Cutting split

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 05:02 PM

Hey,
I am:
5'8"
162 Lbs

I'd like to get as cut as possible. (want to get rid of the belly)
Right now i do a 5 day training split, no cardio
I'd like to incorporate cardio into my split

Does anyone have any ideas
Right now my split is:
day 1- legs
day 2 - chest
day 3 - back
day 4 - shoulder, trap
day 5 - bi/tri
my workouts are about 1 hour max.
My post work-out shake is 2 scoops optimum whey, 2 scoops dextrose, in skim milk.

What do you think?
I feel i need to get my diet in check so if anyone has any meal plans, etc, i would really appreciate it

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:14 PM

Get rid of that milk dude!! MILK IS FOR BABYS!! And I'm being serious!! And after a workout?? Naw man...lose it out of ur life!

**layerfire** · 03-07-2003, 05:19 PM

milk probably aint best post workout, but great before bed as it is slow diggesting protein, ignore reza. Most people will tell you how good milk is for you.

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 05:23 PM

hmm really so i should just take it with water post-work out eh

i always thought skim milk was alright , damn

anyway, any ideas on incorporating cardio into my split?

i was thinkin of shortening my workouts (less sets, less time between sets), and then doin like 30 min of cardio
so in essence, it would be 1 hour = 30 min weight training, 30 min cardio

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:23 PM

Ignore Reza? What are you talking about???? Why is milk good for you? BREAK IT DOWN BRO and I'll prove every single point of urs wrong!! Let's hear this....

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:25 PM

Like I've said before, ur workouts should stay the same...adjust ur diet...if u insist on cardio...20mins after ur workouts VERY LIGHTLY...about 70% of ur max HR

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 05:26 PM

Oh yeah, milk was also one of my main protein sources
i'd have it in a shake in the morning along with a bowl of cheerios, then with shakes throughout the day as well
how could i go about replacing that protein,

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:27 PM

While cutting all ur sources should be CHICKEN, TUNA, MRP's, PROTEIN POWDERS....NO DAIRYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Off days u can go EXTRA LEAN GROUNDBEEF

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 05:32 PM

Okay thanks,

Can anyone suggest a daily meal plan?
Especially for breakfast, I don't really want to eat like 10 egg whites, i'd like to actually enjoy my meals ;-)

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:35 PM

1/2 cup oatmeal
8whites 1 whole egg

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 05:44 PM

I said i didnt want to eat egg whites! hah
but i guess i could live with it,
What about the rest of the day, i wanna keep it as simple as possible
and no tuna! im sick of it,

i know im sounding picky but i think the only way i could stay with a meal plan, is if i can easily make the meals and they're at least half enjoyable.

**shwaym** · 03-07-2003, 05:44 PM

reza: why no dairy? you havent given reasons not to ingest it for meals other than post workout.

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 05:48 PM

Dairy has a lot of fat to start with....all CASEINS are useless to the BB'er especially when cutting....and it's for babys IMO...we are fed as babys and that should be it....I've discussed this with guys from MuscleTech....Amateur bodybuilders and a guy that is EXTTREMELY good friends with Lee Labrada and they all agree. Not sayin don't use it go ahead......not sayin don't....I just don't recommend it.

**barrist** · 03-07-2003, 06:18 PM

bump

**shwaym** · 03-07-2003, 06:25 PM

what about skim milk at night, several hours and 2 meals after my workout. whats so bad about that? your body will use the casein while you sleep because you dont need large quantities right away. or if you train at night why not have it in the morning/afternoon? whey doesnt wait around for you if you have it several hours before you need it.

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 06:28 PM

Not while ur cutting...if u want slow absorption u'll want to add FLAX to ur late night meal bro...that's good enough for slowing down the absorption.

