Flax seed and pain!

**kendo** · 03-11-2003, 03:34 AM

In the supps thread guys were at the point of cussing about the benefits of flax seed oil and joint pain -

I'm not joking guys I have been religiously taking just 3 tablespoons/day of organic fso and I can hardly feel any pain in my knees. I didn't believe it would work so well but the proof is in the pudding! If this keeps up hopefully I'll get my leg routine back!

**MagicMel** · 03-11-2003, 07:54 AM

Ditto on the flax and joint pain. Since I doubled the amount of flax I was taking, it has helped my rotator pains considerably!

**TwoWalks** · 03-11-2003, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by MagicMel
Ditto on the flax and joint pain. Since I doubled the amount of flax I was taking, it has helped my rotator pains considerably!

When I started back, I had pain in the right shoulder, both knees and the left elbow. Limited a great deal the different exercises I could do. I started on flax seed oil and right away the shoulder got better, in a month the shoulder and knee pains were gone and this past week, I realized that the pain in the left elbow has reduced probably 75%. Flax seed oil has made a believer out of me.

**Dutchman** · 03-11-2003, 03:02 PM

Completely agree with you Kendo, Flaxseed Oil is every bit as important to me as Glutamine in reducing aches and pains. Being allergic to the shellfish in Glucosamine I was very pleasantly surprised in the flax effect when I got started on it. Nowadays, I take 3 Tablespoons in the AM and 3 at night before hitting the sack. Works wonders!

**Charger** · 03-11-2003, 06:04 PM

Now I'm really confused

I started taking glut. about 2 months ago, love it! My knees feel better, elbows, I forgot they ever hurt. Thing is I also started back on Flax about the same time. I thought it was the Glut, maybe it's the flax or both?? Oh well, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'll keep taking both.

**IPR** · 03-11-2003, 06:42 PM

Flax as an EFA is of great benefit, but IMHO I wouldn't expect it to be the best fat/oil for helping healing. Polyunsaturated fats tend to suppress the immune system, whilst saturated fats improve and enhance it.......or maybe this suppression of the immune system is helping as maybe the pain is caused BY your immune system?

My guess for those of you who have found benefit in taking flaxseed oil is great keep doing it, but its probably the increase in total fat intake that results from this that maybe the reason rather than it being specifically flax per se.

**Belle** · 03-11-2003, 09:45 PM

I take organic fla/safflower oil 1:1 ratio. I read it increases prostaglandins, which are supposed to reduce your pain threshold. However, I suppose if it's helping to heal also (has vit E) then it's doing both. Also helps with weight loss too I heard because the hormones responsbile for that are increased with flax oil apparently, but you have to be taking 2 tablespoons and above to benefit which most of you are anyway. I wasn't taking it for joint pain initially, it was to help turn up fat burning process.

**kendo** · 03-12-2003, 02:07 AM

Originally posted by IPR

My guess for those of you who have found benefit in taking flaxseed oil is great keep doing it, but its probably the increase in total fat intake that results from this that maybe the reason rather than it being specifically flax per se.

When I was on the high fat regime however IPR without flax seed - I never experienced any knee pain releif?

**TrishB** · 03-12-2003, 02:20 AM

Something I need to try ........thanks for the info.

**Gator** · 03-12-2003, 05:23 AM

I gotta try this also..
im soo rickety right now, everything hurts, in and out of the gym

Gator

**tracyb555** · 03-12-2003, 06:47 AM

I was taking the capsules for awhile (just recently ran out). Are these just as good as taking the regular oil or seeds? I was also taking glucosomine/chondroitin ever since I started marathon training. Don't know what to attribute it too, but with all that training, my knees seemed to hold out. In my previous high mileage days, I used to have a lot of knee pain.

**MagicMel** · 03-12-2003, 08:25 AM

Tracy, it takes a kajillion caps to equal 1 tbs of flax oil.

Get flax oil from your local health food store. Make sure it's in a lightproof bottle and is in the refridgerated section of the store. Make sure you check the expiration date, too.

I take a minimum of 4 tbs per day. I just mix it in with my protein shake, but not post workout. Sometimes I use it instead of olive oil in my salads.
Some people on this site have even chugged it straight from the bottle. UGH!

**tracyb555** · 03-12-2003, 11:01 AM

Thanks Mel - that's what I thought. I'll try & pick some up today.

**kendo** · 03-12-2003, 12:21 PM

Done my first set of hack squats tonight light with no knee pain whatsoever. Prayers to the Flax God.

**IPR** · 03-12-2003, 04:41 PM

Originally posted by TrishB
Something I need to try ........thanks for the info.

Trish.....you should be taking flax or fish oil anyway, as this helps to improve the important omega-6 : 3 ratio. We all get too much 6 whilst flaxseed oil is a majority 3.

Kendo.......odd really do you mean you didn't take flax whilst on keto?

**back2it** · 03-12-2003, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by tracyb555
I was taking the capsules for awhile (just recently ran out). Are these just as good as taking the regular oil or seeds? I was also taking glucosomine/chondroitin ever since I started marathon training. Don't know what to attribute it too, but with all that training, my knees seemed to hold out. In my previous high mileage days, I used to have a lot of knee pain.

I see Mel answered but just to give you some detail . It takes between 9 and 14 capsules to equal 1 tbspoon depending on the capsule size .

**Charger** · 03-12-2003, 06:15 PM

Originally posted by MagicMel
I just mix it in with my protein shake, but not post workout.

Why not post workout? I do ?? I take 1 tbls flax/one tbls honey/creatine/protein powder/HMB post workout

**IPR** · 03-12-2003, 07:22 PM

Originally posted by Charger
Why not post workout? I do ?? I take 1 tbls flax/one tbls honey/creatine/protein powder/HMB post workout

The fat from flaxseed oil will slow down absorption of the protein etc, which is not what you want post w/o.

