The "Slut" reputation...

[janky]

I'm going to do a write-up on this for my website (see sig) but I wanted to discuss it with you guys first and get some general inputs/opinions.

How do you guys feel about the whole "slut" reputation? Does it make you look at a girl differently? Is it an automatic disqualifier if she's in double digits?

Why do you think things are so socially conditioned that way? Doesn't it just create a scenario where men can brag about their "conquests" and women have to lie about theirs? (well, technically a lot of guys are lying about theirs as well hahaha)

What's everyone's take on this?



Here's my thoughts; (Saved it for here in case anyone doesn't wanna read a lengthy post)

I'd rather know up front what I'm getting into. I value simplicity and honesty over all. Most of the spoiled little pumkins that claim they've only been with 5 or 6 guys are full of sht. They've probably been with 5 or 6 that week (or evening).

Do I look at a girl differently if she's labelled a slut? Sure. It gives the impression that it'll be easier to sleep with her. Does it make me disqualify her from a potential relationship? No. That would be based on her actions and character - not her prior sexual experience.

I could care less how many people a girl has been with or what she's done sexually, tbh. As long as she's honest about it, over the "new dick every night" phase, and doesn't have STD's or kids, then a simple number is irrelevant to me.

Plus I'd be calling the kettle black if I were to judge.

Let's ignore the stupid master key/broken lock analogy and supply and demand sht. To be frank, being honest about how many girls I've been with has created problems when it comes to my potential relationships.
Girls are quick to develop a skewed judgement of me based off of my promiscuous past. To say that this only effects women would be ridiculous.
Girls constantly assume I'm just some fck toy and not capable of being in a committed relationship or being faithful to one person. A lot of good girls specifically disqualify me because of it without taking the chance to know me.

So why such an importance on someone's sexual past? Why do we even ask how many people someone's been with? Does it matter? Besides, how likely are we to get an honest answer anyway? Do you really want to hire a PI to investigate?

Sex is just sex. If you're honest about your intentions, clean, and responsible, then I don't see the problem with sleeping with 10 or 100 people.
The biggest problems result from deceit and lying to cover up one's intentions or actions.
That being the case, wouldn't it be a safe assumption that someone who's already has an extensive sexual history is less likely to lie or cheat? Wouldn't you assume they KNOW what they want, and have already done their share of "slutting" ? As opposed to someone sheltered that's never had that rush of a new, quick hookup?

Thoughts?
Inputs?
Cock pics?



EDIT:
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(see sig for url)

[Punisher1012]

sluts? they're everywhere bro. is the "right" thing for girls to be now according to the media and ****. we "should accept it" and let them play us like a cheap arcade game....FUKC THAT ****! I could write you an entire article on how all women are encouraged to be sluts and is acceptable ranging from little 9 year old girls to single moms (bishes wonder why they're single) but the article would just turn to an entire book full of facts that will enraged every whore and feminazi out there. so fukc it

[Al_Pal]

i like sluts alot.


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[YARDGORILLA]

I'm going to do a write-up on this for my website (see sig) but I wanted to discuss it with you guys first and get some general inputs/opinions.

How do you guys feel about the whole "slut" reputation? Does it make you look at a girl differently? Is it an automatic disqualifier if she's in double digits?

*********It determines if it is just sex or potential relationship.

Why do you think things are so socially conditioned that way? Doesn't it just create a scenario where men can brag about their "conquests" and women have to lie about theirs?
*********I think that is currently changing. The feminists who have more recently morphed into the slut cougar "sex in the city" persona have changed it.
For now...................







(see sig for url)

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[TDmuscle25]

I agree its nice to know if a girl may be considered a "slut" obv it will be easier to hook up with her ect.

However If I know a girl has had sex with a lot of guys Im not really bothered, to me it shows that she likes to fuk and have a good time.

I think society is still kinda stuck in its ways of a women shouldn't kiss and tell, or can't fuk multiple men type siht of the 50's, though I think things are changeing. I think as chronicled in the wanna get laid all the time girls will often stop beforeing going "too far" in fear of being labled a slut, because "good" women arent supposed to hook up with randoms.

So imo we're all sluts at heart lol

[Ecnewyx]

As a parenthetical: "couldn't". You "couldn't" care less. As in you are already caring the least amount possible.

Does it make you look at a girl differently? Is it an automatic disqualifier if she's in double digits?

Yes, the same way I would look at a girl differently for anything else. Double digits isn't an automatic disqualifier, I'm not sure there's any number that would cause me to disqualify her regardless of other qualities.

I'd rather know up front what I'm getting into. I value simplicity and honesty over all. Most of the spoiled little pumkins that claim they've only been with 5 or 6 guys are full of sht. They've probably been with 5 or 6 that week (or evening).

Of course, but that's really two separate questions. Your first question is "Do we care if a girl is a slut?" Your second question is "If she is a slut do we want her to be honest and upfront about it?" A guy's answer to the first will vary from person to person, but the answer to the second should be overwhelmingly "YES".

