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Old 02-24-2003, 07:00 PM   #1
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Cool First Cycle questions

First off, I have been reading this board for about 5-6 months, and I think I'm going to do my first cycle this summer. Currently, I'm 5'10" 215lbs, with about 9% bodyfat and 4 years of training behind. When I start the cycle, I will be around 8% bodyfat or less.

testosterone enanthate: week 1-10 500mg/week
dianabol: week 1-6 (is that too long) 25-30 mg/day
equipoise: week 1-10 200mg/week

and for post cycle recovery, I'll be using nolva.

Since I dont have any of these medications at the moment, I more then welcome people to tweak things around. I'm not really looking to bulk up much, but rather to stay pretty lean and do a lean mass cycle. My goal is about 15 lbs. I'll be keeping my calories around 3,700-4,000 a day, getting at least 350 grams of protein a day.

I do have one question though: will it be harder for me to gain naturally following a cycle? I think I read in Mick Hearts steriod guide something along those lines, but I put down the e-book because it didnt seem to be well rounded. I mean, it seemed to be ONLY his opinions on things.

And I seached around, but I didnt see any new info on steroid-encylopedia.com. Would it be a good idea to join for sources? I'd like to find a doctor (cough) around here that I could get mah stuff from, but I'm not sure if thats gonna happen.

I had some other questions too, but I'll do some more lurking before I bother people.
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Old 02-24-2003, 07:34 PM   #2
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My advise would be that if you have not reached your natural potential then don't do the juice bro.You seem to have some doubt rather you have reached that point .Roids are for people that have reached their genetic limits peroid.If you have and you are ready to do a cycle the one you have chosen is good except you need to raise the eq to 400mgs weekly.D-bol is fine for 6 weeks. Good luck bro
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You have a decent base, if you want to do it, I say go for it. I'd bump the EQ to 400mg/wk though. In terms of gaining naturally afterwards, the answer is it makes no difference....however since you are gaining muscle and the more muscle you have the harder it is to gain more muscle, then it will make growing naturally harder (however for example say you were 225 and had done a cycle, or were 225 and had grown naturally there would be no difference in ability to gain...except don't expect to gain much post cycle..expect to lose a little).
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You have a decent base, if you want to do it, I say go for it. I'd bump the EQ to 400mg/wk though. In terms of gaining naturally afterwards, the answer is it makes no difference....however since you are gaining muscle and the more muscle you have the harder it is to gain more muscle, then it will make growing naturally harder (however for example say you were 225 and had done a cycle, or were 225 and had grown naturally there would be no difference in ability to gain...except don't expect to gain much post cycle..expect to lose a little).
Alright cool, I think I understand the reasoning behind what I read now. The more muscle you have, the harder it is to gain more muscle on top of that. Thanks for clearing that up.

I know I havent reached my genetic potential, im 19, but I question the amount of people who actually do before their first cycle anyway, but I do thank you for the input Bouldershld. I really hate comparing myself to other people esp. in this case...damnit :P

And thanks for the advise on the EQ.
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you bodyweight is very good for 9% bf, that is already bigger than a lot of us who have already done a cycle.
however, the overriding opinion is that you should wait until you are 21 till you use gear. you should still have some natural growth left.
if you do cycle go w/ EQ 400mg per week, especially at your size. 350g or protein might also be a little low-I need over 400g to grow at lower weight and higher bf.
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Just be carefull...it sounds as if you're 'vaguely" asking for a source in your post. Stick around + make yourself known...the rest will fall into place!

Oh yeah, ignore any PM's saying they could hook you up...ggod chance they're SCAMMERS!
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Just be carefull...it sounds as if you're 'vaguely" asking for a source in your post. Stick around + make yourself known...the rest will fall into place!

Oh yeah, ignore any PM's saying they could hook you up...ggod chance they're SCAMMERS!
Hahaha, yeah. I guess it will take a little while of getting to know people before I know who to trust. Sucks that it has to be this way...but yeah, thanks for the advise.

And also thanks to P.T.B.W for the input. I'm looking for anything I can get, I wanna do this right.
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Cool So now you've got it!

Variation on B&B...

Test E 500mg 10 weeks
Eq 400mg 10 weeks
D-bol 30mg ED 4 to 6 weeks (I like 4...but up to 6 is cool)

Nolva 10-14 days after last shot 40 mg ED for 2 weeks, 20 mg ED for 2 more after that.

IMO 350g of protein is fine...but hell, more shouldn't hurt!
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