The B-Ball Girl that refuses to face the flag

[thewrestler14]

Originally posted by MartialArtist
She's trying to exercise her rights of free speech? At least you have the oppourtunity, at least respect those who fought so you could have that luxury and face the flag. It's one thing to have a peaceful protest of some sort (like a picket march) but to turn your back on the flag means you're turning your back on the entire country, and EVERYBODY and I mean everybody in the history of the US.

big bump to that. in effect she's contradicting herself, using her right to protest but disrespecting the nation that gave it to her.

[Dann]

I think shes retarted not to at least stand looking at it, but she does have the right to free speech, and she is excersizing that, the flag repsents our free country and the people who died for it, not the current political leaders decisons on war and ecomomics, shes ugly wants attention end of story.



Dann

[thewrestler14]

Originally posted by Dann
I think shes retarted not to at least stand looking at it, but she does have the right to free speech, and she is excersizing that, the flag repsents our free country and the people who died for it, not the current political leaders decisons on war and ecomomics, shes ugly wants attention end of story.



Dann

haha dann thanks for supporting my position but I'll warn you to change your spelling of retarded

[EdselTrump]

Originally posted by Smackdown
If I hear one more ******* credit the defeat of the Nazis at the hands of the soviets to the Americans I'm gonna scream. Let me remind of you of this and BPR stop bumping these guys, you were in that thread with me and you know that crediting the americans with beating the nazis is a blatant falsehood.

As for the girl, let her do what she wants. This isn't Nazi germany where YOU MUST SALUTE THE FLAG OR DIE.

ALLRIGHT *******, I'd rather stay on topic, but since you want to get into a little history debate, let's do this:

You want to credit the fall of Nazi Germany to Russia? (yes Russia, the Soviet Union was created after WWII) The only reason that Russia wasn't turned into a big steaming pile of rubble is because of two reasons:

1.) Russia is cold, winters are harsh.

2.) And this is a BIG ONE, Germany had troops and was fighting on both borders. And who were they fighting? China? Australia? Switzerland? No douchebag! It was the United States with a small help from Britain (and I'm not bagging G.B. here, it's just that their focus was mostly the RAF).

Also, if I may add, the tide of WWII was finally turned during a little siege known as D-Day, and more specifically the Battle of the Bulge. Germany had been moving like river water and demolishing everything in sight until then. And who were the orchestraters of both of these battles? Who had the most troops out there risking their asses and fighting hard? THE U.S. YOU PUTZ!

Had the U.S. weakened and not entered the war in Europe, Germany would have overrun it all. It would have marched all the way to the Atlantic Ocean, then turned around and wasted many troops in taking down Moscow and Stalingrad, but it still would have taken it down.

I'll bet you had some ancestors who fought in that war, either alive or dead. If you happen to know somebody who fought in that war, feel free to go tell them that America wasn't responsible for defeating Germany in WWII. After they beat the crap out of you with their cane, maybe you will change your pathetic, pea brained little mind. If not, then I feel sorry for your children, as they will have genes and traits passed down to them that are inferior to monkeys.

Oh, and BTW, I hate flaming, so you might understand how much your commments pissed me off, you pillow humping, ass fisting, gay porn creating, brain delapitated cum dumpster.

[$Big Pimpin$]

That girl is an idiot and pisses me off. She isn't protesting shes turning her back on the US and all the people that have died for it. She should get the **** out of the country and maybe go live in a place better suited for her like......Iraq.

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by EdselTrump
ALLRIGHT *******, I'd rather stay on topic, but since you want to get into a little history debate, let's do this:

You want to credit the fall of Nazi Germany to Russia? (yes Russia, the Soviet Union was created after WWII) The only reason that Russia wasn't turned into a big steaming pile of rubble is because of two reasons:

1.) Russia is cold, winters are harsh.

2.) And this is a BIG ONE, Germany had troops and was fighting on both borders. And who were they fighting? China? Australia? Switzerland? No douchebag! It was the United States with a small help from Britain (and I'm not bagging G.B. here, it's just that their focus was mostly the RAF).

Also, if I may add, the tide of WWII was finally turned during a little siege known as D-Day, and more specifically the Battle of the Bulge. Germany had been moving like river water and demolishing everything in sight until then. And who were the orchestraters of both of these battles? Who had the most troops out there risking their asses and fighting hard? THE U.S. YOU PUTZ!

