The Official PL Family Appreciation Thread: Part X

[bmontgomery87]

Boxes, Bands and chains have never made a methodology. He's still using the Westside methods just not what they actually are doing Westside and neither does most everyone else since we don't actually train there. I actually think the cube method is harder to track then straight up 2 DE days and 2 ME days a week. Couldn't be easier. People make things so much harder then they should be. But I do see value in his approach to help recovery if that's an issue or if you wanted to focus on growing muscle.

Agreed. And that's why I'm saying he wasn't directly attacking westside. I think he's mainly speaking to the guys who think they're doing "westside" and think you have to use bands, live on a reverse hyper, and box squat every week.

Making money seems to be about using others ideas, changing and rebranding them, then selling a book about it. After all thats what Louie did with the conjugate method and the maximal effort method. So Lilly isn't really using Westsides methods per se, he's taking ideas from the Russians and Bulgarians, like Louie.

Yes the cube method has a max effort day, and a speed day. But the speed days aren't the same. no boxes, no accommodating resistance (which i'm pretty sure westside still does). And he's saying you can get strong with a barbell. you don't need a camber bar, RH, all of the jump swing things Westside has, etc.

To me, it looked similar to 5/3/1 in a lot of ways. You had a higher reps week (5s and it looks like the does a lot of AMRAP stuff with a given weight as you would on 5/3/1). And there is a week where you work up to a heavy single. And his philosophies seem similar. Just basic barbell training, no need to overcomplicate things.

I think the cube is a lot easier to set up than trying to set up band waves and circa max phases, etc. I guess we'll see when the book comes out.

[bmontgomery87]

And reverse band stuff was called the lightened method or the future method. duno if that counts.

[Jason2459]

Agreed. And that's why I'm saying he wasn't directly attacking westside. I think he's mainly speaking to the guys who think they're doing "westside" and think you have to use bands, live on a reverse hyper, and box squat every week.

Making money seems to be about using others ideas, changing and rebranding them, then selling a book about it. After all thats what Louie did with the conjugate method and the maximal effort method. So Lilly isn't really using Westsides methods per se, he's taking ideas from the Russians and Bulgarians, like Louie.

Yes the cube method has a max effort day, and a speed day. But the speed days aren't the same. no boxes, no accommodating resistance (which i'm pretty sure westside still does). And he's saying you can get strong with a barbell. you don't need a camber bar, RH, all of the jump swing things Westside has, etc.

To me, it looked similar to 5/3/1 in a lot of ways. You had a higher reps week (5s and it looks like the does a lot of AMRAP stuff with a given weight as you would on 5/3/1). And there is a week where you work up to a heavy single. And his philosophies seem similar. Just basic barbell training, no need to overcomplicate things.

I think the cube is a lot easier to set up than trying to set up band waves and circa max phases, etc. I guess we'll see when the book comes out.

Even Lou says you shouldn't use bands as a beginner and shouldn't do strength speed(band waves) or circa Max unless you are advanced. Also its in the Max effort method to hit 3-5 reps above 90% which again Louie has said that could be a 5RM, 3RM, or 3 singles up to a 1RM. Straining is the main goal. (RTS anyone?)

I'm all for Brandon coming out with this but it will capitalize on miss understandings of the Westside Methods it is based on. If any deserves origination credit its Mel Siff which Louie has never hid that fact and has always given full credit to everyone for every thing they've done.

[bmontgomery87]

Even Lou says you shouldn't use bands as a beginner and shouldn't do strength speed(band waves) or circa Max unless you are advanced. Also its in the Max effort method to hit 3-5 reps above 90% which again Louie has said that could be a 5RM, 3RM, or 3 singles up to a 1RM. Straining is the main goal. (RTS anyone?)

I'm all for Brandon coming out with this but it will capitalize on miss understandings of the Westside Methods it is based on. If any deserves origination credit its Mel Siff which Louie has never hid that fact and has always given full credit to everyone for every thing they've done.

Yeah Siff definitely had a lot of the ideas before anyone else. And Prillipitin (spelling) did the lifts at given percentages.

I get what you're saying and there are clearly some borrowed ideas. Wendler, Lilly, and Tate all trained at Westside and I do find it interesting that none of them seem to preach that westside is the way to go anymore, and none of them still train that way, though Tate does seem to box squat a lot so he held onto that idea. I'd say Brandon kept the things he felt made him stronger, and ditched the unneeded stuff that was just a hassle, which is what every lifter should do.

I've got a friend who is doing RTS and it looks like complete overkill to me. All of this perceived effort stuff and fatigued sets. It's too much math and thinking IMO.

[Jason2459]

They all are also trying to sell something...

Edit : Tate as far as I know still believes in Westside methods for its intended purposes. Getting stronger.

[simp3204]

Too much cali talk. You fukkers should be talking about moving to CO. Then we can all have a big PL Fam shoot and blow up stuff in the woods. Can't do that kinda thing in cali. Not to mention the world class ski resorts here.

I'm down to shoot and blow stuff up, but I don't partake in skiing or snowboarding.

I have no chest whatsoever, mixed with weight gain. They aren't huge or anything but they're kind of tit like.

I've drawn the line at 40 bucks. It's one thing if you're putting out a hard copy but paying more than 20 bucks for an ebook is bullsh** in my opinion. I was dumb enough to do it for CBL, but I did learn a thing or two I guess.

