This why Heath is better than Levrone...

[spamy]

I don't think it's fair to use Ronnie in that line-up as he was only one of the elite for two years. He falls into to early 2000s if you ask me.

Also, even if you remove Ronnie, I think that line-up might still be better than it is today, HOWEVER, I think the line-up at the 2010 Mr. Olympia will outshine the 90s. Unfortunately, 3 of the top 6 from last year were off. Had they come in shape, I think they would have been better than the 90s line-up you posted.

We're comparing the 1999 Ronnie and the others with today's pros. We can make a case for Dexter too.

We don't know yet how the 2010 competitors will look, that's why we're talking about 2009 Olympia. With all his good conditioning Branch wouldn't have make it in the top 6 in the last decade, it means that now we don't have the same tough competition, let's not forget the heavily diuretics from back then.

does anyone else think that Cris Cormier had the potential to be the GOAT?

Yes, best genetics on that stage.

[MiniReem]

Name one show where the wider guy won because he was wider. Dexter Jackson gets out..widened and outsized all the time he still beats the big guys. Lee Priest ect. Wideness is a factor fans came up with. Nowhere in the judging criteria does it say anything about being wide.

SHawn never won the olympia because next to dorian he looked small because he wasent wide, i promise u it makes a diffrence

[Duckenheimer]

Name one show where the wider guy won because he was wider. Dexter Jackson gets out..widened and outsized all the time he still beats the big guys. Lee Priest ect. Wideness is a factor fans came up with. Nowhere in the judging criteria does it say anything about being wide.

That's really stupid.

It's actually a factor that affects how a bodybuilder looks. How a bodybuilder looks affects the results of his placings.

"Wideness" is a factor that affects how big a guy looks, and his taper and proportions. It's not the only factor; rendering the Dexter comment totally pointless and meaningless.

Dennis Wolf and Paco Bautista would probably have different placings in their history if all things were equal, but Wolf's clavicles were very narrow and Paco's waist was very narrow. Why? Because they'd look very different, their proportions would be very different and the effect on the visual result of their muscularity would be immense.

Why on earth does it matter if "width" is not specifically scored on points?

[boyoboyo]

That's really stupid.

It's actually a factor that affects how a bodybuilder looks. How a bodybuilder looks affects the results of his placings.

"Wideness" is a factor that affects how big a guy looks, and his taper and proportions. It's not the only factor; rendering the Dexter comment totally pointless and meaningless.

Dennis Wolf and Paco Bautista would probably have different placings in their history if all things were equal, but Wolf's clavicles were very narrow and Paco's waist was very narrow. Why? Because they'd look very different, their proportions would be very different and the effect on the visual result of their muscularity would be immense.

Why on earth does it matter if "width" is not specifically scored on points?

He spouts that same line all the time bro.
I agree 100% with what youve just said

[NeoSeminole]

does anyone else think that Cris Cormier had the potential to be the GOAT?

you're not alone. I always thought Chris had close to the best genetics of all-time

[DavisForman]

Cris was already out of the shape when dis happened)

Lol, I was just kidding dude.

Branch wouldn't have make it in the top 6 in the last decade

That's really an impossible statement. There's no way to know that. Waist down, Branch beats every single guy on that stage, only exception being Ronnie, plus he has some areas in the upper body that beat people.

[flangmasterj]

you're not alone. I always thought Chris had close to the best genetics of all-time

Chris was pretty close to perfect. He just didn't have the freakiness which Ronnie had.

[T3mpest]

Chris was pretty close to perfect. He just didn't have the freakiness which Ronnie had.

He also never reahed 300lbs on stage either and that has alot to do with it. Cormier had a similar back shape, similar genetic leg sweep, better arms, similar chest, better ab shape and could still do a vaccuum in 1999. If he had taken it completley seriously laid off the "extra" drugs he may have made 300lbs on stage look even better than Ronnie did

[boyoboyo]

He also never reahed 300lbs on stage either and that has alot to do with it. Cormier had a similar back shape, similar genetic leg sweep, better arms, similar chest, better ab shape and could still do a vaccuum in 1999. If he had taken it completley seriously laid off the "extra" drugs he may have made 300lbs on stage look even better than Ronnie did

first off cormier did not have better arms than ronnie lol, and whilst they both have good legs, there completley different in shape.

and like the above poster states, he just lacks the hanging mass that ronnie posseses.
and another fator being chris allways struggled with his conditioning, he was never ripped from head to toe.

