A noob (me) needs advise with first cycle

[Moreno13]

Hello all ,

I have an issue that I need help with .
In late Jan I did a 3 week cycle of M-drol. Now I got prolactin gyno 1.5 weeks into the cycle . Now its been about
a month of pct using liquid caber , vitex, nolva ,6oxo and B6 . Now I still have
fluid coming out when I squeeze my nipples but there is no pain now .

Here is my question , I want to try my first cycle of test E or C at around
300 mg a week for about 8-10 weeks . I read that test will kill prolactin levels
as long as you keep estrogen low . Is this correct ?
I plan on using letro to keep estrogen low and maybe even liquid caber for
the prolactin level's .

BTW this cycle (if I decide to run it) will not start for another month or two .

Thanks

[c_entw]

Bro - If I was milking, the last thing I would be thinking about is another cycle. Your endocrine system is a mess. When a man is lactating, that's a pretty big deal. You need to get your hormones sorted out first. If (notice I didn't say 'when') if you are able to do that, maybe think about another cycle.

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by c_entw

Bro - If I was milking, the last thing I would be thinking about is another cycle. Your endocrine system is a mess. When a man is lactating, that's a pretty big deal. You need to get your hormones sorted out first. If (notice I didn't say 'when') if you are able to do that, maybe think about another cycle.

I appreciate your input and will take your advice .

Thanks again !

[creativedesignz]

its actually normal to have some fluid come out of ur nipples if u squeeze it. I have showed my endo as well as my dr, as as long as it isnt an insane amount its fine. I would have blood work done and make sure tho before starting another cycle.

[Moose46]

Originally Posted by c_entw

Bro - If I was milking, the last thing I would be thinking about is another cycle. Your endocrine system is a mess. When a man is lactating, that's a pretty big deal. You need to get your hormones sorted out first. If (notice I didn't say 'when') if you are able to do that, maybe think about another cycle.

x2, exactly what I was going to say

[c_entw]

Originally Posted by creativedesignz

its actually normal to have some fluid come out of ur nipples if u squeeze it.

What kind of nipples do you have over there?

[creativedesignz]

im talkin about the tinest amount of fluid lol. my doc said it was normal and so did my endo, so only time will tell i guess. Its been like that since i was about 15.

[Moose46]

Originally Posted by c_entw

What kind of nipples do you have over there?

maybe he's part cow? jk bro

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by Moose46

maybe he's part cow? jk bro

Well , I also don't think its that bad , when you get older your prolactin levels and estrogen levels go up while test goes down .

Found this info in wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecomastia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Male_lactation

Stop "mechanical stimulation" on your nipples guys . lol

Found this also http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byiss...lactation.html

Milkmen: Fathers Who Breastfeed
I first became interested in male lactation in 1978 after reading Dana Raphael's book, The Tender Gift: Breastfeeding. Although Raphael only dealt with the subject briefly, she did say that men can and have produced milk after stimulating their nipples.

While my husband David had no interest in nursing our son, we both were intrigued with the idea. We had just had our first unassisted homebirth and were excited about applying our positive thinking techniques to other aspects of our lives. Although Raphael had written about milk production through nipple stimulation, perhaps, we thought, David could do it simply through suggestion. He began telling himself that he would lactate, and within a week, one of his breasts swelled up and milk began dripping out. When we excitedly showed my father (a physician) David's breast he said, "Obviously there's something physiologically wrong with David." The fact that David had willed himself to do this, did not impress him. We knew, however, that this was yet another example of the power of the mind.

Still, we were not ready for David to actually breastfeed our baby. First of all, there was no need for it. I was doing just fine on my own. But more importantly, he simply had no desire to do it. After he discovered that his body had indeed been responsive to his thoughts, he suggested to himself that the lactation would stop, and within a week his breast returned to normal. The experiment had been a success.

[WantToBeStudly]

^ Somehow I probably could've done without reading that last post today...

[Moreno13]

Well ,I went a head with the cycle .
Im on the end of my fith week and no lactation , no other issues with gyno .

I'm using nolva , liquid caber from rc and liquidex .
I have Bromo on the way but thats just extra insurance .

BTW this is just testosterone at 500mg 2x week for 10 weeks .

Monday will be the start of my 6th week .

For pct I will use bromo clomid and nolva .
I have 20 50mg clomid tabs
I have 50 20mg tamoxifen tabs
I also have a bottle of liquid nolva the I use here and there instead of the
tabs .