So why such an importance on someone's sexual past? Why do we even ask how many people someone's been with? Does it matter? Besides, how likely are we to get an honest answer anyway? Do you really want to hire a PI to investigate?

Probably has more than a little do with the puritan sexual moires of the 1800s and early 1900s.

I am constantly finding myself at odds on this issue for the following reason: When/if I decide to wife someone I would like to think that any shared experiences with my new bride are, in fact, new ones. Obviously, everything isn't going to be new/unique but I would like as many of them to be new as possible! It's the same reason I wouldn't want to take her on a honeymoon to Japan only to hear about how she already went to Japan with her ex-boyfriend.

"Honey, check out this pagoda! Isn't it amazing?!"

"Yeah, it is... just like it was amazing when I saw it 5 years ago with Janky."


That would suck. (Janky, you honeymoon-ruining son-of-a-bitch. )

Sex is another one of those experiences. So when I am having sex with my wife for however many years we are married, I do not want to have to think about the 10 other guys that she had sex with. I do not want to think about the 100 other guys that she had sex with. I most definitely do not want to think about the 1,000 other guys that she had sex with, including that one time she had a train run on her by that frat in Miami.

"Honey, when we have sex -- Isn't it amazing?!"

"Yeah, it is... just like it was amazing when I had sex with those 999 other guys, including that one time 5 years ago with Janky."


The first way not to think about it is for her not to tell me about it. That's obviously not preferable because (a) she's lying and (b) if I find out it'd be a double-whammy. The second way I wouldn't think about it is if it never happened, hence the preference for women with low-digit numbers.

That said, nothing inherently wrong with a slutty girl. And I wouldn't disqualify a slutty girl from wife-status on that basis alone, provided she was responsible and disease-free.

Thoughts?
Inputs?
Cock pics?

You know me, never one to turn down cock pics. (lolwut)(please don't send me cock pics)

[frasersteen]

Me no care, is bish:
- Hot
- cool
- fun
- good in bed

if yes great, if not me no care about her either

I could not care less if she has screwed 100 or 10,000....well if it was 10,000 I would be wondering about the mechanics of it and up for the cool stories fo' sho' but other than that.....

[janky]

sluts? they're everywhere bro. is the "right" thing for girls to be now according to the media and ****. we "should accept it" and let them play us like a cheap arcade game....FUKC THAT ****! I could write you an entire article on how all women are encouraged to be sluts and is acceptable ranging from little 9 year old girls to single moms (bishes wonder why they're single) but the article would just turn to an entire book full of facts that will enraged every whore and feminazi out there. so fukc it

I agree. It's quite a dramatic shift these days. Behavior that would've once incurred death by public stoning as punishment is now highly publicized as "cool" and "acceptable".
Is that bad? Or does it even the playing field?

i like sluts alot.
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Me too brah. Me too.

above

Ok, so for sex it obviously changes things in a positive manner. What about for relationships?

Yeah, it has changed from a social perspective - more common and what not, but I still feel that almost all girls lie about it. I can count on one hand how many girls I've met that honestly said they've slept with 20+ people.
Then again, the question isn't even in my vocabulary any more haha

I agree its nice to know if a girl may be considered a "slut" obv it will be easier to hook up with her ect.

However If I know a girl has had sex with a lot of guys Im not really bothered, to me it shows that she likes to fuk and have a good time.

I think society is still kinda stuck in its ways of a women shouldn't kiss and tell, or can't fuk multiple men type siht of the 50's, though I think things are changeing. I think as chronicled in the wanna get laid all the time girls will often stop beforeing going "too far" in fear of being labled a slut, because "good" women arent supposed to hook up with randoms.

So imo we're all sluts at heart lol

Yeah. It's in this weird "transition" phase it feels like - we're abandoning all these antiquated sexual restrictions and embracing promiscuity on a radical level, so it's like girls WANT to embrace this and indulge their inner-slut, yet they're still scared that they may be perceived negatively so they typically freeze up when words become actions.

Frustrating, isn't it?

[Robochrist]

id prefer to know a girls a slut before going into a relationship in the same way i'd prefer to know a guys a professional boxer before going into a fight

[janky]

As a parenthetical: "couldn't". You "couldn't" care less. As in you are already caring the least amount possible.

Don't u correckt dat der vocab on me son! You betta ax somebody.

Yes, the same way I would look at a girl differently for anything else. Double digits isn't an automatic disqualifier, I'm not sure there's any number that would cause me to disqualify her regardless of other qualities.

Right. But how would it shape your views of her? Just that she's "easy" ? or that she's more "honest"? etc. that's more of what I was getting at... do you look at it positively or negatively?

Of course, but that's really two separate questions. Your first question is "Do we care if a girl is a slut?" Your second question is "If she is a slut do we want her to be honest and upfront about it?" A guy's answer to the first will vary from person to person, but the answer to the second should be overwhelmingly "YES".

Yep. It's kind of a funny polarity. I mean a lot of guys expect women to be wholesome and not slut it up, yet at the same time they want them to be honest at the risk of being disqualified. Creates a bit of a predicament for men looking to find honest women.
Basically; what they're saying is "I want an honest girl that's only done missionary with one or two people". Good luck with that.

