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    Thumbs up Eugene Sandow fan club: the Greek Ideal

    thread in tribute to attaining the Greek Ideal body.

    Eugene Sandow, needs no introduction was the father of modern bodybuilding.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandow

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    ON DIET:
    I do not care for anything intoxicating (hard liquor), but do enjoy a beer or some wine on occasion. I never touch tea or coffee. I eat "plain", wholesome food for the most part, but do "indulge" on occasion. I have my meals at regular intervals, and prefer simple foods that are easy to digest. I chew my food well and believe strongly that mastication is a key to good health. I believe a good nights sleep is very important in maintaining health. I am not able, due to my performance schedule, to go to bed before midnight, so I remain in bed asleep until 11 typically.
    SANDOW'S TYPICAL DAY:
    Year round I take cold baths, and afterwards, I do a light-weight dumbell routine. I then have breakfast, then attend to my correspondence. I then enjoy seeing my friends. After this, I typically go for a long walk or if it is not sunny, I will take a ride in a horse-drawn carriage. I have my dinner promptly at 7 p.m., then attend my evening performance. After appearing at the theatre, I will have my evening cold bath, followed by a late night supper.


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    SANDOW'S MEASUREMENTS
    At age 35 (1902)

    height: 5'9 1/4"
    weight: 202 lbs.
    neck: 18"
    chest: 48"
    biceps: 18 1/2"
    forearm: 16 1/2"
    wrist: 7 1/2"
    waist: 30"
    hips: 42"
    thigh: 26"
    knee: 14"
    calf: 18"
    ankle: 8 1/2"

    all from: http://www.sandowmuseum.com/sandowone.html

    He did this all over 100 years ago. With the nutrition knowledge, medicine and equipment we now have I think most people can do it with a bit of work.

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    Originally Posted by 2 HUGE View Post
    strong arms
    he had pretty good delt separation. He used dumbbells almost exclusively...sort of similar to the gymnast physique we find today.
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    he had pretty good delt separation. He used dumbbells almost exclusively...sort of similar to the gymnast physique we find today.
    I wonder how they trained chest back then
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    Originally Posted by 2 HUGE View Post
    I wonder how they trained chest back then
    compared to his body, his chest seems underdeveloped. Obviously well above average, but I'd attribute it to genetics since the rest of his body is huge, and it's hard to keep one part that is so large small(er) in comparison.

    lots of stretches, perhaps; apparently he was a fan of randomly tensing his muscles throughout the day as he did his other work
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    his arms sure don't look 18, steve reeves had 18s and he was 6'1"
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    compared to his body, his chest seems underdeveloped. Obviously well above average, but I'd attribute it to genetics since the rest of his body is huge, and it's hard to keep one part that is so large small(er) in comparison.

    lots of stretches, perhaps; apparently he was a fan of randomly tensing his muscles throughout the day as he did his other work
    his calves are massive in that last pic
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    tanks for teh 700

    Originally Posted by 2 HUGE View Post
    his calves are massive in that last pic
    I've recently realized that I need big calves.

    I'm considering doing Olympic of powerlifting lifts ONLY for a few months...

    what are your thoughts?
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    None of those measurements look right,

    18" arms?, at 5'9" thats pretty bloody big.

    It doesn't look like his forearms are 16", or his chest 48".
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    None of those measurements look right,

    18" arms?, at 5'9" thats pretty bloody big.

    It doesn't look like his forearms are 16", or his chest 48".
    Eugene Sadow wouldn't lie, tough guy.


    joking aside, I doubt he would, because what would he reference it against, and why would it matter? There wasn't a widely held notion of 20"+ = huge back then
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    Eugene Sadow wouldn't lie, tough guy.


    joking aside, I doubt he would, because what would he reference it against, and why would it matter? There wasn't a widely held notion of 20"+ = huge back then
    Frank Zane had 18" arms in his prime, and he was 5'9".
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    I've recently realized that I need big calves.

    I'm considering doing Olympic of powerlifting lifts ONLY for a few months...

    what are your thoughts?
    olympic lifting is really good I heard. I do some of the lifts, but focus purely on bodybuilding (thats my goal)

    baker19 olympic lifts and hes pretty knowledgable too. send a PM to him, he'd be able to answer olympic lifting questions
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    Originally Posted by 2 HUGE View Post
    olympic lifting is really good I heard. I do some of the lifts, but focus purely on bodybuilding (thats my goal)

    baker19 olympic lifts and hes pretty knowledgable too. send a PM to him, he'd be able to answer olympic lifting questions
    I could also stick with a compound like a 5x5...so many options
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    I could also stick with a compound like a 5x5...so many options
    yeah options are endless. I like compound workouts though

    my entire routine is based on about 90% compound movements

    best way to gain mass imo
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    haha sick thread I admire Eugene Sandow's physique. I was reading his life story on the site the OP posted, he helped to the bodybuilding to the public.

    you guys should check this out
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    Originally Posted by Clamz View Post
    his arms sure don't look 18, steve reeves had 18s and he was 6'1"
    I'm pretty sure they were at one point in his life, probably in his late 20s or early 30s. The pics the OP posted were all from different times. I think the first one was from when he was 19 and he wasn't 18" then.
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    Originally Posted by GSimon View Post
    haha sick thread I admire Eugene Sandow's physique. I was reading his life story on the site the OP posted, he helped to the bodybuilding to the public.