I should have the bromo tabs by the end of my cycle


Thanks

[WantToBeStudly]

^ That's interesting....I've always been under the impression bromo was only used while cycling tren - in case of any progrestrin problems...?

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by WantToBeStudly

^ That's interesting....I've always been under the impression bromo was only used while cycling tren - in case of any progrestrin problems...?

Well , Bromo is to lower prolactin , from what Ive read you need estrogen
for prolactin gyno to develop . So my theory is that once I stop the test
I will have to much estrogen and with my previous luck with M-drol I didnt
want to take a chance of having more prolactin issues .

So the Bromo will be just in case I start leaking again after the cycle is over .


Edit : I had to squeeze to get lactation from my nipples so its not like they actually leaked . lol

[DocHol1day]

Originally Posted by cjchevez

Well ,I went a head with the cycle .
Im on the end of my fith week and no lactation , no other issues with gyno .

I'm using nolva , liquid caber from rc and liquidex .
I have Bromo on the way but thats just extra insurance .

BTW this is just testosterone at 500mg 2x week for 10 weeks .

Monday will be the start of my 6th week .

For pct I will use bromo clomid and nolva .
I have 20 50mg clomid tabs
I have 50 20mg tamoxifen tabs
I also have a bottle of liquid nolva the I use here and there instead of the
tabs .

I should have the bromo tabs by the end of my cycle


Thanks

surely you mean 250mgs twice a week for a total of 500 per week right.

1g a week is a huge dose if your new to injectables.....

hows your gyno doing now? any noticeable differences?

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by DocHol1day

surely you mean 250mgs twice a week for a total of 500 per week right.

1g a week is a huge dose if your new to injectables.....

hows your gyno doing now? any noticeable differences?

Sorry , I meant 500mg a week and the gyno is still there but its not too
noticeable .
My left nipple is pretty bad compared to my righty . Its been 4
months since the M-drol so I'm sure my prolactin levels are dropping and for some reason this cycle is not aggravating the gyno so far . (knock on wood)

[DocHol1day]

unless i'm mistaken test only cycles dont cause prolactin gyno.

dont take that as gospel though, i have less steroid expierence than you.

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by DocHol1day

unless i'm mistaken test only cycles dont cause prolactin gyno.

dont take that as gospel though, i have less steroid expierence than you.

yes , you are correct but you forget that I have been battling this M-drol
prolactin induced gyno . So this isnt really for the test but for the M-drol prolactin induced gyno .

So my thinking is ...

If I have high prolactin in my system and then have high estrogen after this cycle then Im in trouble if I have no bromo/caber .

At least thats my theory . lol

[bdiesel]

Originally Posted by c_entw

Bro - If I was milking, the last thing I would be thinking about is another cycle. Your endocrine system is a mess. When a man is lactating, that's a pretty big deal. You need to get your hormones sorted out first. If (notice I didn't say 'when') if you are able to do that, maybe think about another cycle.

this is right on. see an endocrinologist. gyno is one thing, fluid is another. that means your body is out of whack big time.

as for being normal, i have never had any discharge from my nipples. ever. nor do i know any men personally who have. it is not normal and it is not healthy. if an endo said it was, you should get a second opinion.

[DocHol1day]

Originally Posted by cjchevez

yes , you are correct but you forget that I have been battling this M-drol
prolactin induced gyno . So this isnt really for the test but for the M-drol prolactin induced gyno .

So my thinking is ...

If I have high prolactin in my system and then have high estrogen after this cycle then Im in trouble if I have no bromo/caber .

At least thats my theory . lol

sounds good. i'm certain you've done much more research than i have

[Moreno13]

Originally Posted by bdiesel

this is right on. see an endocrinologist. gyno is one thing, fluid is another. that means your body is out of whack big time.

as for being normal, i have never had any discharge from my nipples. ever. nor do i know any men personally who have. it is not normal and it is not healthy. if an endo said it was, you should get a second opinion.

No need for an endo , Im not dying and its not as bad as it sounds . I have to literally squeeze for a long time to get a little moisture out of them now .


No lie about 10 years ago a saw my father with a little puddle of white discharge from his nipple . I was like what is that and my mom jumped in a said that some man get that . So it may run in my family but his still alive and his nipples still look the same , mine on the other hand get puffy .

I plan on getting the nipples fixed hopefully next year .


Thanks for your concern though .