FACT: Activate Extreme lowers Total Testosterone.

[lavaman5]

that is all.

[x ShAnE x]

Strong 9th post.
Proof?

[VaughnTrue]

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ghlight=jkeith


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[Adawg4929]

Ofcourse any Divanill product will reduce total testosterone while on the product and possibly for a couple weeks after due to the fact that much more testosterone is unbound creating higher Free Testosterone and lower Total Testosterone. Total Testosterone really doesn't mean much, it all depends on how much is bound to SHBG.

[lavaman5]

Ofcourse any Divanill product will reduce total testosterone while on the product and possibly for a couple weeks after due to the fact that much more testosterone is unbound creating higher Free Testosterone and lower Total Testosterone. Total Testosterone really doesn't mean much, it all depends on how much is bound to SHBG.

Thanks for the info. I only made this post because most people do not realize this.

[hordeall]

so what if your testosterone is low to begin with won't you be in worse shape or does it not matter since more free T is released

[lavaman5]

so what if your testosterone is low to begin with won't you be in worse shape or does it not matter since more free T is released

Hmmmm I guess you're right Activate is bad for PCT.

[nni]

it will raise overall test levels as well, but free test moreso. the level of rise or drop in total test is more dependant on user. some will see a slight rise, others will see a slight drop. everyone reacts differently.

[Adawg4929]

Thanks for the info. I only made this post because most people do not realize this.

It is the same reason you dont want to use Divanill products during first weeks of PCT.

Divanill causes an increase in Free Testosterone giving your body a false positive that you have enough Testosterone when in fact your total testosterone is incredibly low, so during PCT you dont want to use it until your Testosterone production is closer to back to normal.

Applying the same thought to Stand Alone cycles or while not on PCT, during Divanill cycles your Free Test. is increased dramatically, your body notices this and believes it has more then enough testosterone and doesn't produce it at the same rate it was before. So you have lower Total Test but incredibly increased Free Test, over 2 weeks after you stopped your Free Test slowly returns to normal as does your Total Test.

it will raise overall test levels as well, but free test moreso. the level of rise or drop in total test is more dependant on user. some will see a slight rise, others will see a slight drop. everyone reacts differently.

Im guessing with the inclusion of Icarrin and other ingredients to mimick/boost total testosterone the drop isnt as common as it might have been in the original Activate?

[lavaman5]

it will raise overall test levels as well, but free test moreso. the level of rise or drop in total test is more dependant on user. some will see a slight rise, others will see a slight drop. everyone reacts differently.

The thread i saw showed decrease in free test. This would be bad for pct i think.

[Adawg4929]

The thread i saw showed decrease in free test. This would be bad for pct i think.

I Highly doubt a Divanill based product created a decrease in Free Test.

[yCat]

I am the lavaman...

comin from bountyland!

[nni]

Im guessing with the inclusion of Icarrin and other ingredients to mimick/boost total testosterone the drop isnt as common as it might have been in the original Activate?

correct.

The thread i saw showed decrease in free test. This would be bad for pct i think.

i still think youa re the guy that got banned twice for this, so forive me for not overextending myself, but no you didnt.

[lavaman5]

i still think youa re the guy that got banned twice for this, so forive me for not overextending myself, but no you didnt.

I dont know who you think I am, but lowering test isnt good in PCT, at least from what I've read.

[nni]

I dont know who you think I am, but lowering test isnt good in PCT, at least from what I've read.

we dont market the product for use in pct. it is a total and free test booster. some people might react with a negligable drop in total test, some wont. all will experience a rise in free test, and from a bodybuilding/athletic point of view, this is what you want.

[yCat]

[ncangey0513]

lol @ you and the other guy in the red joining this month. negged for bringing this back up and being annoying.

[Free Weight Friedel]

Wow, strong trolling against AE!!

[SHOWTIME]

it will raise overall test levels as well, but free test moreso. the level of rise or drop in total test is more dependant on user. some will see a slight rise, others will see a slight drop. everyone reacts differently.

Are you saying some people using this supplement will have a drop in free test?

[nni]

Are you saying some people using this supplement will have a drop in free test?

no, total test. i would say almost everyone will have a rise in free test (i would say everyone, but who knows) and some people might see a slight decrease in total test, while most will see a rise in total test.

[SHOWTIME]

no, total test. i would say almost everyone will have a rise in free test (i would say everyone, but who knows) and some people might see a slight decrease in total test, while most will see a rise in total test.

OK, thanks for your opinion. (serious)

[UHCougar05]

that is all.

FACT: I'm the Emperor of the Moon.

that is all.

[Viperspit]

How does total test react differently then free test when a test booster is utilized? If you are freeing up bound test and thereby increase your "free test", why would your total test levels go down?

[VaughnTrue]

How does total test react differently then free test when a test booster is utilized? If you are freeing up bound test and thereby increase your "free test", why would your total test levels go down?

I'm taking a guess, but I would assume it has to do with the bodies tendency to keep levels "even"(like with testosterone/estrogen). If you boost your free test, something else must go down in order to compensate

[Viperspit]

I don';t follow Vaughn. If you are freeing Test you are freeing it into your overall "pool" correct? If so, then that "pool" would increase no?

[nni]

I don';t follow Vaughn. If you are freeing Test you are freeing it into your overall "pool" correct? If so, then that "pool" would increase no?

no, not exactly. your body has its total test pool, and a few free test people swimming in it. the more the pool gets filled, the more the body thinks the pool is big enough, and will stop filling the pool. or to make it clearer than that awful analogy, the body doesnt want your levels to go to high, so if the free test is high, it thinks that too much test has been released, and will slow production down until things return to baseline.

[Adawg4929]

I don';t follow Vaughn. If you are freeing Test you are freeing it into your overall "pool" correct? If so, then that "pool" would increase no?

The increased Free Test creates a false positive of more then enough testosterone there for total testosterone is lowered. Everything has an opposite and equal reaction.

It is the same reason you dont want to use Divanill products during first weeks of PCT.

Divanill causes an increase in Free Testosterone giving your body a false positive that you have enough Testosterone when in fact your total testosterone is incredibly low, so during PCT you dont want to use it until your Testosterone production is closer to back to normal.

Applying the same thought to Stand Alone cycles or while not on PCT, during Divanill cycles your Free Test. is increased dramatically, your body notices this and believes it has more then enough testosterone and doesn't produce it at the same rate it was before. So you have lower Total Test but incredibly increased Free Test, over 2 weeks after you stopped your Free Test slowly returns to normal as does your Total Test.

Im guessing with the inclusion of Icarrin and other ingredients to mimick/boost total testosterone the drop isnt as common as it might have been in the original Activate?

[Rodzilla]

can't total test levels vary on the day to day?

[Adawg4929]

can't total test levels vary on the day to day?

Not only from a day to day basis, but it also fluctuates at different times through out the day.

[Viperspit]

no, not exactly. your body has its total test pool, and a few free test people swimming in it. the more the pool gets filled, the more the body thinks the pool is big enough, and will stop filling the pool. or to make it clearer than that awful analogy, the body doesnt want your levels to go to high, so if the free test is high, it thinks that too much test has been released, and will slow production down until things return to baseline.

Ah gotcha, thanks for the explanation. I know free test levels are important, but didn't know the interaction to overall test levels.