does casein cause cancer?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?

[TheUnlikelyToad]

Very true. And weren't alot of the older casein's of poorer quality than the ones being produced nowadays?

Perhaps, but I have no real way of telling what tha quality controls are for other companies. I only know what standards tha company I work for currently has in place.

Without a doubt Xtreme feels Micellar Casein is tha best form of casein currently available and is why it is used in our Ultra Peptide formulas.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

http://www.ezhealthydiet.com/casein-protein.html

food for thought. I still eat casein... fuk it, gotta die sometime.

Interestingly, they also found that feeding the animals the same levels of plant based protein (gluten and soy) did not at all promote cancer growth.

Most farm animals are not meat / animal protein consumers to begin with and is something to also consider. Customizer is a big advocate for grass-fed, organic animal products.

[Elliptical Envy]

Grass fed beef is the bomb diggity.

[MJ1331]

http://www.ezhealthydiet.com/casein-protein.html

food for thought. I still eat casein... fuk it, gotta die sometime.

That site promotes becoming vegan, which can cause other health problems. Off the top of my head vegans often have iron, calcium, vit d, vit b and iodine deficiencies.

[gogators222]

That isn't true. I am lactose intolerant and I can consume micellar casein without any issues. Cheap caseinates might be a potential culprit though.

So I shouldn't order ON 100% Casein after I finish my last tub of UP 1.0 to save some money?

[hatchet26]

that guys a jackass, woooooo to casein, woooo to milk, wooo to makin your protein shakes taste better, wooo to gettin huge.

[TALLGUY1989]

that guys a jackass, woooooo to casein, woooo to milk, wooo to makin your protein shakes taste better, wooo to gettin huge.

how am i a jackass?

[TALLGUY1989]

So I shouldn't order ON 100% Casein after I finish my last tub of UP 1.0 to save some money?

u do now up 1.0's main ingridient is micellar casein dont you bro?

[mrk23]

how am i a jackass?

i think hes referring to the guy in the video.

[mrkdrt]

That's all that was said in that video. I saw nothing about casein = cancer.



Could casein potentially increase cancer growth? Sure, so could whey, egg, soy, pea, architoke and any other protein source you can think of... FOOD in general can increase cancer growth as it supports tissue and cell growth.

Casein itself however is not carcinogenic by nature.

well spoken
and true

[gogators222]

u do now up 1.0's main ingridient is micellar casein dont you bro?

yup..but he said Elliptical Envy said to worry about cheap caseinates, not micelar casein. Idk wtf to think anymore anyway

[TALLGUY1989]

yup..but he said Elliptical Envy said to worry about cheap caseinates, not micelar casein. Idk wtf to think anymore anyway

well like their whey, which most people like, the MAIN INGREDIENT IS MICELLAR CASEIN this means at least 51 percent of the pretein is micellar casein so yea if ur lookig for a new protein u could try true protein micellar casein, im kinda suspicious of their company seeing as their internet based, and when reading their forums, i saw people complaining of how their proteins looked and tasted different from the last time they ordered im sure their just another dynamatize or protein factory company. but im just paranoid if u feel that its a good alternative u should check it out or if u can stil lafford it stick with the up 1.0 from what ive seen looks much better than 2.0!

does anybody know if any retail stores sell xtreme formulations products i checked their site and it doesnt sayy.(shipping sucks, and im kinda weary of buying craPp online too LOL

[TheUnlikelyToad]

does anybody know if any retail stores sell xtreme formulations products i checked their site and it doesnt sayy.(shipping sucks, and im kinda weary of buying craPp online too LOL

We have very few retail stores at this time. IMHO it's best to buy direct from us or bodybuilding.com

Either way I guarentee you'll get your shipment.

[TALLGUY1989]

We have very few retail stores at this time. IMHO it's best to buy direct from us or bodybuilding.com

Either way I guarentee you'll get your shipment.

i havent looked in about a week, sp dpnt yell at me if im wrong =p but how come on the xtreme formulations site, it cost soooo much more than on bb.com? that makes 0 sense. also i have a question i read an article a year ago that said that whey/casein blends were stupid. it said the two cancel eachothers positive effects. it said the casein slows down the whey and the whey sppeeds up the casein. thoughts?

[TheUnlikelyToad]

i havent looked in about a week, sp dpnt yell at me if im wrong =p but how come on the xtreme formulations site, it cost soooo much more than on bb.com? that makes 0 sense. also i have a question i read an article a year ago that said that whey/casein blends were stupid. it said the two cancel eachothers positive effects. it said the casein slows down the whey and the whey sppeeds up the casein. thoughts?

First, look at other companies websites. 99.9% of them will have products more expense than bb.com ie. MSRP (Manufacture's Suggested Retail Price). It makes 100% sense from a business aspect... black star labs instead.