Probably has more than a little do with the puritan sexual moires of the 1800s and early 1900s.

I am constantly finding myself at odds on this issue for the following reason: When/if I decide to wife someone I would like to think that any shared experiences with my new bride are, in fact, new ones. Obviously, everything isn't going to be new/unique but I would like as many of them to be new as possible! It's the same reason I wouldn't want to take her on a honeymoon to Japan only to hear about how she already went to Japan with her ex-boyfriend.

"Honey, check out this pagoda! Isn't it amazing?!"

"Yeah, it is... just like it was amazing when I saw it 5 years ago with Janky."


That would suck. (Janky, you honeymoon-ruining son-of-a-bitch. )

Sex is another one of those experiences. So when I am having sex with my wife for however many years we are married, I do not want to have to think about the 10 other guys that she had sex with. I do not want to think about the 100 other guys that she had sex with. I most definitely do not want to think about the 1,000 other guys that she had sex with, including that one time she had a train run on her by that frat in Miami.

"Honey, when we have sex -- Isn't it amazing?!"

"Yeah, it is... just like it was amazing when I had sex with those 999 other guys, including that one time 5 years ago with Janky."


The first way not to think about it is for her not to tell me about it. That's obviously not preferable because (a) she's lying and (b) if I find out it'd be a double-whammy. The second way I wouldn't think about it is if it never happened, hence the preference for women with low-digit numbers.

See, again, an interesting paradox.
It doesn't matter what she's done, just so long as it doesn't effect your ego
You'd be ok with her slutting or whatever the case, but if it were brought up, it would tarnish the magic of your experience with her (whatever that experience may be).

I doubt any woman would really do that though. lol... don't foresee that happening in your near future

I hear you, but at the same time it is - like you said - a double-edged sword. You need that honesty, but you don't want to know if it's going to make you feel lesser or like you have to "one-up" something from her past.

I don't compete at all. My skills are on their own merit. Take it or leave it. If a girl's had better, great! Chances are, I've had better as well. Accepting that my strengths may only cover other's areas of weaknesses and vice versa has really allowed me to put my mind at ease with this.

If someone has a bigger dick and rails you harder, hit him up. If I can nom a puss like no other, hit me up. It's all irrelevant. What we have together is what we have together, so why compare? Either you like it and continue or you don't and you continue pursuit elsewhere... simple

That said, nothing inherently wrong with a slutty girl. And I wouldn't disqualify a slutty girl from wife-status on that basis alone, provided she was responsible and disease-free.

You know me, never one to turn down cock pics. (lolwut)(please don't send me cock pics)

Sounds good.
And yea, don't post your number like squid did hahaha

Me no care, is bish:
- Hot
- cool
- fun
- good in bed

if yes great, if not me no care about her either

I could not care less if she has screwed 100 or 10,000....well if it was 10,000 I would be wondering about the mechanics of it and up for the cool stories fo' sho' but other than that.....

Agree.

[CCAurora]

The assumption is that if a girl is easy to talk into bed, having a boyfriend would not change that. If a girl is hard to talk into bed, her being in a relationship would only make it harder to get her to sleep with someone else. Dating is not marriage - if you marry the person with whom you cheat, was it ever really cheating?

[9987]

Sex is just sex.

To some people sex isn't just sex.

There are some character traits that I have noticed with people with a high count, but that's for later.

[9987]

The assumption is that if a girl is easy to talk into bed, having a boyfriend would not change that. Dating is not marriage - if you marry the person with whom you cheat, was it ever really cheating?

Depends on the context of dating. If dating = relationship level obligations then yes it's cheating.

[Autopilot]

Is it an automatic disqualifier if she's in double digits?

Depends. 10 is a double digit.....but so is 99. If a girls is my age (30) and has only been with 10 guys......thats nothing.....probably well below average. Most girls start having sex around 15-16 years old. If the same woman had been with 50+ guys Id pass.

[BroGetEm]

Do I look at a girl differently if she's labelled a slut? Sure. It gives the impression that it'll be easier to sleep with her. Does it make me disqualify her from a potential relationship? No. That would be based on her actions and character - not her prior sexual experience.

You don't think a girl who's been banging a different guy every week for the last five years is going to have more trouble keeping her dick in her pants than a girl who's only slept with three guys, all long-term relationships? Please. Sluts are sluts because they either love new and exciting sexual conquests (in which case, they'll get tired of you and cheat) or because they love the attention/influence over many men (in which case, they'll get insecure about your relationship at some point and cheat). Dating a slut is just asking for trouble. There may be a reformed slut here or there, but it's a rare find and not worth the risk. The best GF/Wife is a woman who has never had a one night stand and has only slept with men she's had a relationship with.

Your "enlightened, liberal new-age understanding" and thus, trust of sluts is completely unjustified.

