Profiles for Popular PH's and Orals (Decent List)

[leonidas300]

I did not put this list together, I found it on another site but it is a good list that answers several questions frequently asked on this board. Thanks to The Sinner for putting it together.

PH Profile's.
Methoxy-TST
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno/Methyl E
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to dehydrate users causing back pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run due to its extremely dry nature. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.

Pheraplex/Phera Vol
Nomenclature: 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profile, some users report aggrevation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Solid product for bulking. Wet gains. It is a sometimes used to jumpstart an injectable cycle. This is the less androgenic isomer in the Ergomax LMG matrix.

Ergomax LMG
Nomenclature: 17-methyl-delta-2-etioallocholane isomers and 17a-methyl-5a-androst-3-ene-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-40mg
Side effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, may aggrevate gynecomastia.
Reputation: Again pretty solid for bulking. Users can expect similar gains as with pheraplex.

Superdrol, SD Clones
Nomenclature: 2a, 17a-dimethyl-17?-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one
Pill size: 10mg
Dosages: 10-30mg
Side Effects: liver toxicity, bad lipid profiles, back pumps, hair loss, in rare cases users report agrivation of gynecomastia with this compound.
Reputation: Side effects vary from mild to extremely harsh, so use caution if planning your first run. Excellent dry gains. Great for bulking or cutting. Explosive strength gains. This is a methylated form of Drostanolone (Masteron)

Methoxy-TRN (Trenadrol)
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 3mg (trenadrol is 30mg on bottle, however same deal)
Dosages: 1.5-6mg (trenadrol dosed 30mg - 90mg as high as 120mg)
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively). May cause thinning hair/ hair loss, elevated blood pressure, aggression. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. Noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.

Halodrol-50, and Clones
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17-diol
Pill Size: 50mg
Dosages: 25-75mg
Side effects: Heptatoxicity.
Reputation: Milder than superdrol or pheraplex. Modest gains in mass and strength. Most users take this as part of a cutting cycle. This is a prosteroid of Turinabol.

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss. Aggressiveness in some users.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains. This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

Propadrol
Nomenclures: 12-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-diene / 6-17 dihydroxyetiocholove-3-ol proponate
Dosages: 1-2 caps daily
Side effects: low side effects
Reputation: User's who've taken it have reported great decreases in bodyfat, while increasing musclemass and strength. Non methyl status means that this product stacks well. NOTE: this is does not contain the same compound as Max LMG. They are close, but no cigar.

Max LMG / Revolt
Nomenclature: 13-ethyl-3methoxygona-2, 5(10)-dien-17-one
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 25-135mg daily
Side effects: Can easily aggrevate gynecomastia. May be a libido killer. This is another progestin.
Reputation: A bulking compound through and through. Users can expect great recovery, and wet gains.


M-1,4ADD
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

1,4 AD / 1,4ADD / Bold
Nomenclature: 1,4-Androstadiene-3,17-dione
Dosages: 300-800mg
Side effects: Mild, acne, oily skin, MASSIVELY INCREASED APPETITE.
Reputation: Very weak and not very cost-efficient at the moment. This compound is often stacked with a methyl to potentiate and accelerate gains. Cycles are usually run at a MINIMUM of 4 weeks as this one takes a few weeks to 'kick in'. Slow, steady, and easily maintainable gains. This is a prohormone of Boldenone.

Promagnon-25
Dosages: 25-75mg
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17b-diol
Side effects: heptatoxicity, back pumps
Reputation: Very similar to that of Halodrol-50, although people who've tried both seem to prefer Halodrol. For a while a lot of people were conviced that these two products were one in the same. Rest assured, they are not. This is a methyl derivative of clostebol.

Oxyguno
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

3-AD / 11-oxo
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss.


This was put together by thesinner. Many thanks dude.

[PrisonerDilemma]

This needs to be see by everyone.

Great compilation, man.

[ibcritn1]

Great!