[trulyhuge1]

you're not alone. I always thought Chris had close to the best genetics of all-time

Any pro bb'er from the 90's would tell you if Cormier would have slowed down the partying (which I guess he did quite frequently) he could have gone even further than what he did. Major untapped potential there.

[T3mpest]

first off cormier did not have better arms than ronnie lol, and whilst they both have good legs, there completley different in shape.

and like the above poster states, he just lacks the hanging mass that ronnie posseses.
and another fator being chris allways struggled with his conditioning, he was never ripped from head to toe.

Hanging mass comes alot easier at 300 than it does at 230. Ronnie's had shorter tricep and bicep muscle bellies than Chris. Chris Bi's were very full and still had peak to them. Ronnie's arms lacked vs his legs and torso as he ballooned up to 300ish because of his relatively short muscle bellies vs his big ass chest muscles and redic quad sweep. Chris had the potential to have a much better balance between those body parts. IMO chris's conditioning issues (which were usually minor) can be attributed to his lazy training and dieting. He got caught up in the party lifestyle and that DOES clash with contest prep.

Chris was known for not working as hard as most, still had most of Ronnies size in 1998 and 1999 and genetically seemed to have a MUCH better chance of making 300lbs look good that Ronnie did.

[NeoSeminole]

He also never reahed 300lbs on stage either and that has alot to do with it. Cormier had a similar back shape, similar genetic leg sweep, better arms, similar chest, better ab shape and could still do a vaccuum in 1999. If he had taken it completley seriously laid off the "extra" drugs he may have made 300lbs on stage look even better than Ronnie did

I don't think Chris had any desire to reach 300 lbs. Some bodybuilders, despite what the judges favor, will not compromise their own aesthetic goals. Bob Paris was one of them

[NeoSeminole]

just an all-around beautiful physique

[spamy]

That's really an impossible statement. There's no way to know that. Waist down, Branch beats every single guy on that stage, only exception being Ronnie, plus he has some areas in the upper body that beat people.

Paco Bautista has some of the best legs in bbing today and he took 5th at his last contest, Branch took 3rd at AC 2010 even if he had the best lower body in the show, and both had great conditioning, you can't win with just a pair of great legs.

[the-craig]

Paco Bautista has some of the best legs in bbing today

From the side and back I would agree, but from the front his quads look deflated and thin.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/b...entcode%3D1397

[DavisForman]

Paco Bautista has some of the best legs in bbing today and he took 5th at his last contest, Branch took 3rd at AC 2010 even if he had the best lower body in the show, and both had great conditioning, you can't win with just a pair of great legs.

I know... but I didn't say "win the whole show." I was implying that he would make it into the top 6. Take Ronnie from that line-up, and I see Branch beating every other person from the front except Nasser. He wouldn't fair so well from the back, but remember, waist down from the back he would be number one!

IMO, Branch is the fourth best bodybuilder in the world today (falling behind Jay, Kai and Heath). The placings of the 1999 Mr. Olympia were:

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Chris Cormier
3. Flex Wheeler
4. Kevin Levrone
5. Shawn Ray
6. Nasser El Sonbaty

Even if you don't remove Ronnie from that list, I think Branch beats Kevin, based solely off of photos (obviously).

Has bodybuilding drastically improved since 1999? No, but I think it is slightly better now.

[INMATEaco]

[trulyhuge1]

Flex got 2nd there stud. And Branch looks better from the front than everyone in the 1999 line-up aside from Ronnie???

I know... but I didn't say "win the whole show." I was implying that he would make it into the top 6. Take Ronnie from that line-up, and I see Branch beating every other person from the front except Nasser. He wouldn't fair so well from the back, but remember, waist down from the back he would be number one!

IMO, Branch is the fourth best bodybuilder in the world today (falling behind Jay, Kai and Heath). The placings of the 1999 Mr. Olympia were:

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Chris Cormier
3. Flex Wheeler
4. Kevin Levrone
5. Shawn Ray
6. Nasser El Sonbaty

Even if you don't remove Ronnie from that list, I think Branch beats Kevin, based solely off of photos (obviously).