[janky]

id prefer to know a girls a slut before going into a relationship in the same way i'd prefer to know a guys a professional boxer before going into a fight

And sadly, you have an equally likely chance of knowing an accurate answer to either.

Why though? What would knowing accomplish or change about the whole dynamic? What good would knowing do in your opinion?

The assumption is that if a girl is easy to talk into bed, having a boyfriend would not change that. If a girl is hard to talk into bed, her being in a relationship would only make it harder to get her to sleep with someone else. Dating is not marriage - if you marry the person with whom you cheat, was it ever really cheating?

Ok. So the idea here is that a girl who behaves in a promiscuous manner wouldn't discontinue those activities while in a relationship?
IMO, a girl who's had that experience may actually be LESS likely to cheat. This is all hypothetical and there's no definitive, but think about it;
If a girl has had plenty of partners - sexual, bf, whatever - then she's got a good grasp on what she does/doesn't want. She knows what she likes sexually, she knows what traits in a man excite and attract her, and she knows the game enough to tell when to invest and when to withdraw.

Given that learning curve, it's safe to say that she wouldn't pursue a guy on a relationship level if he didn't meet some initial criteria, correct?

Given that she has this prior experience, her criteria is honed in to her wants/needs more so than someone completely new to the dating world, correct?

So by that logic, if she's actively pursuing a man for a relationship - you can damn sure bet that it's a man SHE WANTS.
If she obtains him, and has had enough sex and shtty relationships for a lifetime prior to dating him, wouldn't it stand to reason that the relationship would be more meaningful and important to her?
Therein concluding that she'd be ultimately less likely to stray or take things for granted?

(again, not a definite.. just a theory to consider)

To some people sex isn't just sex.

There are some character traits that I have noticed with people with a high count, but that's for later.

Ok, I'm interested. Please discuss?

I understand there are many moral types and religious types that view sex as something more traditionally substantial.
There are also a lot of people (like myself) who view it as a sloppy, uncoordinated, erratic act of instant gratification. To me, sex is the same as dancing, or playing football, or jogging. It just comes with heaps of connotations on a social level.

What are the traits that you've noticed? I'm really interested in this.

[Ecnewyx]

Don't u correckt dat der vocab on me son! You betta ax somebody.

I consider it teaching. And, given that you are receiving the benefits of said teaching for free you should be a little more appreciative.

Right. But how would it shape your views of her? Just that she's "easy" ? or that she's more "honest"? etc. that's more of what I was getting at... do you look at it positively or negatively?

Negatively. Long rambling explanation incoming but I will provide cliffs at the bottom for those with shorter attention spans:

The two arguments for/against it depend on what you think of the concept of a "slut phase". We'll take two hypothetical women for this comparison, Jenna (the slut) and uh... Maria (the non-slut). Both have had sex 1,000 times. Jenna has had sex with 1,000 guys once each, and Maria has been in a long-term relationship with a single guy with whom she has had sex 1,000 times.

Argument #1: It's just a phase, Bro.

If you buy this argument, then not only is her sluttiness not a disqualifier, it is a positive attribute when determining Jenna's wife-status. This is because Jenna has already gotten the sluttiness out her and she will be less likely to cheat on you during your marriage because she has already experienced the wonders of NSA-sex with randoms. No itch = no scratch. Maria, on the other hand, has only had sex with one person in her entire life. At some point during the marriage she is bound to become curious about sex with other guys... after all, she's missed out on it, right?

Argument #2: Once a slut always a slut.

On the other hand, maybe sluts aren't like the killbots of Futurama: there's no set number of guys that she needs to sex up before she's satisfied. If that's the case, Jenna is a more dangerous prospect because you know she is willing and able to have sex with randoms. What's to stop her from having sex with randoms while you're married? Maria, on the other hand, has an established reputation of being faithful to a single man. So all other things being equal, you'd want the girl who hasn't slept with a ton of different guys.


Cliffs: Leopards can't change their spots, Cuzz. "Leopards" = sluts. "Spots" = voracious appetite for cocks.

[Fiz-iks]

I think a lot of the problem with sluts comes from many guys feeling like they aren't going to be experienced enough to make her happy in bed. Look at the stats we have in RH any guy who has slept with 10+ girls generally doesn't care how many she's slept with because he's probably done everything she's done anyways.

The problems arises when a guy whose only had sex with 1 chick is suddenly confronted by the reality that he might not be good enough for her. (like you said it affects his ego)

I personally don't even like to use the word slut, I prefer "sexually open". and yessss sir I love them!

Also, I wouldn't want someone to judge me based on what they've heard from someone else. So I always like to give people the same respect.

[Ecnewyx]

I think a lot of the problem with sluts comes from many guys feeling like they aren't going to be experienced enough to make her happy in bed.

Disagree with your conclusion. Simpler and more plausible is that a guy who is a slut himself isn't going to care if he dates a slut... because he is also a slut. A guy who isn't a slut for whatever reason (moral, social, political, sexual) is going to care more.

Occam's Razor, Brotato.

Just like sluts probably won't care if you've slept with a ton of other women. But a woman who's been saving herself for marriage probably will.