Second, you'll read a lot of things off tha net. Not every thing you read is true. If that way indeed true, our formula would not be what it is. Mostly complex carbs and fiber is what slows protein digestion times down significantly IMO. Everthing else is splitting hairs so an extent.

[SurfDan5]

looks like a load of crap to me

[TALLGUY1989]

First, look at other companies websites. 99.9% of them will have products more expense than bb.com ie. MSRP (Manufacture's Suggested Retail Price). It makes 100% sense from a business aspect... black star labs instead.

Second, you'll read a lot of things off tha net. Not every thing you read is true. If that way indeed true, our formula would not be what it is. Mostly complex carbs and fiber is what slows protein digestion times down significantly IMO. Everthing else is splitting hairs so an extent.

the thing that confuses me is why, u guys the manufactuer would charge more than bb.com i figured itd be less from u guys juss saying

[TALLGUY1989]

looks like a load of crap to me

ii hope so im buying some on 100 percent whey tomorrow lol

[XtraPush]

if i got my order of Ultra Peptide over here on this rock, i'm sure you wont have a problem ordering from Xtreme or bb.com

[TheUnlikelyToad]

the thing that confuses me is why, u guys the manufactuer would charge more than bb.com i figured itd be less from u guys juss saying

Why am I starting to get tha feeling you are in tha red for a reason?

Why am I taking tha time to help you process this information only to say you are going with a whey only product???

[TALLGUY1989]

Why am I starting to get tha feeling you are in tha red for a reason?

Why am I taking tha time to help you process this information only to say you are going with a whey only product???

thats for my post workout i was interested in up 1.0 for a bed time protein as opposed to on

[Elliptical Envy]

So I shouldn't order ON 100% Casein after I finish my last tub of UP 1.0 to save some money?

I've never tried it so I couldn't say. I'd request a sample to see if you have problems before ordering a tub of ON Casein.

[TALLGUY1989]

I've never tried it so I couldn't say. I'd request a sample to see if you have problems before ordering a tub of ON Casein.

DOES extreme formulations offfer samples???

[Elliptical Envy]

DOES extreme formulations offfer samples???

Not at this time.

[TheUnlikelyToad]

the thing that confuses me is why, u guys the manufactuer would charge more than bb.com i figured itd be less from u guys juss saying

There is more to it than what I'm about to say but it's late and I'm tired, so quick example... a company sells their own products cheaper than bb.com. bb.com is in tha business to make money. Why would bb.com buy a companies products to sell if said company is constantly going to undercut them? bb.com would make no money. Companies generally like bb.com services as they can reach more people than selling just out of Headquarters. That's another reason why you obtain distributors... but that doesn't work if you're going to undercut them and sell your own product cheaper than your own prices you've set forth and established via MSRP.

[Elliptical Envy]

There is more to it than what I'm about to say but it's late and I'm tired, so quick example... a company sells their own products cheaper than bb.com. bb.com is in tha business to make money. Why would bb.com buy a companies products to sell if said company is constantly going to undercut them? bb.com would make no money. Companies generally like bb.com services as they can reach more people than selling just out of Headquarters. That's another reason why you obtain distributors... but that doesn't work if you're going to undercut them and sell your own product cheaper than your own prices you've set forth and established via MSRP.

Standing O for Toad

[mer-der-ah]

http://www.ezhealthydiet.com/casein-protein.html

they say this on the site:

What he discovered was that protein did indeed promote cancer development. However it was not all types of protein. What Campbell discovered was that casein, which comprises 85% of the protein in cow?s milk, promoted cancer in all stages of its development. The safe protein, that which did not promote cancer, was plant based.

so does that mean since the only protein that _doesn't_ cause cancer is plant based. oh **** i'm fukt... i also supplment my protein with whey, not just casein!@$ FAK!!! that's like two kinds of milk protein!@$!@ JEEBUS ALLAH BOODAHHHHHH SAVE MEEEEEEEE. lol

[TALLGUY1989]

they say this on the site:

What he discovered was that protein did indeed promote cancer development. However it was not all types of protein. What Campbell discovered was that casein, which comprises 85% of the protein in cow?s milk, promoted cancer in all stages of its development. The safe protein, that which did not promote cancer, was plant based.

so does that mean since the only protein that _doesn't_ cause cancer is plant based. oh **** i'm fukt... i also supplment my protein with whey, not just casein!@$ FAK!!! that's like two kinds of milk protein!@$!@ JEEBUS ALLAH BOODAHHHHHH SAVE MEEEEEEEE. lol

lmao i hope ur not gonna switch to soy. GIRLS DONT LIKE THE MAN BOOBIES =P

[mer-der-ah]

i hear rice, soy and hemp protein are what make hippies so damn huuuuge.

[Tallmofo]

i hear rice, soy and hemp protein are what make hippies so damn huuuuge.

dont forget the tofu!