Has bodybuilding drastically improved since 1999? No, but I think it is slightly better now.

[DavisForman]

Flex got 2nd there stud.

Woops, my bad.

And Branch looks better from the front than everyone in the 1999 line-up aside from Ronnie???

If you say so.

I think everyone aside from Ronnie and Nasser, as I said in my post, but if you just think Ronnie, okay then.

[spamy]

From the side and back I would agree, but from the front his quads look deflated and thin.

http://www.musculardevelopment.com/b...entcode%3D1397

Paco's legs are like Jay's or Kai's physiques: you need to put them next to the others to realise how good they are in reality. They look great by themselves and even better in a line-up

I know... but I didn't say "win the whole show." I was implying that he would make it into the top 6. Take Ronnie from that line-up, and I see Branch beating every other person from the front except Nasser. He wouldn't fair so well from the back, but remember, waist down from the back he would be number one!

IMO, Branch is the fourth best bodybuilder in the world today (falling behind Jay, Kai and Heath). The placings of the 1999 Mr. Olympia were:

1. Ronnie Coleman
2. Chris Cormier
3. Flex Wheeler
4. Kevin Levrone
5. Shawn Ray
6. Nasser El Sonbaty

Even if you don't remove Ronnie from that list, I think Branch beats Kevin, based solely off of photos (obviously).

Has bodybuilding drastically improved since 1999? No, but I think it is slightly better now.

You're right Cormier should have been 2nd in 1999, but the judges placed Flex ahead of him. Oh well

Regarding Branch he places behind Ronnie, Cormier, Levrone, all of them have better upper bodies than Branch, better frames, proportions, symmetry and good legs.

[trulyhuge1]

Woops, my bad.



If you say so.

I think everyone aside from Ronnie and Nasser, as I said in my post, but if you just think Ronnie, okay then.

You didn't understand my post. You stated Branch would beat everyone BUT Ronnie and Nasser in the 1999 line up and I highly disagreed.

[the-craig]

Paco's legs are like Jay's or Kai's physiques: you need to put them next to the others to realise how good they are in reality. They look great by themselves and even better in a line-up

His quads do look better beside other people, you're right there. I'm still not a fan of them though, they've got plenty size no doubt about it, but the shape of them isn't even slightly pleasing.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

From the side and back I would agree, but from the front his quads look deflated and thin.

Dude, what in the name of hell are you talking about? Paco's quads? Did I read that right?

[the-craig]

Dude, what in the name of hell are you talking about? Paco's quads? Did I read that right?

Huge and conditioned, yes. But the shape of them kills it for me. I can see why people would like them though not saying they're ****ty just not my favourite.

[MiniReem]

perfect

[Big Slim DaDDy]

you're not alone. I always thought Chris had close to the best genetics of all-time

If we had complete control over our bodies mine would probably look similar to that. Except white.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Huge and conditioned, yes. But the shape of them kills it for me. I can see why people would like them though not saying they're ****ty just not my favourite.

Thin and deflated? Have you not seen them before?

[the-craig]

Thin and deflated? Have you not seen them before?

Maybe I picked my words wrong. They lack roundness and they don't seem to pop off his thigh.

[DavisForman]

You didn't understand my post.

I understood your post perfectly. You implied that I thought Branch looked better than everyone from the front than Ronnie, which is not what I said. I said he would look better from the front than everyone EXCEPT Ronnie and Nasser.

You stated Branch would beat everyone BUT Ronnie and Nasser in the 1999 line up and I highly disagreed.

Wrong again, I said he would beat everyone except Ronnie and Nasser from the front. Did you even read my post?

[trulyhuge1]

I understood your post perfectly. You implied that I thought Branch looked better than everyone from the front than Ronnie, which is not what I said. I said he would look better from the front than everyone EXCEPT Ronnie and Nasser.



Wrong again, I said he would beat everyone except Ronnie and Nasser from the front. Did you even read my post?

What are you talking about kid? Aside from Ronnie and Nasser....right? That's what I just typed and you have quoted. If I forgot to put Nasser's name in a different reply then my bad. but I clearly said both in this one. Have you met any pro's in person? If so, how many and mind telling me who it was(or they were). Pictures and video do not show anything, especially as far as a contest is concerned. You would have been what, 9 or 10 in 1999?