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    I haven't personally tried this but just bought it from all of the reviews on it. I dont know if you're looking for NO product specifically but from the reviews I've read everyone loved NO Shotgun by VPX. I have tried and am currently finishing up CL White Flood and it is a very good product. I wanted to try somthing new though.
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    Superpump is a great option and much more then just caffeine and arginine. Its also the only preworkout that is clinically proven as well.
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    Originally Posted by fauske View Post
    i am looking for the best pre-workout supplement. But i need some help. I have used NO Explode before and liked the results but am trying to do some research on what else is out there. I have talked to some of my friends on here and they say that NanoVapor isnt worth it. And i had my eyes on Nuclear Garbage. Can anyone give me some pointers? thanks for your time,
    shawn
    Since you are doing research, you might be interested in REPS by Supplement Direct. It is a new product so there is not allot of customer feed back yet. It is being offered at an introductory price of $9.99. Hear is some information.

    REPS is a innovative pre-workout formula designed to increase performance and work capacity while in the gym, on the field and during periods of sporting competition. REPS works on many different levels within the body, in order to improve work capacity and performance. REPS combines the following ingredients into a powerful and efficient pre-workout intensifier.

    An individual who weighs between 201-250 pounds would consume 5 rounded scoops which would result in the following quantity of ingredients being ingested:

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate.......... 1.5 grams
    Creatine Monohydrate................... 4.0 grams
    L-Citrulline Malate........................ 3.0 grams
    Beta Alanine............................... 3.0 grams
    Caffeine..................................... 200 milligrams
    Taurine...................................... 4.0 grams
    Ribose....................................... 3.0 grams
    __________________________________________________ ________
    Total......................................... 18.70 grams of active ingredients

    The product is currently available on-line and at all Supplement Direct locations. The new Wild Watermelon is currently in the process of being shipped to the Bodybuilding.com's respective warehouses.

    If you are interested in REPS please click on the following link or contact Bodybuilding.com at 1-877-991-3411:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sd/reps.html

    There are currently three versions available:

    -ELECTRIC LEMONADE (Caffeinated)
    -GRAPELICIOUS (Caffeine Free)
    -WILD WATERMELLON (Caffeinated)

    Supplement Direct felt that it was necessary to offer a Caffeine free pre-workout formula for the following reasons:

    -Some individuals train later in the evening or at night and need a caffeine free product.
    -Some individuals are currently taking some form of fat burner and do not wish to consume added caffeine.
    -Some individuals have allergic reactions to caffeine and or similar stimulants.
    -Many customers are disappointed with the current Pre-Workout formulas available and feel that many are just flavored caffeine water. Supplement Direct decided that in the interests of the consumer, it is imperative that they are able to try the formula with out caffeine, in order to truly feel the power of the other 6 ingredients.


    Not only does Supplement Direct tests each and every batch of raw material, but they also freely give the laboratories information and copies of the Independent Third Party Lab Assays. Supplement Direct uses the following lab:

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    Originally Posted by deserusan View Post
    Superpump is a great option and much more then just caffeine and arginine. Its also the only preworkout that is clinically proven as well.
    wow, really? didn't know that. i remember the Novedex XT study - do you have all your products clinically tested?
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    Originally Posted by WCC View Post
    wow, really? didn't know that. i remember the Novedex XT study - do you have all your products clinically tested?
    Yes. Our original Novedex XT pilot study was picked up by Baylor who then conducted their own study. Right now Im working to see a few more pilots hopefully turn into peer reviewed studies as well.
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    Originally Posted by fauske View Post
    i am looking for the best pre-workout supplement. But i need some help. I have used NO Explode before and liked the results but am trying to do some research on what else is out there. I have talked to some of my friends on here and they say that NanoVapor isnt worth it. And i had my eyes on Nuclear Garbage. Can anyone give me some pointers? thanks for your time,
    shawn
    I like the creatine/beta-alanine mix. You can take it through out the day as well. Helps with recovery and explosive power during your work outs. You can buy 'em seperate or some supp co.s have products that combine both. Add some omega 3's to get some extra size.
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    has anyone heard of nuclear garbage? if so what did you think?
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    Originally Posted by fauske View Post
    has anyone heard of nuclear garbage? if so what did you think?
    I don't like it when companies get so outrageous with their names just to try and get people to buy it, i just feel like i'm being played.
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    a friend of mine has taken naNO vapor and loved it. When he lifted I could def tell a difference when he took it vs. not taking it.
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    Originally Posted by REPS-Forum-Rep View Post
    Since you are doing research, you might be interested in REPS by Supplement Direct. It is a new product so there is not allot of customer feed back yet. It is being offered at an introductory price of $9.99. Hear is some information.