[cal62887]

Awesome...finally someone brought this over from the AM forums.

perhaps this could be a sticky in the new PH section (if bb.com ever makes one)

[DinoT1985]

Great post.

[Tallbill]

Great post.

[LSU1]

Awesome...finally someone brought this over from the AM forums.

perhaps this could be a sticky in the new PH section (if bb.com ever makes one)

it was in another thread started by xc

i often use it for reference

it should be stickied however, its always a bitch to find lol

[bbuild528]

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.


Good list just change the wording in this as it does not convert to tren according to PA.

[watchfan]

bookmarked for sure.

WF

[AtownKing187]

Thanks for the info Leo.

[ZDub212]

So is propadrol a PH or an AI? Or was that just an issue with what Ana-Pro contains?

[LSU1]

So is propadrol a PH or an AI? Or was that just an issue with what Ana-Pro contains?

its a progestin

[bongd]

Excellent list. I saw it in it's premature stages but I'm glad that it's been revised and brought over to bb.com (yes, strong AM lurker).

Bump for all the confused homies out there. Great place to start learning

[Interlocutor]

I did not put this list together, I found it on another site but it is a good list that answers several questions frequently asked on this board. Thanks to The Sinner for putting it together.

while this list is quoted from time to time, my comments on it stand as before. unfortunately, this list is now somewhat older, and is not being kept up-to-date, nor are the comments from actual users incorporated.

Methoxy-TST
Nomenclature: 17b-methoxytrienosterone
Pill size: 2mg
Dosages: The label recommends 2-6mg daily, but many users report only noticing effects when dosed at 8-12mg.
Side effects: Low liver toxicity. Some users say this is a libido killer, yet others say the exact opposite. Other users report sides of thinning hair/hair loss.
Reputation: Seemingly underdosed, methoxy-TST could be considered an underrated designer, as many users have reported some substantial gains with higher dosages.

how many are "many"? more than those which reported no gains (even at high dose), or bad sides? have those been standalone results, or stacked with something else? low liver toxicity is only true if the bottle contains something similar to what the label claims (non-methyl). are here any independent lab assays or coas available on this product verifying what this substance is? any bloodwork on standalone cycles?

Epistane/Havoc/Hemaguno/Methyl E
Nomenclature: 2a-3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol
Pill Size: 10mg or 12.5mg depending on what brand you use
Dosages: 20-50mg
Side Effects: Milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls. Known to dehydrate users causing back pumps.
Reputation: There has had some spectroscopy and compound identification issues with these products, but from personal experience with it, is still a solid product. Many users have taken this compound as a solo run due to its extremely dry nature. It is also a popular compound for use with the 'pulse method' of taking orals. Users can expect to see significant gains in both strength and mass.

i am strongly opposed to the "milder on liver and lipid levels than other methyls". this is IMHO urban legend without any proof. 50mg would also be considered a very very high dose for most users, with users experiencing sides (blood pressure, lethargy, etc.) from 30mg upwards.

Methoxy-TRN (Trenadrol)
Nomenclature: 17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone
Pill size: 3mg (trenadrol is 30mg on bottle, however same deal)
Dosages: 1.5-6mg (trenadrol dosed 30mg - 90mg as high as 120mg)
Side effects: Affects libido (some positively some negatively). May cause thinning hair/ hair loss, elevated blood pressure, aggression. Also another progestin.
Reputation: This guy is a real hit or miss. Some users loved the stuff, while others did not notice anything from it. Noticed increases in strength as well as decreases in bodyfat.

i would really really like to see some clarification on the 3mg vs. 30mg issue. also, the same stands for Methoxy-TRN as for the Methoxy-TST: and independent lab assays or coa available o verify what it is?

