According to Joe Rogan, Christianity is bull****. Do you agree?

[Melkor]

Christianity is, in essence the belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if symbolically eat his flesh, drink his blood, and telepathically comunicate to him that you accept him as your master, so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that will cause you to live forever burning in fire instead of good stuff, that is present in all humans because a woman made from a rib was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree that the father of the cosmic Jewish Zombie, who was also him, made, stuck infront of the rib-woman, and then told her not to eat from.

Doesn't sound like bull**** to me!

Very creative, and very original. Must be more of the renowned atheist free-thinking I keep hearing so much about eh?

[GrokTheCube]

Very creative, and very original. Must be more of the renowned atheist free-thinking I keep hearing so much about eh?

It's just a joke! Meant to be funny. I think everyone can agree that religious beliefs all have a humerous element to them, when you simplify them to the most basic level.

[hassaanu]

Those points he made are not even close to being the first time they have been brought up though. Those same arguments have been rehashed on this forum for as long as I can remember, and I have been here a LOOOONG time.

I like that he points out the hypocrisy of mainstream Christianity, because people need to realize how stupid and hypocritical it is to call yourself a Christian and then ignore what Christ taught, other than the convenient parts.

I agree that there was no literal earth-covering flood. This story is obviously allegorical imo.

However, Christ IS the Son of God, the Saviour of the world and the only way to live with God for eternity. And his opinion on that one doesn't affect mine at all.

lol

[fattony]

Very creative, and very original.

Not to mention very true! I have never once heard a Christian address this without sarcastically dismissing it, or questioning the motives of why atheists "attack" Christianity.

[fattony]

Joe Rogan or Robert Dick Wilson????hmmmmmm.........Short articles and to the point. I'd say ol' Robert is a "little" more informed and educated on the Bible than a former reality show host.lol

http://narrowpathway.com/docpages/cl...ick_wilson.htm


http://www.christiancourier.com/arti...rt_dick_wilson

Way to cop out of the argument. Do you have any thoughts of your own?

I asked you to explain, in your own words, why the statements Joe Rogan made in his blog were false. Instead you post a link and say "look, here's some really smart guy who agrees with me!"

[MonsterG8r]

Way to cop out of the argument. Do you have any thoughts of your own?

I asked you to explain, in your own words, why the statements Joe Rogan made in his blog were false. Not post a link and say "look, here's some really smart guy who agrees with me!"

After YOU start a thread with someone else's thoughts and words???............ Classic.

[fattony]

After YOU start a thread with someone else's thoughts and words???............ Classic.

Yes, followed by "Do you agree." As in, to spark discussion.

I already made my own thoughts clear earlier in the thread. I asked you to EXPLAIN yours.

[striker543]

Not to mention very true! I have never once heard a Christian address this without sarcastically dismissing it, or questioning the motives of why atheists "attack" Christianity.

well if you are going to just use sarcasm to "attack" something, why would you expect anything but sarcasm back.

why don't you go read up on rational atheism

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...heism&colID=13

[fattony]

well if you are going to just use sarcasm to "attack" something, why would you expect anything but sarcasm back.

why don't you go read up on rational atheism

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=...heism&colID=13

No, no, no. You don't seem to understand. The "zombie" analogy is quite a good one, and that's why it pisses so many Christians off. They're never actually be able to explain what's inaccurate about it.

[d-mane]

anything joe rogan says is true.

[Insane Clown]

Show where the Dead Sea Scrolls contradict the OT.....

How could the Dead Sea Scrolls "contradict" the Old Testament? Old Testament writings are part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And what does this have to do with the first point I made that you still haven't responded to?

[MonsterG8r]

How could the Dead Sea Scrolls "contradict" the Old Testament? Old Testament writings are part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

And what does this have to do with the first point I made that you still haven't responded to?

The point was that the Old Testament has been accurately kept through the ages. Whether you accept if it's true is up to you.

[takemehigher]

Yes I agree. Anyone who believes Christianity to be reality must do some serious intellectual gymnastics to maintain that belief.

First of all, since when is Joe Rogen an authority on anything other than "how to be an unfunny candy ass"? It would be something more if an actual celebrity came out and said this, but I am sure he is trying to use bashing religion to make a name for himself

Anyone who is an atheist would have to do some very neglectful thinking in order to keep with their belief system! Believing in God seems like the most plausible scenario, but Christianity does make things more difficult. If you ignore everything about Christianity and dont actually read anything with an open mind, are you not giving more or less, a self fulfilling prophecy?