    REPS is a innovative pre-workout formula designed to increase performance and work capacity while in the gym, on the field and during periods of sporting competition. REPS works on many different levels within the body, in order to improve work capacity and performance. REPS combines the following ingredients into a powerful and efficient pre-workout intensifier.

    An individual who weighs between 201-250 pounds would consume 5 rounded scoops which would result in the following quantity of ingredients being ingested:

    Arginine Alpha-Ketoglutarate.......... 1.5 grams
    Creatine Monohydrate................... 4.0 grams
    L-Citrulline Malate........................ 3.0 grams
    Beta Alanine............................... 3.0 grams
    Caffeine..................................... 200 milligrams
    Taurine...................................... 4.0 grams
    Ribose....................................... 3.0 grams
    __________________________________________________ ________
    Total......................................... 18.70 grams of active ingredients

    The product is currently available on-line and at all Supplement Direct locations. The new Wild Watermelon is currently in the process of being shipped to the Bodybuilding.com's respective warehouses.

    If you are interested in REPS please click on the following link or contact Bodybuilding.com at 1-877-991-3411:

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/sd/reps.html

    There are currently three versions available:

    -ELECTRIC LEMONADE (Caffeinated)
    -GRAPELICIOUS (Caffeine Free)
    -WILD WATERMELLON (Caffeinated)

    Supplement Direct felt that it was necessary to offer a Caffeine free pre-workout formula for the following reasons:

    -Some individuals train later in the evening or at night and need a caffeine free product.
    -Some individuals are currently taking some form of fat burner and do not wish to consume added caffeine.
    -Some individuals have allergic reactions to caffeine and or similar stimulants.
    -Many customers are disappointed with the current Pre-Workout formulas available and feel that many are just flavored caffeine water. Supplement Direct decided that in the interests of the consumer, it is imperative that they are able to try the formula with out caffeine, in order to truly feel the power of the other 6 ingredients.


    Not only does Supplement Direct tests each and every batch of raw material, but they also freely give the laboratories information and copies of the Independent Third Party Lab Assays. Supplement Direct uses the following lab:

    San Rafael Chemical Services

    2180 E. 4500 S. #125

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    801-277-8228

    You can see all the lab assays by clicking on the following link:

    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=7604231

    Good luck in your research.
    Cool, just ordered the caffeine free one. Thanks for the cheap intro price, it's literally unbeatable.
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    SP250 has worked great for me as well as Shock Therapy. I like to switch between the two, seems to consistantly make a difference in my motivation to hit the gym as well as gains in my lifts.
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    Originally Posted by parkerbro1 View Post
    Cool, just ordered the caffeine free one. Thanks for the cheap intro price, it's literally unbeatable.
    well for someone your weight, you would use 3 scoops. so its 10.00 for 13 servings. So it's not bad, on par with white flood.
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    Originally Posted by parkerbro1 View Post
    I like the creatine/beta-alanine mix. You can take it through out the day as well. Helps with recovery and explosive power during your work outs. You can buy 'em seperate or some supp co.s have products that combine both. Add some omega 3's to get some extra size.
    The creatine/ beta alanine mix is patetnted so anyone using it and not using CarnoSyn branded beta alanine is in violation of the patent. This is why you rarely see the combo used. It's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
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    I say super pump 250 i used it for a while but quit early and now i have been goin for 2 weeks and i have already seen a lot of improvement in energy, stamina, and muscle definition.
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    Originally Posted by parkerbro1 View Post
    Cool, just ordered the caffeine free one. Thanks for the cheap intro price, it's literally unbeatable.
    Thanks for the positive feed back. You can also thank Bodybuilding.com as they definitely help with introductory prices. My favorite way to take the product is to just throw one rounded scoop in my mouth at a time. It dissolves real fast and tastes like a Grape Pixie Stick! The Ribose is sweet and the Citrulline Malate is sour, so it really gets your taste buds firing. Just be sure and wash it down with 8-10 ounces of water as the product will hit you to fast and hard without any water.
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    I don't think there is much evidence to support many of the arginine-based pre-workout products living on the NO hype. The body is very limited in how much arginine will convert to NO and simply dumping arginine into the system will not add up to much in the way of increasing NO.
    Chances are higher doses will only equal more time on the toilet.