[DoubtErased]

I hate sluts. I think they should burn. How can a woman sleep around and be used as a cum dumpster. Sluts dont deserve to be in a relationship

[janky]

Depends. 10 is a double digit.....but so is 99. If a girls is my age (30) and has only been with 10 guys......thats nothing.....probably well below average. Most girls start having sex around 15-16 years old. If the same woman had been with 50+ guys Id pass.

Why though?

You don't think a girl who's been banging a different guy every week for the last five years is going to have more trouble keeping her dick in her pants than a girl who's only slept with three guys, all long-term relationships? Please.

Oh boy. Prepare for lengthy debate

No, I do not. Given my experience, the amount of women who cheat is simply not that variable between women with a high sexual partner tally and those with an incredibly low one.
Women with sluttier pasts may have trouble "keeping their dick in their pants" or they may have realized, through trial and error, that empty sex is unfulfilling and simply created a more detailed list of criteria in the men they pursue. (see above reply for more details)

While some women may just be sex addicts that are self-absorbed and fail to care about relationships, others may enjoy sex yet long for something more substantial.

Being with 2 partners or 200 is not an indicator of which category the woman will fall into.

FWIW, I've seen a LOT of women only date 1 or 2 guys their whole lives, get married right away, and 2 years into the relationship decide they're bored, don't like the guy, just married him because of social/peer pressures to, and believe me - they will fcking cream themselves if they even receive a spec of attention from a good looking guy in the absence of their husband.
They never got to experience that part of being a woman. They never "played the field" so to speak. Now they LONG for it and cheat on their husband.

I've also seen a lot of girls that are just addicted to the rush and keep "bf"s on tap - then the minute the "bf" pisses them off, its club rat city. Which brings me to your next point..

Sluts are sluts because they either love new and exciting sexual conquests (in which case, they'll get tired of you and cheat) or because they love the attention/influence over many men (in which case, they'll get insecure about your relationship at some point and cheat).

It's a chemical addiction just like one with narcotics. The correlations between love/sex addicts and drug addicts are astonishing if you really investigate. It's nearly identical. People chase a rush, become immune to it, and chase it even harder - disregarding the trail of destruction they leave behind.

In your statement, you're assuming that women with a high sexual count are addicted to this chemical rush of "hooking up" with new partners. While that's a very safe assumption, you're also neglecting the point I made above.
At some point in life, most "addicts" come to terms with their problem and realize the dramatics it is creating. At that point, many stop and question their actions, and pursue more productive pathing in life.
With love/sex/relationships I'd argue that it's actually easier to realize your problems and correct them.

As for them becoming immune to the rush (or insecure about your immunity to them) and cheating; this is again irrelevant to the number of partners.
It's clearly displayed on many occasions how women with less partners/experience are still just as susceptible to this "rush" as women with many.
If anything, the woman with many would be more seasoned and have a bit more knowledge under her belt going into the encounters - which, if anything, may lead to something more productive than reckless slutting just for the sheer thrill of it.

Plus, FWIW, slut or saint, EVERYONE becomes immune to that rush we call love at some point or another. Ask anyone who's dated someone 5+ years. Sure, you still "love" the person, but you'll never again feel it the way you did within the first couple weeks of your "honeymoon phase".

Dating a slut is just asking for trouble. There may be a reformed slut here or there, but it's a rare find and not worth the risk. The best GF/Wife is a woman who has never had a one night stand and has only slept with men she's had a relationship with.

Your "enlightened, liberal new-age understanding" and thus, trust of sluts is completely unjustified.

I won't disagree with you on the rare find portion. I will, however, state that it's just as rare to find a good girl that won't succumb to urges and create the same exact "trouble", therein making it irrelevant what someone's done in their past.

The best wife is one who's only been with a couple guys and never a ONS? Seriously?
You don't think that all the crazy, exciting stories her friends are telling about the hot firefighter they blew at the club last night are getting her a little aroused and curious?
You don't think enough of these crazy tales would pique her interest just enough to consider it for a split second?

Let's not be naive bro. You've clearly exhibited that you're capable of intelligent thought, so why are you ignoring something so crucial to the debate?

I'm not arguing pro or con here brah, it's a discussion. i'm very open to both sides of this debate and not judging anyone for their beliefs... I just want to understand how everyone sees this.

My "enlightenment" comes from MY experience.

If I were to abide by your train of thought, I would condemn myself to solidarity for life due to my prior actions.
I've been with entirely too many women, both sexually and relationship-wise. Therefore, I must be addicted to the chase (which is true to an extent) and completely unfit to be in a serious relationship.
Although, in all my years, I've never cheated, betrayed, or lied about my intentions to a single woman I've dated. Not once.

My experience has taught me what does and doesn't matter. My interactions have given me a deep understanding of personality traits, my own likes and dislikes, disqualifiers, interest/attraction boosters, games both sexes play, behavioral patterning, etc. etc.

All that has done is made me AWARE of my addiction, cease it in favor of productive outlets, and hone in my pursuit. It's allowed me to be selective and quickly weed through partners that would never pan out in a beneficial manner to save myself time.

