Hey guys,
Ive been working out since I was 17, experimented both with my supplements and training for twenty years. But definately not too proud to ask for help, always more to learn in this sport.
I have a question to throw out there. Interested to know other people's experiences in my age group. Im almost 38. I lift heavier than I did in my twenties, but in the last year or 2 I notice I also take longer to recover.
For example, I feel good and fresh for chest and triceps on a Monday, but after hitting it hard, I feel wrecked for most of the week. I find it difficult to workout other muscle groups, the next day, or a couple days later (my muscles always hurt more 2 days after a workout) when I have sore muscles.
My question for everyone is, does anyone enjoy a cost effective supplement and way of recovering faster to the point of really noticing a difference, not just a subtle difference or taking it on faith the supplement is doing something for you? I have always used protein, vitamins and test boosters but never bothered with recovery supplements as much because I didn't have to in the past. So would be really interested to hear other people's experiences with recovery supplements.
Cheers guys
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Thread: Recovery supplements
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04-25-2012, 03:49 PM #1
Recovery supplements
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04-25-2012, 03:50 PM #2
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04-25-2012, 06:36 PM #3
Well I have found that an every other day schedule helps me and I started doing the Ronnie c meat and rice post workout meal . It seems to give me exactly what I need when I kill it in the gym! Depending on your schedule after age 30/35 recovery seems to take a bit longer than before. Of course it depends on you.
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04-25-2012, 08:41 PM #4
Thanks for the suggestion mate but I'm not dropping the supplements. What I take has made a definate improvement in my performance and results and after 20 years of playing with supplements I know what works for me in that department on my body. As far as sleeping more I already get plenty of sleep, and I'm eating at the right rate right now to maintain muscle while dropping some bodyfat.
No offense mate but you are 25 according to your profile, I think that someone in my age group or older would have the experiences I want to learn from. That's why I posted in the 35+ forum. Let me know how fast you are recovering when you reach my age
X-trainer ben thanks for your advice I will look into that
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04-25-2012, 08:53 PM #5
I am also 37 and have recently got back into lifting. I started using Scivation Extend BCAA mix and I have noticed a marked difference in soreness and recovery time. I drink it while I train and sip some throughout the day in off days. It is relatively inexpensive, mixes easily, and tastes great. Buy a tub and I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
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04-25-2012, 09:08 PM #6
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04-25-2012, 09:36 PM #7
That's not exactly helfpul mate. Of course I'm prepared for the aging process no one can do anything about that. But there's no denying that there are things you can do to maximize your performance. Test starts slowly dropping, take test boosters etc. What's stupid about asking others if they have experienced enhanced recovery through the use of supplements? Thanks for insulting my intelligence but I think I will stick to learning from other peoples positive experiences. Not being insulted for using these forums exactly as they are intended, cheers.
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04-25-2012, 09:51 PM #8
Not sure why you keep repeating the 'as you say' about me lifting for 20 years, is it that hard to believe? Plenty have been lifting a lot longer than me. I do eat plenty btw thanks, plenty of weight for my frame. And everyone has different experiences, not all have the same, or even age the same. I'm not talking about a miracle supplement that defies the aging process. As you can see someone else on here has already posted their experience in faster recovery with a supplement. I have heard your say, and your piece, thats your opinion and you are entitled to it. As I said, I'm looking on, cheers
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04-25-2012, 10:09 PM #9
I never said that I had experimented with recovery supplements. Thats the exact reason I asked the question in the post about other peoples experiences. Such a shame you don't have something more constructive to say other than to pick apart my post and insult me. Look at my join date, 2003, and less than 40 posts, its because of people like you that I have never bothered in the past. So disappointing that hasn't changed.
I think you could work out for yourself that you are being insulting and obviously wouldn't be appreciated, so why bother going to the trouble?
I don't need to justify myself, my experiences or my time lifting to you. Either you have something helpful to bring to the table or you don't, in which case its obvious its the latter. I'm greatful there are at least some people on here who are helpful.
So if you don't mind, stop hijacking this thread. I've already told you that I find you insulting, and it seems you have more where that comes from. So I'm not interested in hearing anymore from you thanks.
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04-25-2012, 10:16 PM #10
Yeah, I've had a lot of trouble with this.
I have a high intensity job, which by itself often burns me out. Add to that my exercise schedule, and I could nap all day.
I have a few regular vitamins, which I take.
My boost drink;
1-1/2 cups chopped frozen fruit -because it makes the drink like a frappe (blueberries, or strawberries, bananas, mixed fruit etc)
option (expresso) if you need the caffene boost.
1/2 - 3/4 cup orange juice
1/2 cup skim milk
Vitamins (I drop in my mega pack which is about 8-9 pills containing multi, arginine, omegas, prostate formula, and tribulus mix)
Blend the mix,
Add water as needed, with 2 heaping cups of my protein mix.
Blend
Makes 1 1/2 - 2 large servings
I take it when I'm feeling a little low energy, or pre workout.
This is the only d@mn thing that has actually given me a decent lasting energy boost.
