Lean Xtreme With 11-0X0

[LaxPro]

Yes, I know, another LX thread. I apologize. But i was looking for more opinions regarding this potential stack. I realize they both control cortisol, but beyond that they are entirely different. with the hype surrounding the new version of LX, and 11-0X0s recomp capabilities, i'm thinking this could be very effective in simultaneous muscle gain/fat loss. Any other input/opinions?

[RWoods]

the two would be great for a good cut stack, as long as you realize that 11oxo is a PH and does require PCT

[LaxPro]

Thanks. I will follow with a bottle of 6-0x0 if it is necessary. I'm not in the market for non-otc based PCT's. I did 4 weeks of propadrol before at 40mgs without PCT and didn't see or feel much in terms of shutdown.

[RWoods]

Originally Posted by LaxPro

Thanks. I will follow with a bottle of 6-0x0 if it is necessary. I'm not in the market for non-otc based PCT's. I did 4 weeks of propadrol before at 40mgs without PCT and didn't see or feel much in terms of shutdown.

how did you run prop at 40 mg when it comes in 30mg pills? but anyway Prop only requires only requires OTC PCT as well. ya, 6oxo will be good for PCT

[LaxPro]

Originally Posted by RWoods

how did you run prop at 40 mg when it comes in 30mg pills? but anyway Prop only requires only requires OTC PCT as well. ya, 6oxo will be good for PCT

30mgs, my bad. ok 6-0x0 it is. thanks.

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by RWoods

you realize that 11oxo is a PH and does require PCT

Another false statement made by you; it is recommended to have PCT at higher doses and is up to your discretion if run at 3 caps per day. I myself, will not run PCT after 3 caps per day but I am not prone to gyno-related problems after Superdrol with no PCT.

[SurfDan5]

that would be a great stack for cutting

[Al Swearengen]

waste of money really, if you're going to run 11oxo save the lean extreme for another cycle.

[darknessWithin]

11oxo doesnt affect cortisol its a pro hormone

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by darknessWithin

11oxo doesnt affect cortisol its a pro hormone

You sir, are wrong.

[RWoods]

Originally Posted by Beejis60

Another false statement made by you; it is recommended to have PCT at higher doses and is up to your discretion if run at 3 caps per day. I myself, will not run PCT after 3 caps per day but I am not prone to gyno-related problems after Superdrol with no PCT.

i dont know why your trying to call me out today, it seems quite immature to say the least. i have never heard of 11oxo being called anything but a prohormone. Adrenosterone=PH . most people run it at more than 3 caps a day as well, infact, most people seem to be running it at atleast 9 caps a day.

[Al Swearengen]

Originally Posted by RWoods

i dont know why your trying to call me out today, it seems quite immature to say the least. i have never heard of 11oxo being called anything but a prohormone. Adrenosterone=PH . most people run it at more than 3 caps a day as well, infact, most people seem to be running it at atleast 9 caps a day.

it depends on what you run it for. i used it for my cut as a cortisol mod at 3 caps and it worked very, very good and i had no ph side effects during or after my cycle. i have no idea what doses over that would be like although.

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by RWoods

i dont know why your trying to call me out today, it seems quite immature to say the least. i have never heard of 11oxo being called anything but a prohormone. Adrenosterone=PH . most people run it at more than 3 caps a day as well, infact, most people seem to be running it at atleast 9 caps a day.

At higher doses, I would highly suggest PCT, but at lower doses you may not need PCT IMO, hence my "callouts". There are numerous threads I read along with PMs I get where these users are running 3 caps per day so your generalization is somewhat biased.
Have you ever run 11-OXO before?

[RWoods]

Originally Posted by Beejis60

At higher doses, I would highly suggest PCT, but at lower doses you may not need PCT IMO, hence my "callouts". There are numerous threads I read along with PMs I get where these users are running 3 caps per day so your generalization is somewhat biased.
Have you ever run 11-OXO before?

i also agree that at 3 caps a day no PCT should be necessary because shutdown would be little to none, but truthfully the vast majority of threads that ive seen referencing 11oxo are with people running it at at least 9 caps a day. i suppose those are people trying to use it for its "prohormonal" properties and running it alongside another cutting PH like furaz or halo(so i guess that could be considered biased). i have not run 11oxo before, i would like to for the formentioned purposes but its just too expenisive for me.

[Beejis60]

Originally Posted by RWoods

i also agree that at 3 caps a day no PCT should be necessary because shutdown would be little to none, but truthfully the vast majority of threads that ive seen referencing 11oxo are with people running it at at least 9 caps a day. i suppose those are people trying to use it for its "prohormonal" properties and running it alongside another cutting PH like furaz or halo(so i guess that could be considered biased). i have not run 11oxo before, i would like to for the formentioned purposes but its just too expenisive for me.

So for the instances you mention, then yes you need PCT.

[darknessWithin]

its most potent mechanism of action is selective 11beta-HSD1 inhibition leading to lower cortisol levels in the right places

secondarily, it serves as a prohormone that will cause suppression of testosterone production to some degree which will be dose dependent