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    Non-Hormonal Stack: Which One do I use?

    I have been bulking now for 3 months and have put on 20#. I am looking to start my cutting cycle to kick off the New Year. I will be looking to maintain my strength at a minimum and addition of mass will be appreciated. I have been researching many stacks for a couple of weeks now and I’m stuck on my decision of which one to use. I’m certain they are all creditable, but I’d like to use the one with the most proven and consistent results.

    I’d like to get advice from Users of the stacks I have listed below. The perfect advice would some from Users who have used at least 2 of the stack as to have a comparison. I welcome all advice nevertheless.

    Stack 1 (Designer Supplements)
    ActivaTe
    Rebound Reloaded
    Lean Extreme

    Stack 2 (Anabolic Extreme)
    Hyperdrol
    Mass fx
    Retain

    Stack 3
    Halo Gels (Gaspari Nutrition)
    Ebol (ThermoLife)

    Stack 4 (ALR Industries)
    Jungle Warfare
    BAM
    Restore

    They all seem like solid stacks. It may just come down to what's worth the price. Man....decisions, decisions....
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    If you're cutting, I think X-Factor or Halo LG with Lean Xtreme or Retain might do great. Maybe throw in 6-OXO. All good for a cut with strength increase.
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    Throw in some branched glutamine and ESPECIALLY BCAA's. BCAA's are an excellent and cheap source for conserving lean mass while cutting. The powder form is cheapest. Get the ratio 2:1:1 for leucine:isoleucine:valine
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    Not sure if you have searched through NHA feedback, but I'll post the logs just in case you have not.


    NHA Stack

    Bernie’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=861375
    NC2315’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=641689
    N2315’s w/ Sesaglow
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=869526
    spaceclowns’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=701915
    peepingyoda’s
    http://http://www.forum.bodybuilding...d.php?t=710168
    Madevilz’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=653643
    Aeternitatis’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=636790
    Freakfactor’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=667148
    xxghostxx’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=627228
    TheUnlikelyToad’s (1st Log)
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=567313
    TheUnlikelyToad’s (Remixed Log)
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=630967
    TheUnlikelyToad’s (Dicana + NHA)
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=850351
    rush_n’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=668011
    thanatopsis’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=583750
    Chevyguy358’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=862464
    RageSoCal’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=562786
    rusty319’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=516373
    dungeon1’s
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=542259
    ElMariachi’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=834745
    Rotlex’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=865668
    jimmari’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...ad.php?t=86055
    cdem’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=899522
    demonseed’s
    http://www.forum.bodybuilding.com/sh...d.php?t=902462

    NHA Stack Write-Up
    http://www.designersupps.com/product.../NHA_Stack.pdf

    FAQ
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...t=Activate+FAQ

    Purchase Stack in BB.com Store
    Activate-http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/act.html
    Rebound Reloaded- http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/reload.html
    Lean Extreme-http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/design/lean.html
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    you have some good stack choices, I like #1 and 3. Here are some HLG logs in case you havent followed:
    The complete stack; Halodrol Liquigels, SP250, SizeOn and Novedex XT
    Sobelik: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=946375

    MR ARIES HaloLiqui/Size-ON/SP250 Gaspari EVERYTHING stack
    http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=952014

    Brownbomber1 : http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=920264

    Bosnia bulk: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=942570

    Itrik (41 years old): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...7#post12538157

    We got more but they arent done yet
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    Stack Halo JW and Ebol. The DS may have good results in the past but it'd be interesting to see something current that is as good or better.
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    As 40 yard noted, the X-factor/ActivaTe stack is amazing. Adding Rebound Reloaded is an option for those 21 yo+
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    As 40 yard noted, the X-factor/ActivaTe stack is amazing. Adding Rebound Reloaded is an option for those 21 yo+
    So 'more' isn't necessarily better....ie - 3 supplement stack opposed to a 2 supplement stack?
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    Originally Posted by Team Hoss View Post
    So 'more' isn't necessarily better....ie - 3 supplement stack opposed to a 2 supplement stack?
    I'd say it's MORE effective, but those who don't desire an AI have the option to simply use XF and AT with awesome results.
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    A friend of mine at the gym had excellent results with Hyperdrol.
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    i would go with stack 4
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    Originally Posted by uhockey View Post
    As 40 yard noted, the X-factor/ActivaTe stack is amazing. Adding Rebound Reloaded is an option for those 21 yo+
    that would be a great stack too
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    Originally Posted by uhockey View Post
    I'd say it's MORE effective, but those who don't desire an AI have the option to simply use XF and AT with awesome results.
    would throwing in bam or mass fx work well w/ nha stack in your opinion or would it be unecessary
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    Originally Posted by johnny87 View Post
    would throwing in bam or mass fx work well w/ nha stack in your opinion or would it be unecessary
    You could but it would probably be over kill on the 3,4 DVTH. Although the 25R-diol in Mass FX is the main ingredient that gives noticeable results by day 3 it also contains 1 gram of 3,4 DVTH. I am unsure what stacking Activate with Mass FX would do. You can always drop into our "ask Dr.D" forum and talk to the creator of both products (Mass FX and Activate ). He would probably give you a solid answer about stacking them.
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    the AX stack had amazing strength results and solid mass gains, currently on the BAM/JW so we'll see how that goes!
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    it also contains 1 gram of 3,4 DVTH.
    That is 4 caps, correct?
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    Originally Posted by Carmen0857 View Post
    That is 4 caps, correct?
    Correct 4 caps is one daily serving of Mass FX.

