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    whats the most powerful Non Steroid(can be prohormone) supplement available?

    ???

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    ???

    what the hell is that?

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    better yet, what the hell kind of question are you asking??

    If im reading your question correctly you are wondering what the most powerful prohormone there is on the market that produces anabolic effects. Well first of all do a search on 1-test, 1-4andro, and 4-AD, you should get a lot of information off this board by doing a search. Secondly try and create questions that can be translated into English, not Engrish.

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    ok..

    Originally posted by Jedi Master
    better yet, what the hell kind of question are you asking??

    If im reading your question correctly you are wondering what the most powerful prohormone there is on the market that produces anabolic effects. Well first of all do a search on 1-test, 1-4andro, and 4-AD, you should get a lot of information off this board by doing a search. Secondly try and create questions that can be translated into English, not Engrish.
    let me make myslf more clear... im curious whats the most powerful Non- Illegal supplement on the market? and whats placebo?

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    The fact that your asking that question proves you don't know anything and you shouldn't be taking anything "powerful".

    but when your ready I give a big bump to that Placebo stuff. I gained 15lbs of lean muscle mass and lost 10lbs of fat in 1 month.
    Its better than the Nitro Tech/Cell Tech stack!!
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    There isn't one that is more powerful than the other but they have different applications.

    1-test is good for lean muscle gain.

    4-ad is good for mass gain and water retention. It also counteracts the lethargy that can be caused by 1-test.

    1,4 andro is good for lean muscle gain and a vascular appearance.



    A placebo is a fake, usually a sugar pill used in scientific studies to give comparison results of two or more test groups. The "Placebo Effect" is when you unknowingly take a placebo and think you see positive benefits. The benefits are caused more by positive thinking than the actual pill.

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    Re: ok..

    Originally posted by JKidd05
    and whats placebo?
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    mark

    Originally posted by Mark142
    The fact that your asking that question proves you don't know anything and you shouldn't be taking anything "powerful".

    but when your ready I give a big bump to that Placebo stuff. I gained 15lbs of lean muscle mass and lost 10lbs of fat in 1 month.
    Its better than the Nitro Tech/Cell Tech stack!!
    ok mark, just cause im not up on the latest 'juice' doesnt mean i dont know ****, i know a lot more than u roid heads might think, im asking a simple ****ing question, I dont want Illegal Steroids! but i also want to know whats the most powerful supplement besides roids!? is that such a ****in hard question to answer? and i still dont see how that simple question implies that i dont know anything

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    Re: ok..

    Originally posted by JKidd05
    let me make myslf more clear... im curious whats the most powerful Non- Illegal supplement on the market? and whats placebo?
    A placebo is something that works solely due to the fact that the patient believes it will.

    Non-Illegal is a double negative, the word "legal" is sufficient.

    I've no idea which legal supplement is the most powerful... I imagine it would vary depending on why you wanted to use it. (For growth, strength, fat loss, etc.)

    Keep in mind you can gain a good amount of strength and size with little or no supplementation. When I was 19, I gained over 15 pounds of (mostly) muscle in less than a year simply by eating a lot of eggs and constantly guzzling milk.

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    Re: whats the most powerful Non Steroid(can be prohormone) supplement available?

    Originally posted by JKidd05
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    Re: mark

    Originally posted by JKidd05
    ok mark, just cause im not up on the latest 'juice' doesnt mean i dont know ****, i know a lot more than u roid heads might think, im asking a simple ****ing question, I dont want Illegal Steroids! but i also want to know whats the most powerful supplement besides roids!? is that such a ****in hard question to answer? and i still dont see how that simple question implies that i dont know anything
    I really don't mean to 'come down' on you or anything, but from your post it really seems like your a 5'11, 125lbs computer nerd with no friends and is looking for an easy way to make girls like him and guys want to chill and be jealous of him.

    Just cause something is legal does not mean it is safe. I don't know from first hand experience, but from posts that I have read on the boards a lot of legal PH's can screw you around more than roids can because a lot of them don't even deliver real anabolic results. Something like Andro will just make your you boobs get bigger.