[curtis999]

First of all, since when is Joe Rogen an authority on anything ...It would be something more if an actual celebrity came out and said...

Good enough for 'real celebs' good enough for TAKEMEHIGHER!!!

Haha! Lol!

[takemehigher]

Good enough for 'real celebs' good enough for TAKEMEHIGHER!!!

Haha! Lol!

I am a bit of a celebrity myself Atleast I do have a few college degrees, what authority does Joe Rogen really exhibit?

[curtis999]

Atleast I do have a few college degrees, what authority does Joe Rogen really exhibit?

To believe that a degree or a measurable amount of fame is the requisite for truth is absurd and shows your limitations!

Sometimes the more 'simply' we can look at a problem or the more detached from the mainstream 'thinktank' we can become, the ease at which we can solve problems becomes even more apparent.

You, having degrees must have been taught by a professor no?

What if he had your thinking, only talking to, or listening to viewpoints from others of his intellect?
He would have refused to teach you. You would not have been worthy of his time or effort.

...we can benefit, and yes even LEARN, from those who do not hold the same academic achievements we do!

[JAGERBOY]

First of all, since when is Joe Rogen an authority on anything other than "how to be an unfunny candy ass"? It would be something more if an actual celebrity came out and said this, but I am sure he is trying to use bashing religion to make a name for himself

Anyone who is an atheist would have to do some very neglectful thinking in order to keep with their belief system! Believing in God seems like the most plausible scenario, but Christianity does make things more difficult. If you ignore everything about Christianity and dont actually read anything with an open mind, are you not giving more or less, a self fulfilling prophecy?

It is completely illogical, and non scientific, to assert that X is more plausible than Y, if X has never been proven to exist.

X=God
Y=No god

[takemehigher]

To believe that a degree or a measurable amount of fame is the requisite for truth is absurd and shows your limitations!

Sometimes the more 'simply' we can look at a problem or the more detached from the mainstream 'thinktank' we can become, the ease at which we can solve problems becomes even more apparent.

You, having degrees must have been taught by a professor no?

What if he had your thinking, only talking to, or listening to viewpoints from others of his intellect?
He would have refused to teach you. You would not have been worthy of his time or effort.

...we can benefit, and yes even LEARN, from those who do not hold the same academic achievements we do!

I thought you were joking, but obviously you think I am an idiot. The point you missed I was trying to illustrate with having a degree in religion is that educated people probably have a tad more insight towards a situation than Hillbilly John out in the boon dox! I was simply making a joke about Joe Rogen being a "nobody" and wondering why anyone would care what he truly thought. Obviously, you did not get the sarcasm, which in turn shows your limitations

And yes I was taught by many professors over my illustrious and expensive college career. We might be able to learn from all types of people, but sometimes learning does not lead to truth. Many intelligent professors have differing opinions, so a student has to make up his or her mind on who is truly correct. The only way to do this is to continuously learn, however, I truly believe almost all students go in with a bias to begin with and are really not interested in finding the truth!

My point is, more people might actually take into consideration the viewpoint of someone educated in that field. I mean, would you take guitar lessons from Peyton Manning? Would you learn how to throw a football from Tom Cruise?? Useful they maybe, but an authority on the subject....I think not!

It is completely illogical, and non scientific, to assert that X is more plausible than Y, if X has never been proven to exist.

X=God
Y=No god

There is a pleathora of evidence pointing towards God's existence, you just simply choose to ignore anything that points towards a God creating the universe. It is like the old saying goes...."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

[JAGERBOY]

There is a pleathora of evidence pointing towards God's existence, you just simply choose to ignore anything that points towards a God creating the universe. It is like the old saying goes...."you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

Really? Well you should publish that in a peer reviewed scientific journal, you would be famous, and probably become wealthy for being the only person that was able to provide "a pleathora of evidence". Let me know when you publish it (serious).

[takemehigher]

Really? Well you should publish that in a peer reviewed scientific journal, you would be famous, and probably become wealthy for being the only person that was able to provide "a pleathora of evidence". Let me know when you publish it (serious).