    I think Ragnarok, SteelEdge by AEN and the MAN Sports line (Clout/Body Octane/Scorch) would be great choices with ingredients backed by solid science.

    Purple Wraath, IntrAbolic and other EAA/BCAA or quality whey products would be also good to consume just before workouts to promote a more anabolic environment... some studies suggest they work better pre/intra-workout rather than post-workout.
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    Thanks for the positive feed back. You can also thank Bodybuilding.com as they definitely help with introductory prices. My favorite way to take the product is to just throw one rounded scoop in my mouth at a time. It dissolves real fast and tastes like a Grape Pixie Stick! The Ribose is sweet and the Citrulline Malate is sour, so it really gets your taste buds firing. Just be sure and wash it down with 8-10 ounces of water as the product will hit you to fast and hard without any water.
    Dude 5 scoops though, thats alot of powder. What happens when you get used to it 10 scoops? Holy S%!!
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    my fav Pre Workout energy thats not NO for cheap is FUBAR from FUSION bodybuilding.. caffeine+ L-Tyrosine is awesome plus its got green tea and yerba mate both awesome energy boosters. Gotta drink tons of water while working out ( of course)!
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    I've tried SP250, Nano and Black Powder. Out of those 3 I have to say I like Black Powder the best.
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    Originally Posted by cbsxr800 View Post
    Dude 5 scoops though, thats alot of powder. What happens when you get used to it 10 scoops? Holy S%!!
    You are correct! A 201-250 pound individual would take 5 rounded scoops which would result in 28.7 grams of material. In that serving size, you would receive 18.7g of active ingredients with 7 grams of dextrose. Since Supplement Direct did not use a one size fits all serving like others, it is important to not over dose on the supplement, as it is quite strong. If you train twice a day with weights or lift weights in the AM and have practice for your sport in the PM then you can take the product twice in a day. However, if you took a double serving at once you would be very uncomfortable as 6 grams of Beta-Alanine and 6 grams of Citrulline Malate would be to strong for most individuals.
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    5 scoops of reps = roughly 2.7g of BA....kinda underdosed I feel

    especially since most will take 3 max 4 scoops...which means 1.7-2.2g only

    that being said...for the price...its good stuff

    btw, what kind of creatine are we looking at? mono?
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    No Shotgun

    this is by far the best N O i have tried no explode nanovapor nanox9 which is pill form also sp250 and nothing come close to No shotgun

    i am interested in white flood though after reading so much about it
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    Hey people can diss MT all they want, but my friend got Nano Vapor and Ive tried it for a week, one scoop 10 min b4 work out and it gets me going. My muscles get pumped as hell it gives me a **** load of energy and makes me want to work out and lift more...
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    Originally Posted by mcuachrp View Post
    Hey people can diss MT all they want, but my friend got Nano Vapor and Ive tried it for a week, one scoop 10 min b4 work out and it gets me going. My muscles get pumped as hell it gives me a **** load of energy and makes me want to work out and lift more...
    Nano gets good reviews from most people who try it..
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    4sure NaNO is the bomb, i love how it is like almost instant to kick in too. I hate waiting for like 30- 45 min before i'm supposed to lift, you gotta like plan your whole day around working out. With NaNo you can even walk into the gym with it and just do some warm ups for like five min and then start looking for some HEAVY ASS wieght to start repping off like forever.
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    Ok because you are fairly new, I will help you out.
    Instead of just suggesting 1 supplement you can search.
    You need to go to the store, There is a Popular Store link in the top left of the screen.
    Then click where it says
    Choose a Product
    then select/highlite
    Energy Supplements

    it will take you here
    VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/ener.htm

    There you can select between


    Name

    Lowest Price

    Top Sellers

    Price Per...

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    ect.
    that is what you need!
    This is helpful
    Thank you and goodnight!
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    Originally Posted by deadaim View Post
    Woo for caffeine and carbs
    2nd that!

    I was taking NO xplode for a bit. Did some research on L-Arganine and found that it is useless unless taken in large dosages I.V.

    When taking NO i noticed a good pump and realized that it was all just in the caffeine. That's all I take now and it works just the same as the NO
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    Originally Posted by Peter LeDrew View Post
    The body is very limited in how much arginine will convert to NO and simply dumping arginine into the system will not add up to much in the way of increasing NO.
    Chances are higher doses will only equal more time on the toilet.
    x2

    Complex carbs + a high bv mix of fast, medium, and slow digesting protein= Best Pre-workout Supplement
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