If you have lots of pre workout carbs before (70 grams), and intra-workout carbs as well (35g WMS)? I usually have some smarties, a few spoons of honey, or a jelly sandwich after. Would it benefit my cut if I got rid of the PWO simple carbs?
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03-09-2008, 06:01 PM #1
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Should you have post workout carbs while cutting.....
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03-09-2008, 06:06 PM #2
unless you're doing something like the anabolic diet where carbs are restricted to <30g, pre and post workout nutrition is important for recovery purposes and it will give you more energy throughout the day
I do a half cup of dry oats pre and half cup post, with a scoop of whey in each shake.
as long as what you have fits into your macros and calories it's goodLast edited by KeepOnShruggin; 03-09-2008 at 06:08 PM.
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03-09-2008, 06:11 PM #3
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Well my current macros are:
250g Protein
200g carbs
50g fatRemember God in prosperity and He will remember you in adversity
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I would have to say during a cut you should at least minimize simple carbs and stick to fruit for a post workout carb source. In any case, I would say don't eat crap like smarties.
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03-10-2008, 01:21 AM #6
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Unless your training is protracted or have not had adequate pre-exercise nutrition, I don't see why intra-training carbs would be needed.
Here's some alternative information to consider ...
Given the appropriate conditions, and with proper pre-training nutrition, it is not necessary to conume a large amount of carbs or sugar for that matter to elevate insulin and blood sugar in order to facilitate nutrient uptake, protein synthesis and to shut off the catabolic switch. Insulin can be elevated through various additive mechanisms. And a level less than a spike will go a long way. A good dose of Leucine + whey hydrolysate as well as other supplements such as R-ALA & Bitter Melon will go a long way towards achieving this. You can benefit from some carbs, you just don't need to down a ton of sugar or carbs to get the benefits. They may not even be needed at all under some conditions.
There are both an insulin dependant and insulin independant pathway to protein synthesis. They are synergistic and there is an additive effect. A small increase in insulin + a high level of amino acids is more anabolic than either alone.
Check these out too...
Do post-exercise carbs actually help?
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03-10-2008, 02:43 AM #7
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i would have to say yes. just dont get carried away. cutting or not, post workout carbs are important. i always have a gatorade mixed with two scoops of whey after my training even in the last few weeks leading up to competition, and i dont think it hurt me one bit. if your totally freaked about taking in that much sugar, then try grounding up a half cup of oats in a coffey grinder or blender untill it turns to a fine powder, and mix that in with you post workout protein. either way, in my opinion you have to have those post workout carbs.
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03-10-2008, 04:04 PM #16
Yea. Personally I don't eat a lot of PWO carbs cutting, and they are complex, but I don't see how someone can agree/disagree with 'carbs' (complex or simple) PWO without seeing the rest of your diet, including pre-WO, relative amounts of carbs and possibly even witnessing your WO.
I prefer to spread out my carb intake a bit, than jam them in PWO. But that's just what seems to work better for me. When I worked out at night I was better off jamming a lot more carbs pre and immediately post WO.Last edited by Jules Verne; 03-10-2008 at 04:07 PM.
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03-10-2008, 04:46 PM #17
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i still say you should do this cardio afterwards, since you are cutting use all the glycogen you have in your body and focus on your weights, save the moderate stuff for afterwards.
As for your post-workout carb choices i would say get some complex carbs, you get adequate pre-workout nutrition and you sustain a insulin spike throughout your workout there is no need to keep jacking it up again especially after your workout, you could deal with some oats post-workout and this will be just fine.
The whole post - workout spike is overrated with proper pre/during workout nutrition.
I would also suggest passing on the WMS during your workout especially on a cut, stick with a EAA or a Beta Alanine supplement, i would highly suggest Bodywell's First Order to keep energy levels up and delaying fatigue from an intense workout.
Ive also posted a bunch of times about how honey is not the best post-workout carb source to use, but to each his own.. there is a study on t-nation.com by john berardi if you want me to pull it up
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03-10-2008, 08:18 PM #18
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Here's an example of my diet from my log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showpo...&postcount=206Remember God in prosperity and He will remember you in adversity
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03-11-2008, 05:20 AM #19
Looks like you are loading carbs around your WO, which is fine. Also looks plenty to me. If you wanted to reduce calories shaving off 20g of carbs pre WO and some during the workout would probably be fine. Worth a try anyway, see how you feel. You could also reduce them by more than just a little (say have 30-40g preWO, none during and 20-40 PWO) and do re-feed/carb-up days every 4-7 days.
It looks fairly solid, from here I think you're going to just have to experiment a bit to see what works best for you. Or take some more experienced advice from someone who has experience training different people. Everyone can chime in with what they would do, and that might be good for some suggestions to try, but I think you are going to have to self-experiment a bit.Last edited by Jules Verne; 03-11-2008 at 05:23 AM.
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03-11-2008, 10:33 AM #21
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i agree with jules, take in a decent amount before hand, about 40 or so afterwards, and get some for breakfast, these are the ideal times to load up on carbs to keep you fueled for the day and around your workout
focus the rest of your meals on protein + fat meals and minimal carbs from green veggies or even a bit from carrots or corn.
This will keep you lean even while cutting and it helped me cut over 100lbs
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