Prostanozol/ Orasan-E/Winztrol
Nomenclature: [3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Pill size: 25mg
Dosages: 50-150mg (Although it is not uncommon to go much higher than this)
Side effects: very few sides. Some users report thinning hair/hair loss. Aggressiveness in some users.
Reputation: Possibly the most mild of the designers, this compound is rarely run standalone. It is often stacked with a methyl compound for a lean bulk or cut. Very mild, yet easily maintained gains. This is a de-alkylated derivative of Stanozol (winstrol).

50-150mg is probably far to low for any user at ~200lbs to experience any benefit if used as standalone. i'd expect at least 1mg/lb of bodyweight to be required. another clone is MegaZol (50mg pill size).

Finigenix Magnum/Trenaplex
Nomenclature: Estra-4, 9-diene-3, 17-dione
Dosages: 50-75mg
Side effects: aggrevation of gynecomastia. This is a progestin (it can convert to trenbolone). Expect tren-like sides.
Reputation: Though there hasn't been much logged on this bad boy, those who've used it have liked it. This is a prohormone to Tren.

my understanding was that it does not actually convert to Tren (marketing gag), but rather Dienolone (IIRC).

Oxyguno
Nomenclature: 4-chloro-17 -methyl- etioallochol-4-ene- 17 -ol-3,11-dione
Pill Size: 7.5mg
Dosages: 7.5-22.5mg daily
Side effects: Heptatoxicity from 17a-methylation. Very low androgenic sides.
Reputation: Despite popular belief, this is not the most myotrophic designer out there: it has the highest Q factor. It is actually only about 77% as myotrophic as the active present in Havoc/Epistane/Hemaguno. Users taking Oxyguno can expect mass gains as well as excellent fatloss. Due to it's incredibly low androgenic ratio, strength gains are not as pronounced.

i would still like to see bloodwork on liver parameters for this compound if used at any effective dosage. some users seem pretty disappointed with this compound at the recommended dose.

Furaguno/ Ortasan-A
Pill Size: 33mg
Nomenclature: 5a0androstano[2,3-c] furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol
Dosages: 33-99mg daily
Side Effects: very mild
Reputation: Supposedly lowers cholesterol, increases androgenic receptor activity, and does not induce any heptatoxicity. This product is too young on the market to have developed a reputation yet. Get some, log it, and let us know so I can update this compound's profile. This is a prosteroid to furazabol.

i have used this, and i am 95% convinced that a dosage of 33-99mg/day is far to low for any user at ~200lbs to experience any effect if used as standalone. i strongly believe it requires at least 1mg/lb of bodyweight. also, while it supposedly lowers overall cholesterol, it still apparently thrashes HDL to LDL ratios. i do not belive in the "twice as strong as Prostanozol" at all. also, it's Orastan-A, not Ortasan. other clones of this are Furazadrol and Winadrol.

3-AD / 11-oxo
Innovator: Anabolic Xtreme / Ergopharm
Pill Size: 150mg
Dosages: 450mg
Nomenclature: andrenosterone, 11-oxo-androstenedione, or 4-androstene-3,11,17-trione (all mean the same thing)
Side effects: Mild
Reputation: This prohormone has a great affinity for blocking up cortisol receptors. User's report great changes in body composition, namely significant fatloss.

3-AD does not actually exist on the market so far. 11-OXO comes in 75mg pills. at the Ergopharm recommended dosage of 225mg/day, do not expect any significant PH like activity at all. furthermore, it's adrenosterone, not andrenosterone. those users reporting "great changes" hav in many cases dosed much higher (thusly more expensive) than recommended dosage (6 to 8 caps or even more).

THE INTERLOCUTOR

[leonidas300]

all excellent criticisms, I would answer better if I could, but all I did was bring this over from another site, I have not used any of the second gen PH's, ohh how I miss 1-T, 4-ad transdermals. Been almost 3 years since I ran that and it was fantastic.

[J2jud]

I too, have seen this over at AM. Glad to see it over here. Thanks, Leonidas.