One of these drinks lasts me a couple days.I'm going to take the Sc0liosis curve out of my back and eliminate my nerve pain
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04-25-2012, 10:27 PM #11
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04-26-2012, 04:00 AM #12
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04-26-2012, 04:06 AM #13
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04-27-2012, 07:25 AM #14
Just found this link for ya to browse
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=144377671
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04-27-2012, 04:16 PM #15
Am nearly twice your age and also take BCAAs during my workouts. I realize that many will argue that they're a waste of money, especially since I'm not on a protein-deficient diet and normally consume between 1.25 and 1.55 g of protein/lb of bw daily. While I don't disagree with such an argument, I'm biased (which goes against my scientific core) and feel that consumption of BCAAs during workout has enabled me to train essentially DOMs free and without substantial loss of lean muscle mass. I still get excellent burns, especially in my arms and legs, but haven't had DOMS and chronic elbow tendenitis like I did before starting BCAAs 14 months ago. At my age, these are considerations that I don't take lightly. Placebo effect? All in my head? Perhaps. But on the other hand, I'm not ready to change my ways.
If interested, here's an earlier scientific reference:
Int J Sport Nutr Exerc Metab. 2006 Dec;16(6):620-35. Effects of amino acid supplementation on muscle soreness and damage. Nosaka K, Sacco P, Mawatari K. School of Exercise, Biomedical and Health Sciences, Edith Cowan University, Joondalup, Australia. k.nosaka@ecu.edu.au
Abstract: This study investigated the effect of a supplement containing 9 essential and 3 non-essential amino acids on muscle soreness and damage by comparing two endurance exercise bouts of the elbow flexors with amino acid or placebo supplementation in a double blind crossover design. The supplement was ingested 30 min before (10 h post-fasting) and immediately after exercise (Experiment 1), or 30 min before (2-3 h after breakfast), immediately post, and 8 more occasions over 4-day post-exercise (Experiment 2). Changes in muscle soreness and indicators of muscle damage for 4 days following exercise were compared between supplement conditions using two-way ANOVA. No significant differences between conditions were evident for Experiment 1; however, plasma creatine kinase, aldolase, myoglobin, and muscle soreness were significantly lower for the amino acid versus placebo condition in Experiment 2. These results suggest that amino acid supplementation attenuates DOMS and muscle damage when ingested in recovery days.Inactivity Kills!!!
My journal: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=140991491 Age is NOT an acceptable excuse.
Played with dinosaurs as a child. Back then everyone was thin; it was a matter of out-running the raptors or being one of their meals.
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04-28-2012, 10:28 AM #16
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fish oil-anti inflamitory proterties, promotes lean muscle mass, and inhibits catabolism.
HMB-puts recovery system into overdrive but costs about 40 dollars a month. This also works great with creatine
Not sure about ZMA because i have never personally tried it but it might be something you could check out.
Only other thing i can think of it to take advantage of the recovery cycle when you sleep by makeing sure you get enough calcium and protien before bed time. protien of .4g/pound of body weight is what June issue of muslemag suggest.
Nutrition and rest are still the best ways to maximize your recovery for long term goals
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04-28-2012, 12:40 PM #17
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Dude, I have been training for well over 20 years I take supps without them I would not have the build I have.
For recovery, I take glutamine, BCAA, many say they don't work, but it works for me so I tell those people go suck a f'cking egg and let me do me and you go do you.
And then some of them (with horrible builds) will post a f'cking linkOn the list for Bannukah
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04-28-2012, 04:38 PM #18
Recovery supplements
If you take supplements,and you THINK they're helping you,personally i would continue to use them.
Even if they are'nt having any great physiological effect,and are no more than a placebo,but they are
having a positive psychological effect,surely it is worthwhile,as the mind is an extremely powerful tool.
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04-28-2012, 04:52 PM #19
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04-28-2012, 04:56 PM #20
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04-29-2012, 03:04 PM #21
Thanks xtrainerben for that link, it was helpful because I haven't used these boards enough in the past to find my way around that well, I even struggle to find my own posts - still working out the system.
Bodyhard and houstonTXmuscle I'm glad to hear your experiences with BCAAs because its something I have heard from a few people now, and its honestly one supplement I have never tried. So I'm looking forward to trying a good course of that. Looking around it seems BCAAs aren't overly expensive either. I know rest and nutrition are important as others are saying, but I have also had some positive experiences with certain supplements, and I see no reason why BCAAs couldn't give results too.
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04-29-2012, 07:50 PM #22
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04-29-2012, 08:44 PM #23
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04-30-2012, 05:44 AM #24
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04-30-2012, 07:01 AM #25
I tend to try new stuff in grape first. I figure if they can't get that right, then go no further. I guess it's a throwback to my childhood. Grape Kool Aid was the ticket. Still love the sugarfree type, too. Don't think my kidneys appreciate it, though.
I was gonna mix that in when I started up with creatine soon.I may look like Santa Claus.....but I'm feeling like Elvis...........
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04-30-2012, 07:05 AM #26
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05-01-2012, 07:07 AM #27
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05-03-2012, 05:02 PM #28
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05-09-2012, 09:56 AM #29
Oceanside is being a troll.... OP, i understand your need to ask such a question. Im not over 35, but i also believe that Xtend helps with my recovery. Basically any BCAA supplement will do relatively the same thing, but I would recommend looking at other supps that have non essential and essential amino acids. Intrabolic is good. Has whey protein peptides which are basically a very broken down form of whey so that it is absorbed extremely quick. Glutamine is also known to help with recovery. I am yet to try a pure glutamine supp, as there is already glutamine is many supps i already take, but I have friends who swear by it.
Umadbro?
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05-09-2012, 12:28 PM #30
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