Had the U.S. weakened and not entered the war in Europe, Germany would have overrun it all. It would have marched all the way to the Atlantic Ocean, then turned around and wasted many troops in taking down Moscow and Stalingrad, but it still would have taken it down.

I'll bet you had some ancestors who fought in that war, either alive or dead. If you happen to know somebody who fought in that war, feel free to go tell them that America wasn't responsible for defeating Germany in WWII. After they beat the crap out of you with their cane, maybe you will change your pathetic, pea brained little mind. If not, then I feel sorry for your children, as they will have genes and traits passed down to them that are inferior to monkeys.

Oh, and BTW, I hate flaming, so you might understand how much your commments pissed me off, you pillow humping, ass fisting, gay porn creating, brain delapitated cum dumpster.

First of all I'll keep this quick and concise:

1) Look at the picture genius, the SOVIET Hammer and Sickle being put into the reichstag building, the SOVIET UNION began in 1922!!!! Your facts are already completely wrong, I almost laughed my head off when I read you say it began after WW2. Here's a snipet for your educating: "Thus, when the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) was organized in December 1922, it was only nominally a federation of autonomous republics; strong centralization from the Communists' new capital in Moscow was the rule from the start."1
In fact Trotsky was was sent out of .... THE SOVIET UNION by Stalin!

2) D day was the finishing blow to the Nazis in France, The red army was pushing back the Nazis in Russia for two years before taking berlin!!!!! Read the caption on the picture I posted!
Here's another little snippet for your educating: "When the United States entered the war in December 1941, the Soviets were fighting for survival. The immediately began pressuring the United States and Britain to open another front in Europe, preferably by landing in northern France, where an Allied assault could be expected to have the greatest impact. But the Allies did not invade northern France and open a major second front until June 1944. By then the Soviets had turned the tide in Europe on their own."2 THERE RIGHT THERE! That was the critical point, read it over a few times to take in some actual history, not your american history of things.

3) The turning point WAS the battle at Stalingrad NOT the battle of the bulge. I have an entire BOOK full of information on this, it is almost laughable to read your posts and then look into an actual HISTORY textbook and find everything you say to be complete lies and falsehoods.

1. Western Civilization The Continuing Experiment; Noble, Strauss and others. 2002. Houghton Mifflin Company, New York and Boston.

PS: Your flames would have taken away from your post but you really didn't have anything of value there. Flame away all you like, it still can't keep you from being owned.

[thx10050]

Um, Smackdown, one single book on historical information does not mean anything. For your response, I would have expected 5-6 books listed, in terms of sources. I'm not taking a side in this argument, but having one book as a source does not mean you are a credible writer.

[BPP]

Originally posted by thx10050
Um, Smackdown, one single book on historical information does not mean anything. For your response, I would have expected 5-6 books listed, in terms of sources. I'm not taking a side in this argument, but having one book as a source does not mean you are a credible writer.

better than 0 sources...

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by thx10050
Um, Smackdown, one single book on historical information does not mean anything. For your response, I would have expected 5-6 books listed, in terms of sources. I'm not taking a side in this argument, but having one book as a source does not mean you are a credible writer.

UMMMM what do you expect ??? This is an internet message board and BPR is RIGHT ON THE MONEY! No one on here hardly posts ANY sources, they just say stuff!!! Talking out of the ass is what you'll see mostly on here and that is EXACTLY WHAT that fool just did ( i forgot his name).

[rottie]

Originally posted by Smackdown
If I hear one more ******* credit the defeat of the Nazis at the hands of the soviets to the Americans I'm gonna scream. Let me remind of you of this and BPR stop bumping these guys, you were in that thread with me and you know that crediting the americans with beating the nazis is a blatant falsehood.

As for the girl, let her do what she wants. This isn't Nazi germany where YOU MUST SALUTE THE FLAG OR DIE.

Agreed. These people making America out to be the victor of WW2 are starting to make me sick.

I really dont see how it was America that took Berlin, when The Russians were the first into Berlin, and finished the Nazis off. The allied troops held thier ground 60 miles to the west of Berlin as per a prior agreement with Stalin. AFTER British and Canadian bombers had flattened the place, flying over 10,000 sorties, and dropping 30,000 tonnes of bombs on the city. Exactly what was left for the Americans to take?

Yeah exactly. Nothing.

[thx10050]

Hey, I was just making an observation. No need to jump down my throat as well.