Well I think you remember the abundance in which I used to post up here that few people could give legitimate retorts to, usually just swimming in their own illogical dreams. There is so much worthwhile evidence out there to prove there is a God. My biggest problem with the atheistic thought is that it does not attempt to answer the age old question of "who invented the universe?"! It seems that atheists are not really interested in obtaining the truth, but rather shooting down ideas posed by theists. And when an atheist does make a claim about the cause and effect beginning of th universe, it generally is an absurd notion, just like the benighted "multiverse theory" of a superuniverse that spits out universes! And they say believing in God is absurd!!! So can you enlighten me on how we all got here to this earth? I am awaiting to hear atheistic responses on this!

[JAGERBOY]

Well I think you remember the abundance in which I used to post up here that few people could give legitimate retorts to, usually just swimming in their own illogical dreams. There is so much worthwhile evidence out there to prove there is a God. My biggest problem with the atheistic thought is that it does not attempt to answer the age old question of "who invented the universe?"! It seems that atheists are not really interested in obtaining the truth, but rather shooting down ideas posed by theists. And when an atheist does make a claim about the cause and effect beginning of th universe, it generally is an absurd notion, just like the benighted "multiverse theory" of a superuniverse that spits out universes! And they say believing in God is absurd!!! So can you enlighten me on how we all got here to this earth? I am awaiting to hear atheistic responses on this!

Well you are already attempting to stack the cards in your favor by wording it "WHO invented the universe". Who says theres a who? There are some very smart people out there trying to figure how things began.

And repeating "there is evidence!" over and over doesn't make it so. You have yet to provide any, you just keep saying there is. Again, let me know when you publish your paper.

[takemehigher]

Well you are already attempting to stack the cards in your favor by wording it "WHO invented the universe". Who says theres a who? There are some very smart people out there trying to figure how things began.

And repeating "there is evidence!" over and over doesn't make it so. You have yet to provide any, you just keep saying there is. Again, let me know when you publish your paper.

I have actually published a few works in the past, and am thinking about putting out a book in the next few years! I was going to do a commentary and debunking of all the famous atheistic works of the last few years. I have already started on a few books, working on Dawkins most recent book!

Oh how I love the avoidance of the questions I ask! I attempt to give a logical answer, and I never get a straight answer back, probably because there is none to give Ok, what invented the universe...does that wording suit your eyes? There are some very smart people that already figured out how this began

[JAGERBOY]

I have actually published a few works in the past, and am thinking about putting out a book in the next few years! I was going to do a commentary and debunking of all the famous atheistic works of the last few years. I have already started on a few books, working on Dawkins most recent book!

Oh how I love the avoidance of the questions I ask! I attempt to give a logical answer, and I never get a straight answer back, probably because there is none to give Ok, what invented the universe...does that wording suit your eyes? There are some very smart people that already figured out how this began

The answer is, I/we don't know. As far as my best guess, I believe that matter/energy always existed in some form, and some crazy reaction/event took place billions of years ago that formed what we know today as the universe. Of course even after it was "created", it took billions of years of meteors slamming into planets, and stars exploding etc etc to get us here.

[Anticrombie315]

First of all, since when is Joe Rogen an authority on anything other than "how to be an unfunny candy ass"? It would be something more if an actual celebrity came out and said this, but I am sure he is trying to use bashing religion to make a name for himself

Anyone who is an atheist would have to do some very neglectful thinking in order to keep with their belief system! Believing in God seems like the most plausible scenario, but Christianity does make things more difficult. If you ignore everything about Christianity and dont actually read anything with an open mind, are you not giving more or less, a self fulfilling prophecy?

You publish papers, write a book, and still attempt to argue using illogical ad hominems to make your point? The fact that he is Joe Rogan, unfunny, or a candy ass has nothing to do with his logical argument.

Well I think you remember the abundance in which I used to post up here that few people could give legitimate retorts to, usually just swimming in their own illogical dreams. There is so much worthwhile evidence out there to prove there is a God. My biggest problem with the atheistic thought is that it does not attempt to answer the age old question of "who invented the universe?"! It seems that atheists are not really interested in obtaining the truth, but rather shooting down ideas posed by theists. And when an atheist does make a claim about the cause and effect beginning of th universe, it generally is an absurd notion, just like the benighted "multiverse theory" of a superuniverse that spits out universes! And they say believing in God is absurd!!! So can you enlighten me on how we all got here to this earth? I am awaiting to hear atheistic responses on this!

So just because WE can't explain it, it MUST be god's work? The greeks used that logic for just about everything. Stars, planets, sunrise and sunset, how we came to be, thunder, lightning. They believe that gods were behind that, just as you believe a god made the universe. They were wrong, and it is just as likely that you are too. A lack of evidence to the contrary doesn't equate to evidence in your favor.