    I'm pretty sure they were at one point in his life, probably in his late 20s or early 30s. The pics the OP posted were all from different times. I think the first one was from when he was 19 and he wasn't 18" then.
    yeah he really was the man. He was able to live a normal life, get his exercise and look great

    that picture was actually when he was 20, but you're right, he looks very young.
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    he had a good physique back then but by todays standards.. eh not so much. i dont really care for it
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    thread in tribute to attaining the Greek Ideal body.

    Eugene Sandow, needs no introduction was the father of modern bodybuilding.
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    Sandow's diet and regimine:

    ON DIET:
    I do not care for anything intoxicating (hard liquor), but do enjoy a beer or some wine on occasion. I never touch tea or coffee. I eat "plain", wholesome food for the most part, but do "indulge" on occasion. I have my meals at regular intervals, and prefer simple foods that are easy to digest. I chew my food well and believe strongly that mastication is a key to good health. I believe a good nights sleep is very important in maintaining health. I am not able, due to my performance schedule, to go to bed before midnight, so I remain in bed asleep until 11 typically.
    SANDOW'S TYPICAL DAY:
    Year round I take cold baths, and afterwards, I do a light-weight dumbell routine. I then have breakfast, then attend to my correspondence. I then enjoy seeing my friends. After this, I typically go for a long walk or if it is not sunny, I will take a ride in a horse-drawn carriage. I have my dinner promptly at 7 p.m., then attend my evening performance. After appearing at the theatre, I will have my evening cold bath, followed by a late night supper.


    Sandow's stats:

    SANDOW'S MEASUREMENTS
    At age 35 (1902)

    height: 5'9 1/4"
    weight: 202 lbs.
    neck: 18"
    chest: 48"
    biceps: 18 1/2" His real biceps size was 16"
    forearm: 16 1/2"
    wrist: 7 1/2"
    waist: 30"
    hips: 42"
    thigh: 26" <------ thighs actually 23'
    knee: 14"
    calf: 18"<---------calves actually about 15"
    ankle: 8 1/2"

    all from: http://www.sandowmuseum.com/sandowone.html

    He did this all over 100 years ago. With the nutrition knowledge, medicine and equipment we now have I think most people can do it with a bit of work.

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    he exaggerated about his measurements.
    get a copy of "The Truth About Weight Lifting" ,it has his true measurements in it.
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    he had a good physique back then but by todays standards.. eh not so much. i dont really care for it
    it's very Greek, by today's or yesterday's standards. I respect that goal
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    Originally Posted by jax larue View Post
    he exaggerated about his measurements.
    get a copy of "The Truth About Weight Lifting" ,it has his true measurements in it.
    I won't buy the book just for that, but I'll take your word for it.
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    How does his waist go from 30" to hips 42" when the pics look like it's almost straight down.
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    Everyone needs to stop talking about his measurments. He is the founder of bodybuilding, and the bronze statue givin to Olympia winners is a statue of him. Show some respect.
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    those stats are all fukked up...`those are not 18.5' guns
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    Originally Posted by Baba_ghanoush View Post
    those stats are all fukked up...`those are not 18.5' guns
    you guys are so hung up on measurements...that's not the important part
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    you guys are so hung up on measurements...that's not the important part
    If they're not important, don't post the measurements. If you see something false, it's natural to question it.
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    Originally Posted by Devils View Post
    If they're not important, don't post the measurements. If you see something false, it's natural to question it.
    posted for you chaps since it's what you worry about. They're interesting to know, but making or breaking a thread is pretty retarded.

    and as far as the proof that he lied, referring to a weight he "had" to have been to get the size he claims, Frank Zane, as you mentioned was contest weight of 185.
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    Originally Posted by Schadenfreude View Post
    posted for you chaps since it's what you worry about. They're interesting to know, but making or breaking a thread is pretty retarded.

    and as far as the proof that he lied, referring to a weight he "had" to have been to get the size he claims, Frank Zane, as you mentioned was contest weight of 185.
    I admire Eugen Sandow because he got bodybuilding are as it was called back them Physical Culture really going and all but I don't like the fact he exaggerated about his measurements.

    For those interested in his measurements they where:

    Chest normal: 44 inches
    Chest expanded:47 inches
    upper arms:16 3/4 inches
    thigh:24 inches
    weight:180 pounds

    These measurements where taken from The Truth about weightlifting by Alan Calvert first publsihed in 1911.
    He wrote this book to get down to the heart of weightlifting and tell what feats where real and what wasn't and whose measurements where real and whose where exaggerated.
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    Originally Posted by jax larue View Post

    Chest normal: 44 inches
    Chest expanded:47 inches
    upper arms:16 3/4 inches
    thigh:24 inches
    weight:180 pounds

    These measurements where taken from The Truth about weightlifting by Alan Calvert first publsihed in 1911.
    He wrote this book to get down to the heart of weightlifting and tell what feats where real and what wasn't and whose measurements where real and whose where exaggerated.
    That is what I respect, its hard enough now days distinguishing natural physiques from steroid enhanced ones.

    Those measurements are great and realistically achievable.
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