[drew_bledsoe]

Originally posted by thewrestler14
Just thought I'd start a discussion on this, I wanted to see what people's opinions on it were. Here's mine. If anybody doesn't know I'll give the quick summary. There's this girl bball player from Manhattanville College that refuses to face the flag during the national anthem. I think it is total bull**** to not face the flag. The flag represents everybody that has died so you can have the freedoms that you enjoy and take for granted everyday. She claims that the flag "represents all the people that have been oppressed to build this country" well then if you dont like our country GET THE **** OUT. Nobody is forcing you to stay here, if you don't like it why don't you go to Iraq and see how fun life is there, you'd fly back to the US pretty damn quick. When you refuse to face the flag you disprespect anybody who has ever fought or had a relative fought in any war or died for this country. Yes, I realize that technically she is protected by the Constitution but I still think it's total bull**** and there are just certain things you don't do, and one of those is refusing to face the flag. There are tons of people that disagree with american politics but they still face and respect the flag. On top of this it also disrupts the team atmosphere. If you don't want to respect the flag then fine do all the flag desecrating you want in your own home but don't do it in a public/team setting, it disrupts team chemistry and unfairly draws teammates into YOUR protest, NOT the TEAM'S. If i were the coach I would kick her off the team, not for refusing to respect the flag but for refusing to respect her teammates.

so i guess what youre trying to say is that everyone is allowed to have an opinion only if they agree w/ you. if not, they should get deported and chastised. so im taking it that, u agree w/ every decision bush jr. says, huh?

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by thx10050
Hey, I was just making an observation. No need to jump down my throat as well.

NO, no no. Sorry I wasn't jumping down your throat, just in general at those on the board who don't post any sources ever but just talk.

Peace.

[chiba102]

I wonder how much state and federal money she gets to pay her school tuition.

Maybe they should turn their backs on her

[rottie]

Originally posted by chiba102
I wonder how much state and federal money she gets to pay her school tuition.

Maybe they should turn their backs on her

I think she is turning her back on the flag for what it stands for at the moment, not thru history.Or thats what I got from the interview I saw. So I dont think she is disrespecting veterans or anything.

Plus isn't it her right as an American to turn her back on the flag?

But I agree Chiba, its hypocritical if she is accessing government money to go to school. Ahh the joys of freedom eh ?

[The Iron Lord]

Originally posted by rottie
I think she is turning her back on the flag for what it stands for at the moment, not thru history.Or thats what I got from the interview I saw. So I dont think she is disrespecting veterans or anything.

Plus isn't it her right as an American to turn her back on the flag?

Bump. She isn't disrespecting any veterans. Those veterans died to protect her freedoms, one of which is freedom of expression. Do I agree with her stance? No, but that is her privelege to protest.

This isn't Nazi Germany, folks. You have a right to disagree with your government. In fact, a lot of you should stop acting like cattle and make some of your own decisions instead of blindly following around "Dubya."

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by The Iron Lord
Bump. She isn't disrespecting any veterans. Those veterans died to protect her freedoms, one of which is freedom of expression. Do I agree with her stance? No, but that is her privelege to protest.

This isn't Nazi Germany, folks. You have a right to disagree with your government. In fact, a lot of you should stop acting like cattle and make some of your own decisions instead of blindly following around "Dubya."

Exactly.

[Babs]

Originally posted by John Promise
Something I thought about from the local news. The band, Great White played at The Station in West Warwick, RI a couple weeks ago. Their intention was to play some great music and put on an entertaining show. 97 people died when the pyrotechnics from their show burned the club down. They didn't intend to torch the place and kill people, and they had no idea it would happen since these pyrotechnics had been a regular part of their show. Their only intention was a night of fun, but it became a night of tragedy.

That girl knows what the flag stands for with the majority of people in this country. If she doesn't, then she needs to take a basic US history course...and not one of those feminist history courses telling her the flag is a symbol of male domination.

The flag represents everything about this country...every little bit of history and tradition in all our 300+ years of existence...good and bad. You just can't turn your back on the flag without turning your back on the good it represents...with a symbol, it's all or nothing. You can't select what part of a symbol you're protesting because you have to protest the whole symbol.

If she stood outside the basketball game with a sign telling everyone what it was she was protesting, or she wore a t shirt giving her position, that would be one thing, but she's choosing to protest her issues by turning her back on a concrete symbol of everything this country stands for.

Very nice post John, the response and the points made are very good.

[BSMNT732]

Originally posted by The Iron Lord
This isn't Nazi Germany, folks. You have a right to disagree with your government. In fact, a lot of you should stop acting like cattle and make some of your own decisions instead of blindly following around "Dubya."