    And to the person who said food...your 100% correct, food is the most anabolic thing on this planet, and without food roids won't even do any good. On another note though, if you are a noob and looking for advice on setting up a routine, supplementation IM me and I'll be more than happy to give you some advice. And teach you how to ask a proper question

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    Re: Re: mark

    Originally posted by Mark142
    I really don't mean to 'come down' on you or anything, but from your post it really seems like your a 5'11, 125lbs computer nerd with no friends and is looking for an easy way to make girls like him and guys want to chill and be jealous of him.
    Who are we talking about here? It sounds like you just described me
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    ok....

    well since i see im dealing with a bunch of genious's i better clear some things up... first if i was referring to illegal steroids, the phrase illegal would be sufficient, but what im asking is for non illegal supplements, therefore i want something legal, if i said i wanted non legal supplements, that would mean i didnt want legal supplements... so for the smartass who said i used a double negative is this clear enough for you? and as for placebo, i know what it actually means, its when u think ur getting steroids, and your really getting nothing... so when u suggested a placebo pill for a supplement i was a bit skeptical because placebos are fake, and im 6'1 195, not 5'11 blah blah... so for the people who r trying to make suggestions, instead of trying to make me look stupid, and failing miserably, ill restate my question, whats the best LEGAL supplement to take to gain muscle and still maintain a decent bodyfat%... or a stack of different suppements, thank you

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    We didn't have to make you look stupid, your thread has done that for you. Try doing a search. Do you know what prohormones are?

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    Re: ok....

    Originally posted by JKidd05
    well since i see im dealing with a bunch of genious's i better clear some things up... first if i was referring to illegal steroids, the phrase illegal would be sufficient, but what im asking is for non illegal supplements, therefore i want something legal, if i said i wanted non legal supplements, that would mean i didnt want legal supplements... so for the smartass who said i used a double negative is this clear enough for you? and as for placebo, i know what it actually means, its when u think ur getting steroids, and your really getting nothing... so when u suggested a placebo pill for a supplement i was a bit skeptical because placebos are fake, and im 6'1 195, not 5'11 blah blah... so for the people who r trying to make suggestions, instead of trying to make me look stupid, and failing miserably, ill restate my question, whats the best LEGAL supplement to take to gain muscle and still maintain a decent bodyfat%... or a stack of different suppements, thank you
    The answer remains the same. You are not ready for prohormones. This is obvious from your post. I'm not being mean here, but if you have to ask these questions, you have not done enough research. You need more natural training, and wait until you are at least 21. Diet DOES account for 90% of muscular gains. Prohormones are simply there to provide a slight boost or break through a plateau. they have similar negative sides as illegal steroids, and are worthless if your diet is not in order and your training is not truly intense.

    For now, my honest advice is to stick with creatine and livertabs. And eat real food, no junk. Whole eggs and cooked liver are darn near as potent as 1-test!
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    Re: Re: ok....

    Originally posted by John Benz
    The answer remains the same. You are not ready for prohormones. This is obvious from your post. I'm not being mean here, but if you have to ask these questions, you have not done enough research. You need more natural training, and wait until you are at least 21. Diet DOES account for 90% of muscular gains. Prohormones are simply there to provide a slight boost or break through a plateau. they have similar negative sides as illegal steroids, and are worthless if your diet is not in order and your training is not truly intense.

    For now, my honest advice is to stick with creatine and livertabs. And eat real food, no junk. Whole eggs and cooked liver are darn near as potent as 1-test!
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    Jesus, give the kid some fuking slack, you guys jump on people like they just raped your mothers, when all they did was ask a semi- stupid question. Some of you need to get laid badly.

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    Originally posted by NJSerious
    Some of you need to get laid badly.
    Just did. Still a ****ty question.

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    Originally posted by NJSerious
    Some of you need to get laid badly.
    I do.
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    Originally posted by RippedUp
    I do.
    LOL, same here, but I try to keep my moodyness due to this fact to a minimum and not show it on internet message boards.

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    Originally posted by NJSerious
    Jesus, give the kid some fuking slack, you guys jump on people like they just raped your mothers, when all they did was ask a semi- stupid question. Some of you need to get laid badly.
    For the above post you deserve....
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    Originally posted by John Benz
    For the above post you deserve....
    Thats cute. Almost as cute as your sisters clit that I sprayed some whip cream on and munched last night.

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    I have no sisters. That was your own mama, you inbred ****ing assclown.
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