**Phatman1179** · 03-13-2003, 09:24 AM

Maybe this has been asked before but I have been taken fish oil caps. I have joint problems with my shoulder and take Celbex (Cox2 inhibitor) and Glucosamine. I went out and bought the Flax oil. So now Do I add the Flax oil to the Fish oil caps or do I replace the Fish oil caps with the Flax and should I discontinue the Celbrex?

**Belle** · 03-13-2003, 02:05 PM

Here you are... fish oil caps have omega 3's and 6's combined. So flax oil should cover you equally as well to the point that you can drop the fish oil capsules. here is some more info:

Flax Seed Oil is a rich source of Omega-3 essential fatty acid (EFA). Besides containing Omega-3 EFA�s (specifically Alpha-Linolenic Acid), flax seed oil typically contains approximately 10-20% each of Omega-6 Linoleic Acid (the other primary EFA) and Omega-9. Essential fatty acids are considered "essential" because they are the main structural components of the body's cell membranes, but cannot be synthesized by the body and must be obtained from the diet. Western diets are usually deficient in Omega-3 fatty acids however, and contain too many Omega-6 fatty acids. The ratio of Omega-6's to Omega-3's in the Western diet is believed to be as high as 14:1 (14 grams of Omega 6's for every gram of Omega-3's), whereas a ration of no more than 3:1 is recommended. Excessive amounts of Omega-6 EFA's are believed to promote the development of many diseases, including cardiovascular disease, cancer, and inflammatory and autoimmune diseases. Saturated fats and vegetable oils like corn, soy, canola, safflower and sunflower oil are high in Omega-6 fatty acids, and interfere which the body's ability to utilize Omega-3 EFA�s.

Omega-3 fatty acids are found in certain plants like flax seed, canola oil and walnuts, and in cold water fish such as salmon and tuna. Relying on diet alone for Omega-3�s is difficult though. For instance, contamination is a potential issue when it comes to increasing the amount of fish in one�s diet because fish can accumulate toxins such as mercury, dioxins, and PCBs. And while fish oil contains the most beneficial and active Omega-3 EFA�s - eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA) and docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) - some individuals find that taste and digestive problems are an issue. The main Omega-3 EFA in flax seed oil is alpha-linolenic acid (LNA), which is converted to EPA and DHA in the body, though the rate of conversion probably varies by age, gender, and type of body tissue.

One must also consider the ratio of Omega-6's to Omega-3's in natural food sources. Flax seed oil contains the best ratio (the least Omega-6's to Omega-3's) of any of the vegetarian food sources. Flax seed oil is also one of the richest sources of "lignans", natural phytochemicals that are found in the fiber, rather than the oil portion of flax seeds (depending on their filtration method however, individual flax seed oils may, or may not, contain high lignan levels). Lignans are �phytoestrogens� (structurally related to estrogen) and may protect against chronic diseases, such as hormone-dependent cancers, cardiovascular disease and osteoporosis. NOTE: Flax seed oil freshness is an important consideration because rancid oil will have an unpleasant taste and may not be as effective. For this reason it is important to use refrigerated flax seed oil, and oil that contains Vitamin E as a preservative / antioxidant.

http://remedyfind.com/rem.asp?ID=4379

**IPR** · 03-13-2003, 06:32 PM

Originally posted by Belle
. Saturated fats and vegetable oils like corn, soy, canola, safflower and sunflower oil are high in Omega-6 fatty acids, and interfere which the body's ability to utilize Omega-3 EFA�s.

Since when did saturated fat become an EFA containing Omega-6 FFA's?

Please bear in mind that more than 50% of ones cells structure is formed from saturated fats. These can be synthesised from Monounsaturated fat.

We don't need large amounts on polyunsaturated fats, in fact over consumption of polyunsaturated fat can cause many health problems, so the term "healthy fats" used to describe ploy's is very misleading IMO.

The important thing is balance, and improving the 6:3 ratio.

But, probably the most important thing is to remove Trans fats from ones diet. These are the hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated fats made from polyunsaturated fats. The altered fat becomes a semi-solid with a very long shelf life and is in many mayo's, margarines, peanut butters etc. Unfortunately our bodies don't realise these are altered fats and include them in our cells = very bad.

One final point, don't heat or cook with omega-3 oils. An oxidized polyunsaturated fat becomes unhealthy, tons of free radicals.

**GLAlexander** · 03-14-2003, 02:17 PM

Is there a problem with adding the flax seed oil to my protein shake. I use a blender and would add flax seed oil along with soy milk, protein powder, and a banana.

**IPR** · 03-15-2003, 12:59 AM

GLA.....if its NOT your post w/o shake ading flax to a shake is a great way to tak your EFA's. If it is post workout, I would drop the soy milk, drop the flax and maybe even the banana (eat it ab hour later).

Post w/o, many take just whey and dextrose in water. The dextrose preferentially replenishing muscle glycogen rather than liver, and the absence of fats using whey one get very quick absorption.

When cutting this is a good approach, as in general you will not experience any spillover into fat storage.

**GLAlexander** · 03-15-2003, 06:37 AM

IPR

Thanks for the feedback. Right now for post workout I am using Universal Lava, but am considering going to Biotest Surge.

The shake with my flax seed oil is my last shake of the night.

**IPR** · 03-15-2003, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by GLAlexander
Universal Lava, but am considering going to Biotest Surge.

I don't know the content of these, but my current preference is 100% whey (unflavoured), grape juice (some fructose, but mainly dextrose) and creatine for recovery. Nice and simple

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