[DinoT1985]

So is propadrol a PH or an AI? Or was that just an issue with what Ana-Pro contains?

I think its just the issue over Ana-Pro. It confused people as it contained the AI found in Propadrol but not the progestin but still uses the Propadrol name on the label.

[krusha]

Nice post, saw this at AM as well. Lets get this list straight, make those changes, and lets hear some other people make some good changes/additions!

[SpanishLEGS]

M-1,4ADD
Nomenclature: 17a-methyl-1,4-Androstadiene-3,17diol
Dosages: 30-90mg daily
Side effects: heptatoxicity, slight possibility to aggrevate gyno
Reputation: Great for a bulk. Wet gains, and decent strength gains. This is a prohormone of Dianabol.

Any idea how much of the active an user could get from 90mg/day...???

I always thought 120mg/day was the ideal dosage... considering around 15-12% conversion rate: 120mg m1,4add ---> 15-18mg/day dianabol

Only 90mg dosage would deliver a good active I guess-->10mg dianabol

Also, what about hepatoxicity... should 100mg of the ph compared to 100mg of pure dianabol??? then I guess that is a good reason to keep the dosage low...

Last question, is m1,4add active before conversion as for example 4AD??

Any help would be great

[Greg_G]

Sticky?

[Bloute]

Any idea how much of the active an user could get from 90mg/day...???

I always thought 120mg/day was the ideal dosage... considering around 15-12% conversion rate: 120mg m1,4add ---> 15-18mg/day dianabol

Only 90mg dosage would deliver a good active I guess-->10mg dianabol

Also, what about hepatoxicity... should 100mg of the ph compared to 100mg of pure dianabol??? then I guess that is a good reason to keep the dosage low...

Last question, is m1,4add active before conversion as for example 4AD??

Any help would be great

The convertion rate is 16 % but m1,4add has its own anabolic and androgenic activity.

BTW, this list was posted a few weeks ago and a lot of people commented in the previous thread.

[SpanishLEGS]

The convertion rate is 16 % but m1,4add has its own anabolic and androgenic activity.

BTW, this list was posted a few weeks ago and a lot of people commented in the previous thread.

thanks bloute for your help

Any idea about its toxicity compared to pure dbol???

[truhusker]

it was in another thread started by xc

i often use it for reference

it should be stickied however, its always a bitch to find lol

yeah i saved this like a week ago on my desktop so i can always find it, a good reference indeed. I think it perhaps needs an update, though.

[Bloute]

thanks bloute for your help

Any idea about its toxicity compared to pure dbol???

Dbol was marketed because its ratio gains/side effect was better then other alternatives.

If you can get some dbol I would use it over m1,4add but m1,4add users seem to report incredible gain at 90-120 mg and sides are almost absent.

[bongd]

Bumping this so it remains on the first page for a while.

[neverfat]

A+ posts, that sure is true about the trenadrol. I saw good gains my first cycle and not the next. I Have friends who did good on it and friends who saw no change...its hit or miss.

reps for you

[ryanthestark]

Just say no to PH's.....






When real gear is cheaper and safer

[SpanishLEGS]

Dbol was marketed because its ratio gains/side effect was better then other alternatives.

If you can get some dbol I would use it over m1,4add but m1,4add users seem to report incredible gain at 90-120 mg and sides are almost absent.

Thanks bloute youre very helpful...

I was just trying to get a comparison between both in terms of liver toxicity and lipids alterations... But I guess its pretty hard to make an effective comparation mg to mg...

BTW if I go with one of them (not sure yet) I guess I would go with m1,4add, at least I will know what I put in my mouth (naposim is fake here in spain almost everywhere which sucks)

[Interlocutor]

Just say no to PH's.....
When real gear is cheaper and safer

and illegal - in most countries.

furthermore, inhowfar is anadrol, dbol, winny, etc. safer (more long term feedback aside)?

THE INTERLOCUTOR

[LSU1]

interlocutor is the man







just sayin'