So, speaking from someone who is (apparently) a slut himself, I find many flaws in your logic. Perhaps you could explain to me further?

[cheerupemokid]

I'm going to do a write-up on this for my website (see sig) but I wanted to discuss it with you guys first and get some general inputs/opinions.

How do you guys feel about the whole "slut" reputation? Does it make you look at a girl differently? Is it an automatic disqualifier if she's in double digits?

Why do you think things are so socially conditioned that way? Doesn't it just create a scenario where men can brag about their "conquests" and women have to lie about theirs? (well, technically a lot of guys are lying about theirs as well hahaha)

What's everyone's take on this?

A slut isn't disqualified for sex but definitely for relationships.

And I don't think it's social conditioning, I think it's different values.

Women actually prefer an experienced (i.e. desired) man. Look at how they throw themselves at rock stars, and they view inexperienced men with either pity or contempt.

How many threads have you seen in your time here with guys complaining about how they told a girl he was a virgin and they shut down and didn't put out?

Also, for a social experiment I suggest you go to a woman dominated forum and argue that women should not be allowed to vote because they're too irrational to be trusted with that power. And then monitor the responses you get. I am 95% sure that a number of the responses will be about you being a virgin and or never being able to get a girl.

That's how women insult men: A lack of prowess in picking them or for being a virgin.

Men on the other hand tend to value loyalty above all else. They want someone who will stick with them through the good and and the bad and who can be trusted not to **** the neighbor while you're away on business.

Being a slut is a strong indicator that a woman either has extremely poor judgment and puts herself in bad situations, or has some psychological dysfunctions.

Seriously, if sex was just sex and the amount you had did not matter, men would be lining up to date porn stars. Before they have lots of plastic surgery and develop coke habits, a lot of them are very attractive. And because of their lack of inhibitions, they would be great ****s and unlike the average girl, those girls know how to suck a dick.

Dudes are not lining up to date those bitches though.

[CrazyVolodymyr]

Calling a girl a slut is probably the worst thing you could say to her.
Call her ugly? She can just talk to another guy and he'll call her cute
Call her fat? She can talk to another guy and he'll call her perky
But slut? This attacks her reputation right at her core. Call a girl a slut and she'll be panicking that you told other people.


Sex, for better or for worse, has a value to it. How many times have we heard stories of a wife not putting out because the husband didn't take out the trash, or whatever you want. It's a bargaining chip. Yeah she may like it, but she can get something out of it too, whether it's a hotter guy or the trash taken care of. For a slut however, the perception (note: perception =/= reality) is that she decreases in a guy's view because anyone could have her, and she isn't special.

But as you can clearly see here, guys don't seem to care. Most anyways.

It's girls that care.

You see, if a girl is a slut, other girls will believe that girl will get a lesser mate, and it makes the other girls feel better about themselves, that they are special, and will do better, etc.

When you check a girl out, do you notice her purse? Probably not. So why does she put so much emphasis on it's brand name, how it looks, and why on earth does she need seven of them?

Easy. To make other girls envy her, and make her feel better about herself.

So when she calls another girl a slut, one that would normally be hotter and get a better man, she in turn is raising herself higher than the slut and making herself feel better thinking that her clandescent lies about her sexual past won't come out and will enable her to get a better man than the slutty hotter girl

[janky]

I consider it teaching. And, given that you are receiving the benefits of said teaching for free you should be a little more appreciative.

"Couldn't care less" would imply that my levels of caring are at the lowest point possible, hence it would be impossible (could not) to care any less.
Makes sense to me.

Negatively. Long rambling explanation incoming but I will provide cliffs at the bottom for those with shorter attention spans:

The two arguments for/against it depend on what you think of the concept of a "slut phase". We'll take two hypothetical women for this comparison, Jenna (the slut) and uh... Maria (the non-slut). Both have had sex 1,000 times. Jenna has had sex with 1,000 guys once each, and Maria has been in a long-term relationship with a single guy with whom she has had sex 1,000 times.

Argument #1: It's just a phase, Bro.

If you buy this argument, then not only is her sluttiness not a disqualifier, it is a positive attribute when determining Jenna's wife-status. This is because Jenna has already gotten the sluttiness out her and she will be less likely to cheat on you during your marriage because she has already experienced the wonders of NSA-sex with randoms. No itch = no scratch. Maria, on the other hand, has only had sex with one person in her entire life. At some point during the marriage she is bound to become curious about sex with other guys... after all, she's missed out on it, right?

Argument #2: Once a slut always a slut.

On the other hand, maybe sluts aren't like the killbots of Futurama: there's no set number of guys that she needs to sex up before she's satisfied. If that's the case, Jenna is a more dangerous prospect because you know she is willing and able to have sex with randoms. What's to stop her from having sex with randoms while you're married? Maria, on the other hand, has an established reputation of being faithful to a single man. So all other things being equal, you'd want the girl who hasn't slept with a ton of different guys.


