sick idea for a cycle! Be forewarned.... The soreness that myself and most other people have experienced on 3-AD exceeds the DOMS of X-factor!!!

    Good luck!
    Yeah, I am going to do this within a couple months. I have alot of X-Factor, and this sounds like a great bulking stack
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    Originally Posted by kknecht1 View Post
    Yeah, I am going to do this within a couple months. I have alot of X-Factor, and this sounds like a great bulking stack
    log it! better yet.... VIDEO LOG IT! I want to FEEL your DOMS! lol
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    I was thinking about this as well. Later this summer, when 1-AD comes out, I plan on running a 3-AD/4-AD/1-AD/X-Factor cycle. MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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    Originally Posted by chasinSKURT View Post
    I was thinking about this as well. Later this summer, when 1-AD comes out, I plan on running a 3-AD/4-AD/1-AD/X-Factor cycle. MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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