I agree that she has a right to do it, but what does this have to do with "Dubya"? The flag does not represent Bush's policies. I dont agree that Bush's tax-cut will stimulate the economy, should i turn my back on the flag then? No i respect the flag for what it stands for, if you dont like Bush thats fine with me. Go vote in the next election and have your voice heard, maybe next time people wont moan and bitch about how he stole the election. Guess what, he wouldnt have stolen the election if more than %30 of the damn country actually voted.

[The Iron Lord]

Originally posted by BSMNT732
I agree that she has a right to do it, but what does this have to do with "Dubya"? The flag does not represent Bush's policies. I dont agree that Bush's tax-cut will stimulate the economy, should i turn my back on the flag then? No i respect the flag for what it stands for, if you dont like Bush thats fine with me. Go vote in the next election and have your voice heard, maybe next time people wont moan and bitch about how he stole the election. Guess what, he wouldnt have stolen the election if more than %30 of the damn country actually voted.

Be it right, or be it wrong, the president is the figurehead of the federal government. She's protesting American politics, in particular the possible war with Iraq. No one can argue that Dubya is spearheading the war initiative. So, while I was making two independant points (her right to protest and people forming their own opinions rather than following government leaders blindly), I would have to say that her protest is intimately related to Bush and his administration.

[BL1]

I think everyone agrees that she has the right to protest. But is it the right place for her to protest? That is the question. If she is receiving federal funding she could be the biggest hypocrite of all time. I wish the media would pose that question to her.

[The Iron Lord]

Originally posted by BL1
I think everyone agrees that she has the right to protest. But is it the right place for her to protest? That is the question. If she is receiving federal funding she could be the biggest hypocrite of all time. I wish the media would pose that question to her.

I've had both student loans and scholarships, and I've yet to read anywhere on either one of them where it says, "by accepting this loan / grant, you are required to surrender your rights and freedoms granted under the Bill of Rights."

[rottie]

Originally posted by The Iron Lord
I've had both student loans and scholarships, and I've yet to read anywhere on either one of them where it says, "by accepting this loan / grant, you are required to surrender your rights and freedoms granted under the Bill of Rights."

I think what BL1 is trying to say, is, she is opposed to what the administration stands for on one hand, yet she may be accepting financial aid for school from the same government. It is hypocritical in my opinion, but it is completely her right to do so.

[BL1]

Originally posted by The Iron Lord
I've had both student loans and scholarships, and I've yet to read anywhere on either one of them where it says, "by accepting this loan / grant, you are required to surrender your rights and freedoms granted under the Bill of Rights."

Yea great. But she is accepting money from a government that she supposedly detests. Its like these tree huggers that run around door to door preaching “save the environment” then they pull away in their SUV. LOL


Also she has been disrupting the team and is an obvious behavioral problem.

[EngineThatCould]

I say all the other colleges that her team plays against should paint the flag on their backboards.

[The Iron Lord]

Originally posted by BL1

Also she has been disrupting the team and is an obvious behavioral problem.

She quietly turns her back during the National Anthem. I suppose disruption is debatable, but it's hardly a behavioral problem. The only problems have come from people trying to infringe on her Constitutional rights.

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by BL1
Yea great. But she is accepting money from a government that she supposedly detests. Its like these tree huggers that run around door to door preaching “save the environment” then they pull away in their SUV. LOL


Also she has been disrupting the team and is an obvious behavioral problem.

Why are you wasting your time arguing BL1? You said in another thread that this was a publicity stunt and accused me of being on crack once I disagreed with you.

Actually True environmentalists... they wouldn't be caught dead in an SUV. I'm an environmentalist and would charge 3 times as much for gas for SUVs if I could do so. You generalization of "tree huggers driving SUVs" is bordering lunacy.

Your very last little paragraph there is purely speculation on your part. Are you a behavioural psychologist? How is it clear that she has behavioural problems?

[EngineThatCould]

Oh yea, props to the Vietnam vet who stormed the court and waved the flag in her face. Too bad he was escorted away.....

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by EngineThatCould
Oh yea, props to the Vietnam vet who stormed the court and waved the flag in her face. Too bad he was escorted away.....

yeah too bad.... I mean he could have gotten violent with her... it's too bad they hauled that nut off the court......

[Smackdown]

Originally posted by The Iron Lord
She quietly turns her back during the National Anthem. I suppose disruption is debatable, but it's hardly a behavioral problem. The only problems have come from people trying to infringe on her Constitutional rights.

Bingo again.