I cant do a single chin up.
In order for me to get there, do i have to be able to do my whole body weight on lat pull down (are the weights equivalent?).
Thanks!
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10-11-2011, 02:32 PM #1
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10-11-2011, 02:34 PM #2
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the movement is the same essentially but pull-ups are superior
does your gym have an assisted pull-up machine? its a pull-up/dip station with a knee pad looking thing that you can add weight to counterbalance your bodyweight and make pull-ups and dips easier
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10-11-2011, 02:44 PM #3
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Keep training chin ups,have someone help if needed they are a great exercise.At a heavy weight they are.difficult I started off assisted someone taking some weight then eventually did a couple,then 5 and so on
I find pulldowns easy but they dont quite hit the right spot for me,they just dont feel right
When I say chin ups I mean hands wide facing away from you,not close grip palms facing as the poster below says they are a good bicep exerciseYou don't drown by falling in the water. You drown by staying there.
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I wouldn't exactly consider exercising a waste of time.
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10-11-2011, 04:54 PM #12
as with most things in life, including exercises, usually the best way to get better at doing something, is to do the exact thing you're trying to get better at. even if you can't do a complete proper rep, keep trying, every time you work out, and you'll get it sooner or later. being lighter DOES help. when i was 165 lbs i could only do a few chin ups (palms inward) and would be lucky to do a single pull up. but i was also still overweight at that weight.
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10-11-2011, 05:03 PM #13
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10-11-2011, 05:27 PM #14
I'm doing weighted pullups with 25lbs and my bodyweight for 5 reps. I still can't do 200lb pull downs.
Even when I max out on pulldowns I find pullups hit my lats much better.
I started struggling on one and worked my way up. Within a few weeks, I hit 8 then 10. Then I bought a belt to add weight to. Keep at it!
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10-11-2011, 05:37 PM #15
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until i got down to around 180, i couldnt do a single pull up, it was a matter of strength to weight ratio. Skinny guys can do a ton right out of the gate because there is little mass to pull up. Lat pulldowns are a good isolation exercise but do not compare as far as recruiting the maximum amount of "stabilizers".
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"Everyone thinks they're on their way to single digit body fat as soon as they see a blurry four-pack in the right lighting.Your final body weight at 5-6% will be a lot less than what you think.Talk to me again when you get in contest shape." I'd be willing to say that 95% of people on this forum accomplish nothing in years, don't be one of those people. It's sad,they seem to have the knowledge many don't but can't utilize it.
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10-11-2011, 06:28 PM #19
Just this last month I started doing assisted chin up on a machine, started out not able to do one on my own. Now I'm doing 10 chin ups easy all on my own. I was working pull downs 3 months before this and It never seemed too help pull ups much, Just started working out the last 4 months so its do able! I'm still giddy and smiling every time I do one, it feels awesome to finally do a chin up. Its worth it!
Get assisted chin ups and just keep subtracting the assistance or use the chair method till your doing them on your own. That's how It worked for me anyways. Good luck man.
*my bad meant chin ups not pull ups*Last edited by Corb158; 10-11-2011 at 10:11 PM.
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Is this a Pull up or a Chin up thread? I find chin ups to work more my biceps than my back so I'll do them as a warm up when I workout back & bi's.
I can do a ton of pull ups (I did P90x four times) but when I first started I could only do a few. I've tried everything listed here as in bands, assisted, helper, but what I found the best is the following;
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10-12-2011, 12:43 AM #23
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10-12-2011, 02:23 AM #25
Lat pull down is better for targeting my lats (isolating machine). Chin-ups involve biceps,therefor making it easier to pull yourself up - when i started doing wide grip lat pull down sets with half of my bodyweight ,rep ranging from 6-8 with 100-110lbs. I managed to do 1 proper pull down ( 3-4 noodling chinups ).That's that..
But if you progress,achieving your first pull up reps and do them for couple of sets.This is where ppl make the mistake:
They tend to pound the sets,like there's no tomorrow...
1: Max reps
2: Max reps
3: Max reps
4: Max reps
To properly increase the amount of repetitions you can do,you should take the same approach,as you'd take with benchpress (for example),where you do warmup set for 60-70% of your workset weight - then doing worksets.
For example,if you do pull ups on your back day:
1: 60-70% of your max rep
2: 60-70% max rep ( or plain max set)
3: max rep
4: max rep + negative pull ups ( jump up and lower yourself down as slowly as possible)
5: repeat 4th set
(6 if you wish, you can finish your forearms off by doing deadhangs (the stronger grip,the more pull ups you can do)
Ofc. you need to determine the proper workset amount. Some need to do more,some need to do less. Hope it helps!
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