    4 caps would contain 1 gram of 25R-diol and 1 gram of the 95% 3,4DVTH.
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    Originally Posted by -=BigSmith=- View Post
    Correct 4 caps is one daily serving of Mass FX.

    4 caps would contain 1 gram of 25R-diol and 1 gram of the 95% 3,4DVTH.

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    Originally Posted by -=BigSmith=- View Post
    You can always drop into our "ask Dr.D" forum and talk to the creator of both products (Mass FX and Activate ). He would probably give you a solid answer about stacking them.
    That is a great resource.
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    im also considering to do one of these stacks, leaning towards stack 4 though. Did JW before and had great gains with it.

    To the OP, what kind of cutting diet would you plan to follow when using one of these stacks?
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    What about this stack?

    X-factor
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    Originally Posted by Klippymitch View Post
    What about this stack?

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    looks good
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    Originally Posted by FS#33 View Post
    looks good
    no, it doesnt look good, you dont want to combine X-Factor with an anti inflammatory such as Cissus
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    I'd say it's MORE effective, but those who don't desire an AI have the option to simply use XF and AT with awesome results.
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    Uhockey, why would someone NOT want to use an AI?
    Still growing (in terms of puberty and hormonal development.)
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    Still growing (in terms of puberty and hormonal development.)
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    I do not have a problem with AI's. That said, which of the stacks I've mentioned about would you advise, being non bias of course.
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    I do not have a problem with AI's. That said, which of the stacks I've mentioned about would you advise, being non bias of course.
    If I did not love DS, I wouldn't work here, so some bias is inevitable. Unlike other "reps," I have say in our product forumlations, writeups, and usage information.

    IMO, using ActivaTe in conjunction with Xfactor is the best NHA stack out there with regard to minimizing sides and maximizing gains. Adding Rebound Reloaded to that stack is simply another bump in potency through targeting another pathway. LX is good for those who display a great deal of carb sensitivity or disproportionate adiposity.

    I've no doubt that HLGs are effective, but I do wonder whether the dosage of each ingredient is sufficient. I'd like to try the product, but price restricts me.

    Ebol also interests the hell out of me, and considering the success I had with high dosed ECDYsten I definitely look forward to using the bottle I have AS SOON AS I can commit a month of flawless diet/workout/sleep. I don't do things half assed, so if I can't lock everything in, it's useless to me to use a stack.

    IMO, I like products with less "tricky" labels. Makes it easier to know what I'm taking and what I'm not, what's doing the job and what isn't.
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    Originally Posted by uhockey View Post
    If I did not love DS, I wouldn't work here, so some bias is inevitable. Unlike other "reps," I have say in our product forumlations, writeups, and usage information.

    IMO, using ActivaTe in conjunction with Xfactor is the best NHA stack out there with regard to minimizing sides and maximizing gains. Adding Rebound Reloaded to that stack is simply another bump in potency through targeting another pathway. LX is good for those who display a great deal of carb sensitivity or disproportionate adiposity.

    I've no doubt that HLGs are effective, but I do wonder whether the dosage of each ingredient is sufficient. I'd like to try the product, but price restricts me.

    Ebol also interests the hell out of me, and considering the success I had with high dosed ECDYsten I definitely look forward to using the bottle I have AS SOON AS I can commit a month of flawless diet/workout/sleep. I don't do things half assed, so if I can't lock everything in, it's useless to me to use a stack.

    IMO, I like products with less "tricky" labels. Makes it easier to know what I'm taking and what I'm not, what's doing the job and what isn't.
    Okay UH, you have persuaded me through your logic and confidence to go with the Act-XF stack. If my budget permits, I may throw in the RR. How much of a positive affect do you feel the RR adds to the stack?
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    Originally Posted by Team Hoss View Post
    Okay UH, you have persuaded me through your logic and confidence to go with the Act-XF stack. If my budget permits, I may throw in the RR. How much of a positive affect do you feel the RR adds to the stack?
    The benefit is immense, especially on a cut/recomp, or in persons with higher levels of BF that may have more estrogen sensitivity.
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