[TheBigEasy007]

I agree with what Joe Rogan said.

[Insane Clown]

The point was that the Old Testament has been accurately kept through the ages. Whether you accept if it's true is up to you.

So then what in the world did your links and reference to this guy have to do with anything?

Joe Rogan wasn't questioning how well the Old Testament has been reproduced (though, if it did start from oral tradition, how would we ever even know if the original writings were correct?), but whether it was accurate history.

You said you'd rather trust such and such guy (I'm too lazy to go back and look at his name), and posted links, only to find such and such guy doesn't really tackle this issue at all.


So were you purposely wasting time or what?

[MonsterG8r]

So then what in the world did your links and reference to this guy have to do with anything?

Joe Rogan wasn't questioning how well the Old Testament has been reproduced (though, if it did start from oral tradition, how would we ever even know if the original writings were correct?), but whether it was accurate history.

You said you'd rather trust such and such guy (I'm too lazy to go back and look at his name), and posted links, only to find such and such guy doesn't really tackle this issue at all.


So were you purposely wasting time or what?

Nope. The OT is the accurate history of the Israelites. If their history is recorded accurately, then it stands to reason the rest is as well.

[takemehigher]

The answer is, I/we don't know. As far as my best guess, I believe that matter/energy always existed in some form, and some crazy reaction/event took place billions of years ago that formed what we know today as the universe. Of course even after it was "created", it took billions of years of meteors slamming into planets, and stars exploding etc etc to get us here.

I believe the answer is that people refuse to look at the evidence presented to them. It is really sad, because most atheists tend to be pretty intelligent people too! I do agree with what you said with your last sentence. Many Christians believe the universe was created (along with the eart) like 7000 years ago and take the entire Bible literally! It simply is not meant to be taken that way at all, and people who think it is are just plain wrong. I would agree that matter/energy has always been here too, but I do believe the universe is a created entity also, but something must exist outside of the parameters we are limited to, another dimension if you will.

You publish papers, write a book, and still attempt to argue using illogical ad hominems to make your point? The fact that he is Joe Rogan, unfunny, or a candy ass has nothing to do with his logical argument.



So just because WE can't explain it, it MUST be god's work? The greeks used that logic for just about everything. Stars, planets, sunrise and sunset, how we came to be, thunder, lightning. They believe that gods were behind that, just as you believe a god made the universe. They were wrong, and it is just as likely that you are too. A lack of evidence to the contrary doesn't equate to evidence in your favor.

Lol, do you people not read? I was making a joke, a joke for God's sake! I imagine many of you are the most boring people when you go out, girls become immediately dulled by your conversational abilities, etc....why, because you have no sense of sarcasm or humor. I was simply making a joke as to why would anyone care what Joe Rogen says! His argument had a few good points, but most was based on his bias perception. So for the second post on this page for all the slow readers, I was joookkkiinnnggg! Instead, you really should read the post I previously wrote.

Lol, there is an abundance of evidence to point that God exists. There are many things in space we have yet to discover or see, does that mean they dont exist? This is why I am often confused as to why atheists accuse Christians of being narrow-minded. People have used false logic for years, does not mean all groups are wrong! Someone has to be right about things, and the Bible still stands to have its contents not disproven. It is the burden of us to either prove or disprove its content, based on reading, history, archaeology, etc! If you have not put in research on much of the Bible and are just spouting of opinions, it kinda makes your opinion have little to no validity. I have posted a pleathora of info on here before giving very good information defending the existence of God and the Bible coorelating with religion you may have missed! Maybe I should repost some of them.

[takemehigher]

BTW anticrombie, I would think you would like Abercrombie clothes at 6"2 and 170 pds! You could fit into the small shirts there. I think Abercrombie clothes rock, mainly cause they show off my physique and girls love me in em! Why you hatin on em?

[JAGERBOY]

I believe the answer is that people refuse to look at the evidence presented to them. It is really sad, because most atheists tend to be pretty intelligent people too! I do agree with what you said with your last sentence. Many Christians believe the universe was created (along with the eart) like 7000 years ago and take the entire Bible literally! It simply is not meant to be taken that way at all, and people who think it is are just plain wrong. I would agree that matter/energy has always been here too, but I do believe the universe is a created entity also, but something must exist outside of the parameters we are limited to, another dimension if you will.

Did you not notice I put created in quotes..."Created"? I don't think it was created.