The tit thing sucks. I agree with the ebook prices.

[bmontgomery87]

They all are also trying to sell something...

Very true.

I think everyone is trying to sell something and is obviously going to have a bit of bull**** going on with what they say. But I'm typically going to go with whatever seems simpler to setup and requires me to have the least amount of equipment in my home gym. That's why I was a fan of 5/3/1.

I do obviously think Lilly believes in what he's doing, as his whole group trains that way. And he's got guys like Chad Walker and Joey Smith who are both willing to do it. I'm just excited to see how it looks and how well it works for me and others.

[Jason2459]

I have no doubt that the cube method will work.

[bmontgomery87]

I saw today that EFS added Cartwright to their staff. Will be cool to see some articles from him

[Doollas]

This nutty girl I had a one night stand (all her doing btw) with never talked to me after (why don't they ever call?) sent out a ******** message to me and a few other dudes asking for help moving. lol not sure if srs.

Even better news, my thesis got back from formatting review and they only asked for two small as fuk changes. I made all my other final stupid edits today, feels good.

[arian11]

This nutty girl I had a one night stand (all her doing btw) with never talked to me after (why don't they ever call?) sent out a ******** message to me and a few other dudes asking for help moving. lol not sure if srs.

Even better news, my thesis got back from formatting review and they only asked for two small as fuk changes. I made all my other final stupid edits today, feels good.

Did you reply "not sure if serious" and then sit back and wait?

[Doollas]

Did you reply "not sure if serious" and then sit back and wait?

I was going to but I think I'll see her at a friends going away part Saturday and was hoping to bust her out then. Perhaps I should do it now.

[arian11]

Loled at Keifer trolling.

[Doollas]

Advice taken bra...if worthwhile screenshots will be shared.

[arian11]

Just killed my 10 lbs jug of protein. What brand protein do you bros get and where from? I typically get IDS 10 lbs for about $80. Anyone know of any better deals?

[zmcdole]

Getting ready to go squat. late night lifting for me. LOL, not really late night (7:30), but it's about 2.5-3 hours later than I normally train.

[zmcdole]

Just killed my 10 lbs jug of protein. What brand protein do you bros get and where from? I typically get IDS 10 lbs for about $80. Anyone know of any better deals?

The MuscleTech 100% Whey that I pick up at Sams for $33 for 5lbs is about as good a deal as I can find when I don't get 5lbs for $12 from my buddy who is the manager at Vitamin World.

[Jason2459]

Getting ready to go squat. late night lifting for me. LOL, not really late night (7:30), but it's about 2.5-3 hours later than I normally train.

Glad you added that last part...

[martin_mathers]

i usually just walk into popeyes and ask for the cheapest protein they have

[Jason2459]

Loled at Keifer trolling.

Lol that's awsome

[InspecktaDeck]

Mailed in my entry form for the camp pen meet. Month & 6 days to go.

[xRequiem]

Getting ready to go squat. late night lifting for me. LOL, not really late night (7:30), but it's about 2.5-3 hours later than I normally train.

that's late for us with kids haha

i can barely stay up past 10pm

[Jason2459]

that's late for us with kids haha

i can barely stay up past 10pm

Hell, I'm not training until 10pm 11pm or sometimes later because of kids.

[Trah275]

Just killed my 10 lbs jug of protein. What brand protein do you bros get and where from? I typically get IDS 10 lbs for about $80. Anyone know of any better deals?

i use trutein because the macros really help me to stay shredded brah...but seriously though i can't do 100% whey because of the lactose and this **** it delicious at about 45-50 for 5lbs.

Mailed in my entry form for the camp pen meet. Month & 6 days to go.

awesome...awesome to the max...

[simp3204]

Mailed in my entry form for the camp pen meet. Month & 6 days to go.

I need to do that.

i use trutein because the macros really help me to stay shredded brah...but seriously though i can't do 100% whey because of the lactose and this **** it delicious at about 45-50 for 5lbs.

I have the cinnamon Trutein and I don't really like it all that much. What flavor do you have?

[Trah275]

I need to do that.


I have the cinnamon Trutein and I don't really like it all that much. What flavor do you have?

I've had the cinnabun, delicious. Just finished jamocha ISO was good. Currently have banana cream, choco peanutbutter, and two tubs of shamrock shake. Banana cream is so-so, but mixed with the choco pb is pretty good. I like to mix them. What size is your cinnamon? Wanna trade for banana

[ampUP11]

I've had the cinnabun, delicious. Just finished jamocha ISO was good. Currently have banana cream, choco peanutbutter, and two tubs of shamrock shake. Banana cream is so-so, but mixed with the choco pb is pretty good. I like to mix them. What size is your cinnamon? Wanna trade for banana

The shamrock shake any good?

[simp3204]

I've had the cinnabun, delicious. Just finished jamocha ISO was good. Currently have banana cream, choco peanutbutter, and two tubs of shamrock shake. Banana cream is so-so, but mixed with the choco pb is pretty good. I like to mix them. What size is your cinnamon? Wanna trade for banana

That's about $200 in protein (if they're 5lb tubs), cot dayum. I probably have around 4lbs of cinnamon. I don't think I would like banana, .

[BigLarge]

I usually buy Dymatize Elite Gourmet - whey/cassein blend for like $37 per 5lbs. Best chocolate flavor ive had

[bmontgomery87]

I like ON Strawberry.