Cliffs: Leopards can't change their spots, Cuzz. "Leopards" = sluts. "Spots" = voracious appetite for cocks.

Agree with this. And I feel like that's the ultimatum.
Do you subscribe to the mindset that a whore has gotten it "out of the way" and will be more likely to appreciate a good man? Given that, a inexperienced woman is a whore waiting to be born...
Or
Do you subscribe to the mindset that a whore will be forever destined to whore-dom?
And a good girl has been that way her whole life, so will continue to be?

It's a difficult choice bro.

Personally, I feel that having tons of sex makes you realize what a cheap, meaningless novelty it really is. It's like when you lose your virginity and you're like "Sooo that was it?" lol
For me, tons of sex has led me to want more substantial things from the opposite sex. I know a few girls on the same page as well, soooo either we're the rare exception or a lot of people have some antiquated bible-humping theories about promiscuity
lol jk - no hate, no hate.

So if a leopard can't change its spots, how have I successfully managed to maintain 4 relationships that lasted 1 1/2 - 2 years + without ever so much as TOUCHING another girl? Yet I've been with 60-70 women sexually?

Funny thing is, 3 of those 4 relationships ended with girls (that I was faithful to) cheating on me - and they had only been with "3 or 5 guys" lol...

Explain dat der watson

I think a lot of the problem with sluts comes from many guys feeling like they aren't going to be experienced enough to make her happy in bed. Look at the stats we have in RH any guy who has slept with 10+ girls generally doesn't care how many she's slept with because he's probably done everything she's done anyways.

The problems arises when a guy whose only had sex with 1 chick is suddenly confronted by the reality that he might not be good enough for her. (like you said it affects his ego)

I personally don't even like to use the word slut, I prefer "sexually open". and yessss sir I love them!

Also, I wouldn't want someone to judge me based on what they've heard from someone else. So I always like to give people the same respect.

I think that is a good point for a lot of guys. It boils down to insecurity. They wanna be the best and most guys can't accept that this "princess" they're in love with has gotten fcking SLAMMED hard by two giant dicks at once and lapped up the cum like a hungry slut.

Again, this may be a strong selling point for the argument that life experience will definitely broaden your horizons to these types of issues.

Disagree with your conclusion. Simpler and more plausible is that a guy who is a slut himself isn't going to care if he dates a slut... because he is also a slut. A guy who isn't a slut for whatever reason (moral, social, political, sexual) is going to care more.

Occam's Razor, Brotato.

Just like sluts probably won't care if you've slept with a ton of other women. But a woman who's been saving herself for marriage probably will.

Why you gotta break balls?

I hate sluts. I think they should burn. How can a woman sleep around and be used as a cum dumpster. Sluts dont deserve to be in a relationship

Me too brah. Mee tooooo.

[xb28k]

Personally I don't care with how many different guys a girl has slept. If she didn't sleep around while being in a relatonship, used protection and has no STD's I couldn't care less.

If I had the opportunity to get laid whenever I want wherever I want I'd be in the triple digits at least. To be honest I have a hard time understanding why women don't sleep around more.
Not speaking from experience here, but a lot of guys seem to be complaining about their women/girlfriends not caring about sex enough. I guess this wouldn't be a problem with a slut since she's ovbiously interested in sex and probably tends to be more open-minded in the bedroom.

Although my opinion on sluts will probably change once I get into a relationship and the girl cheats on me.

[SwayWay]

wow not worth reading this whole thread. Basically a women whose slept around alot has low charcter and more likely only worth a pump/dump. There's a reason why other guys just used her a as a cum dumpster. /thread

[Ecnewyx]

So if a leopard can't change its spots, how have I successfully managed to maintain 4 relationships that lasted 1 1/2 - 2 years + without ever so much as TOUCHING another girl? Yet I've been with 60-70 women sexually?

Funny thing is, 3 of those 4 relationships ended with girls (that I was faithful to) cheating on me - and they had only been with "3 or 5 guys" lol...

Explain dat der watson

(Dr. Watson was a military doctor with an unsuccessful private practice who was unable to maintain a relationship with his wife, even though she was a "nice girl". His powers of deduction were also considered inadequate. The more you know!)

And I don't really have an explanation because I don't think (and I know you don't think) there is a blanket rule. If I wanted to be an ass about it I would suggest that despite your proclamation that you have maintained relatively long and faithful relationships in the past, you are not currently married nor have you ever been married. Perhaps it's because you're a slut and unable to commit to a single person for life. Also they sensed your sluttiness and likelihood to stray so they acted upon it first, as women are wont to do.

In any case, I am not a big believer that people can change so if I had to align myself with one of the two sides I would pick the "leopards can't change their spots" argument re: sluts.

Why you gotta break balls?

Low-carb diet + cutting.

[Atlas_Army]

I don't think I see anything with a sexually promiscuous female. I don't mind a woman who is a well seasoned salad, even if the seasoning does not bor its origins from myself

I find that many guys are intimidated by women with more sexual prowess, this is why many guys look for virgins which in my opinion is ridiculous.

