Best Non-Methyl PH on the Market?

[braveand]

Hi,
I'm a wrestler and I had a good experience with 3-AD from AX in the past.

AX discountinued 3-AD and I'm wondering which one is the best non- methyl ph on the market?

Thanks

[lesportifs]

Dienolone prohormone (Tren prohormone) but it's banned in the US.
11-oxo is not banned but you need to run it at high dosage and it cost alot.

[Shimada]

Dienolone prohormone (Tren prohormone) but it's banned in the US.
11-oxo is not banned but you need to run it at high dosage and it cost alot.

Katanadrol from Mr Supps is 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol -- non-methylated and is reputedly quite effective at high doses... I look forward to running it soon.

All the "Tren" prohormones are also both powerful and non-methylated. My current favorite is Trenazone -- which is a transdermal "Tren"... Just ran it for 4 weeks with good results.

[coontentment]

Katanadrol from Mr Supps is 5a-androstanol[2,3]furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol -- non-methylated and is reputedly quite effective at high doses... I look forward to running it soon.

All the "Tren" prohormones are also both powerful and non-methylated. My current favorite is Trenazone -- which is a transdermal "Tren"... Just ran it for 4 weeks with good results.

this was discussed before (when i was lookign into it).

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=123798441

can someone tell me the difference between the compound in katandrol and orastan a?

[Purplekoolaid]

Why does no one talk about 1-andro rx? Converts to 1-test, and is non-methylated. Maybe on the expensive side, but Im almost positive I'll do a run next summer

[Big_Spaz]

11-OXO. It's just simply awesome.





-Spaz

[braveand]

..Why aren't you interested in methyls?

As wrestler I prefer mild compound with low to no side that save asap my liver.
Beside that with 3-AD pct was a breeze with just the aPCT from AX

3-AD is a double dosed 11-OXO so maybe could be the right choice for me.
What about the 11-OXO dose and PCT?

[smt1]

If you want to use 11oxo, I recommend using the bulk powder from smartpowders. It makes it a lot more economical.

[em-dubya]

What are your goals for this cycle? LMG is good when bulking while P-stanz, Furuza A or 11sterone are good for a cut/recomp

[BigKent]

As wrestler I prefer mild compound with low to no side that save asap my liver.
Beside that with 3-AD pct was a breeze with just the aPCT from AX

3-AD is a double dosed 11-OXO so maybe could be the right choice for me.
What about the 11-OXO dose and PCT?

3ad converts to Stanolone

11oxo works differently. Unless I'm unaware

I also have 3 bottles of 3AD, still within expiry

[AlphaTauMuscle]

1.Bold (illegal but easy to obtain)
2. Tren (same illegal but easy to get)
3. M-LMG
4. Furuza-A
5. P-Stanz
6. 11-Oxo

[StringerrBell]

Tren!!!

[Shimada]

If I'm not mistaken...

5a-androstano(2,3-c) furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether
Orastane-E -- Prostanozol


[3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Orastane-A -- Furaguno


Both of the above are more powerful than 11-OXO. And "Tren" (Nordienedione) is better than both and is probably your best bet.

[braveand]

What are your goals for this cycle? LMG is good when bulking while P-stanz, Furuza A or 11sterone are good for a cut/recomp

I just want to add few more lbs of lbm.

[braveand]

If I'm not mistaken...

5a-androstano(2,3-c) furazan-17b-tetrahydropyranol ether
Orastane-E -- Prostanozol


[3,2-c]pyrazole-5alpha-etioallocholane-17beta-tetrahydropyranol
Orastane-A -- Furaguno


Both of the above are more powerful than 11-OXO. And "Tren" (Nordienedione) is better than both and is probably your best bet.

Are all non-methyl?

[braveand]

1.Bold (illegal but easy to obtain)
2. Tren (same illegal but easy to get)
3. M-LMG
4. Furuza-A
5. P-Stanz
6. 11-Oxo

How do you compare these ph with 3-AD?
Are all more powerful?

[K Rock 12]

i was just looking at CEL P-Stanz

[Shimada]

Are all non-methyl?

Yep... (In fact, methylated prostanozol is winstrol, and methylated 'tren' is methyldienolone.)

All are more powerful than 3-AD. Tren >> Prostanozol >>>>> 3AD/11OXO

[braveand]

Yep... (In fact, methylated prostanozol is winstrol, and methylated 'tren' is methyldienolone.)

All are more powerful than 3-AD. Tren >> Prostanozol >>>>> 3AD/11OXO

Sounds good to me..

When you say tren you mean x-tren, tren-e (x-tren clone) or whatelse?
What do you suggest for my pct? 6-oxo?

[Shimada]

Sounds good to me..

When you say tren you mean x-tren, tren-e (x-tren clone) or whatelse?
What do you suggest for my pct? 6-oxo?

'Tren' is estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione -- as in 'tren-xtreme,' 'trenazone,' 'x-tren,' etc... all these 'tren' compounds all have the same active ingredient. (Except for 'trenadrol', which is different -- and much more expensive, harder to find, and not quite as effective. In my opinion, that is.)

If you're going to take an estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione product, you will want to run a serious PCT. More serious, in any case, than 6-OXO.

Hope this helps!

[blackscorp]

'Tren' is estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione -- as in 'tren-xtreme,' 'trenazone,' 'x-tren,' etc... all these 'tren' compounds all have the same active ingredient. (Except for 'trenadrol', which is different -- and much more expensive, harder to find, and not quite as effective. In my opinion, that is.)

If you're going to take an estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione product, you will want to run a serious PCT. More serious, in any case, than 6-OXO.

Hope this helps!

Kilosports Tren is the bomb I am told.

[Eyayo]

estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione COULDNT touch trenadrol

[Shimada]

estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione COULDNT touch trenadrol

Funny you should say that... See, some people swear by Trenadrol, but I've known a number of people who got absolutely nothing out of it. Some of them ended up giving the stuff away. Perhaps there were some quality control or dosing issues? On paper, 17b-methoxy-trienbolone seems like a tremendous compound... Odd that most of the real-world evidence I've seen/heard has been mixed.

[blackscorp]

estra-4,9-diene-3,17-dione COULDNT touch trenadrol

Kilosports Tren = 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

[Big_adam123]

Tren

[Eyayo]

Kilosports Tren = 17b-methoxy-trienbolone

i understand. He said it wasnt as effective, which i disagree.

[blackscorp]

i understand. He said it wasnt as effective, which i disagree.

It has been shown to be MORE effective then its sister estra

Good to agree

[Eyayo]

Funny you should say that... See, some people swear by Trenadrol, but I've known a number of people who got absolutely nothing out of it. Some of them ended up giving the stuff away. Perhaps there were some quality control or dosing issues? On paper, 17b-methoxy-trienbolone seems like a tremendous compound... Odd that most of the real-world evidence I've seen/heard has been mixed.

i agree.

[Purplekoolaid]

Why does no one talk about 1-andro rx? Converts to 1-test, and is non-methylated. Maybe on the expensive side, but Im almost positive I'll do a run next summer

post on anabolic minds gives it a 10/10 and says its the best for maximum gains. I don't see anyone recommending it though?

Not sure if I am allowed to link the post, but it's making me excited to turn 21. It does cost 150$ for a full run though (6 bottles)

[Eyayo]

It has been shown to be MORE effective then its sister estra

Good to agree

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