**shwaym** · 03-07-2003, 06:43 PM

whats the point then....why have whey + flax when you could just have milk? seems youre biased for some reason. were you hit by a milk truck while riding your bike as a child?
as my signature states: bulking

**Reza** · 03-07-2003, 06:48 PM

shwaym get ur dick out of ur ass and go read on different types of FAT!!!! Better yet...goto search and type EFA

**nateakabear** · 03-07-2003, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by Reza
Ignore Reza? What are you talking about???? Why is milk good for you? BREAK IT DOWN BRO and I'll prove every single point of urs wrong!! Let's hear this....

Your a real idiot. Obviously you don't no crap about bodybuilding so why don't you just leave this forum and stop giving crap advice.

**barrist** · 03-08-2003, 07:14 AM

bump,
give me some ideas for a meal plan, and my split

**brad427** · 03-08-2003, 07:58 AM

Originally posted by Reza
Not while ur cutting...if u want slow absorption u'll want to add FLAX to ur late night meal bro...that's good enough for slowing down the absorption.

See what i mean when i said the **** you post is bad. Milk is awesome whether you are bulking or cutting. Just use skim while cutting and 2% or whole while bulking.

**shwaym** · 03-08-2003, 11:11 AM

reza: dont assume i dont know about different types of EFAs, fool.
i vary my fat intake like everyone else. dont try to diss me just because you were proved wrong.

**barrist** · 03-08-2003, 08:07 PM

Ok this is what i've come up with, what do u think:

Day 1 (Legs)
- Squat (3x10)
- Calf Machine (3 x 15)
- Leg extension (3 x 10)
- Leg curl (3x10)
- Leg press (2 x 10)
- 30 min. on elliptical
Day 2 (Chest)
- Flat Bench Press (pyramid sets)
- Incline Dumbbell press ( 2 sets: 8, 6)
- Cable flys (high pulley) (3 x 8)
- Cable flys (low pulley) (3 x 8)
- Pec Deck (Pyramid sets)
- 30 min on elliptical
Day 3 (Back)
- Chin-ups (3 x 8)
- T-bar (Pyramid sets)
- Seated Row (2x8 )
- Lat pulldowns ( 3 x 8 )
- Barbell row ( 2 x 6)
- 30 min on elliptical
Day 4 (Shoulders/Traps)
- Dumbbell shoulder press ( 3 x 8)
- Dumbbell shrugs (Pyramid sets)
- Lateral Raise ( 3 x 6 )
- Reverse pec deck ( 2 x 10)
- Upright rows ( 2 x 8 )
- 30 min on elliptical
Day 5 (Bis/Tris/Forearms/Abs/Lower back)
- Dips ( 3 x 10 )
- Preacher curl ( 3 x 8 )
- Close grip bench press ( 2 x 8 )
- Hammer curls ( 2 x 8 )
- Triceps extension machine or cable push-downs (Pyramid sets)
- Barbell or dumbbell curl ( 2 x 8)
- Ab machine, crunches, lower back extension ( sets to exhaustion )
- 30 min on elliptical

Meal Plan
Meal 1 (breakfast) - 5 egg whites, 2 cups oatmeal, protein shake, multi-vitamin
Meal 2- whole wheat toast with natural peanut butter, bowl of Cheerio�s

Meal 3 (lunch) - sliced deli chicken or roast beef on whole wheat, banana

Meal 4 (post work out) - protein shake (with dextrose)

Meal 5 - yogurt, bowl of all-bran flakes

Meal 6 (Dinner)- brown rice with chicken, brocoli, cooked in canola oil

Before bed - Protein shake

**Reza** · 03-08-2003, 08:24 PM

NO BRO!! Believe me!! I have been told by EVERYONE that milk is no good for you PERIOD if your cutting.....I"M NOT SAYIN I INVENTED THE THEORY!! LMAO It's just that everyone that I know that is relatively huge or has some sort of degree or has been in the field for as long as I'm alive has said it's no good!??!!? I PERSONALLY RAPE MILK when I'm bulking!! lol

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