[janky]

A slut isn't disqualified for sex but definitely for relationships.

And I don't think it's social conditioning, I think it's different values.

Women actually prefer an experienced (i.e. desired) man. Look at how they throw themselves at rock stars, and they view inexperienced men with either pity or contempt.

How many threads have you seen in your time here with guys complaining about how they told a girl he was a virgin and they shut down and didn't put out?

Also, for a social experiment I suggest you go to a woman dominated forum and argue that women should not be allowed to vote because they're too irrational to be trusted with that power. And then monitor the responses you get. I am 95% sure that a number of the responses will be about you being a virgin and or never being able to get a girl.

That's how women insult men: A lack of prowess in picking them or for being a virgin.

Men on the other hand tend to value loyalty above all else. They want someone who will stick with them through the good and and the bad and who can be trusted not to **** the neighbor while you're away on business.

Being a slut is a strong indicator that a woman either has extremely poor judgment and puts herself in bad situations, or has some psychological dysfunctions.

Seriously, if sex was just sex and the amount you had did not matter, men would be lining up to date porn stars. Before they have lots of plastic surgery and develop coke habits, a lot of them are very attractive. And because of their lack of inhibitions, they would be great ****s and unlike the average girl, those girls know how to suck a dick.

Dudes are not lining up to date those bitches though.

Well, to kick this off - sleeping with a rock star implies a woman's desire to obtain social status. That's actually neither a male nor female trait, but a human one. We all wanna be famous - or know someone famous - or whatever the case may be.

So having said that, i feel like the majority of your point stems from a belief that women value a man with experience, and shun those lacking it. I agree whole-heartedly. I also believe this again relates directly to their status obsession. A virgin is a creepy, unwanted, funny looking, loner. Who wants that? No one! So neither do they!
An experienced man (to some extent, mind you) is desirable by her peers, therefore she has to beat out her peers to obtain him and win the ever-so-important status battle.

I also agree that men put more of a value on finding someone who will ultimately be loyal. I don't however see a correlation to how a woman's sexual past would negotiate her ability to be faithful. How exactly is indulging sexual behavior a display of poor judgement? What makes sexual intercourse something to be frowned upon or looked at negatively?
You could argue that a woman getting shtfaced and having 3 guys bang her is deplorable behavior, yet I find it hard to believe if ANY male here got drunk with 3 girls and they all wanted to take turns riding his cock, that he'd turn it down.

We can further debate supply v. demand if that's where you'd like to go next

Psychological dysfunctions... meh... I won't argue that one

As for your dating porn stars analogy, porn is actually a multi-billion dollar enterprise and adult video conventions attract ridiculous amounts of men hoping to at least get an AUTOGRAPH or PAY for a picture with porn stars.
So much for not "lining up to date them" lol...

To me, sex IS just sex. Your ability (or a woman's) to differentiate a sweaty, clumsy activity and something substantial and emotionally worthwhile is what creates your character.
Not how many dicks you've had in your holes or how many holes your dicks been in.

Calling a girl a slut is probably the worst thing you could say to her.
Call her ugly? She can just talk to another guy and he'll call her cute
Call her fat? She can talk to another guy and he'll call her perky
But slut? This attacks her reputation right at her core. Call a girl a slut and she'll be panicking that you told other people.


Sex, for better or for worse, has a value to it. How many times have we heard stories of a wife not putting out because the husband didn't take out the trash, or whatever you want. It's a bargaining chip. Yeah she may like it, but she can get something out of it too, whether it's a hotter guy or the trash taken care of. For a slut however, the perception (note: perception =/= reality) is that she decreases in a guy's view because anyone could have her, and she isn't special.

But as you can clearly see here, guys don't seem to care. Most anyways.

It's girls that care.

You see, if a girl is a slut, other girls will believe that girl will get a lesser mate, and it makes the other girls feel better about themselves, that they are special, and will do better, etc.

When you check a girl out, do you notice her purse? Probably not. So why does she put so much emphasis on it's brand name, how it looks, and why on earth does she need seven of them?

Easy. To make other girls envy her, and make her feel better about herself.

So when she calls another girl a slut, one that would normally be hotter and get a better man, she in turn is raising herself higher than the slut and making herself feel better thinking that her clandescent lies about her sexual past won't come out and will enable her to get a better man than the slutty hotter girl

Couldn't have said it better myself, brah!!!

*applauds*

[Fiz-iks]

Disagree with your conclusion. Simpler and more plausible is that a guy who is a slut himself isn't going to care if he dates a slut... because he is also a slut. A guy who isn't a slut for whatever reason (moral, social, political, sexual) is going to care more.

Occam's Razor, Brotato.

Just like sluts probably won't care if you've slept with a ton of other women. But a woman who's been saving herself for marriage probably will.

A guy who isn't a slut for whatever reason? Where are all these guys that are turning down sex because of moral reasons? I can understand being in a relationship (but that's cheating, not being a slut)

I have seriously never heard of a guy turning down sex because "he didn't want to be known as a slut". It just doesn't happen.