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11-28-2012, 07:28 AM #151
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11-28-2012, 07:44 AM #152
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11-28-2012, 07:58 AM #153
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11-28-2012, 08:00 AM #154
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11-28-2012, 08:01 AM #155Kai Greene, Phil Heath, Cedric McMillan, Lionel Beyeke, Shawn Rhoden
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11-28-2012, 08:03 AM #156
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11-28-2012, 08:06 AM #157
Many do, but personally I wouldn't agree. Just goes to show that you can never really go beyond the subjective point of view when discussing bodybuilding... I mean, I can understand why Arnold's win wasn't a given and why it's up for discussion, but I could never understand why people would say it was clearly rigged or w/e. To me, there was no clear winner that year
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11-28-2012, 08:12 AM #158
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"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
"Proper preparation prevents poor performance," - Kai Greene
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11-28-2012, 08:17 AM #159
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11-28-2012, 08:36 AM #160
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"Being the best in your circle is not enough; you have to think bigger to become a champion. Don’t think like a small fish in a big pond or else when you get to the ocean you’ll be eaten alive." - Fouad Abiad
"Proper preparation prevents poor performance," - Kai Greene
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11-28-2012, 08:46 AM #161
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11-28-2012, 10:58 AM #162
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11-28-2012, 11:18 AM #163
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11-28-2012, 11:50 AM #164
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11-28-2012, 12:05 PM #165
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Do you even English, brah? I very well know how Dorians arm is made up, and his arm thickness not displayed in this pic, doesnt stand up well to Dillett. His tricep muscle is atleast 30% smaller in volume than Dillett,s who had some of the best triceps ever, but this is not new to the knowledgeable few. Deal with it.
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11-28-2012, 02:25 PM #166
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11-28-2012, 02:40 PM #167
Dickerson won that show. All this banter over the 1997 Mr. O is senseless when you bring up the 1980 and 1981 Mr. O's. 1980 was a gift for Arnold to start up his acting career. 1981....well.....who knows. Franco looked awful and somehow won. Those two won those years and won basically because of how close they were with the powers that be. It is really obvious and pathetic. Let the flames start....whatever. It is what it is. I go against Arnold in two ways- the 1980 Mr. O and that he was not better that Sergio. I think he was good for the sport but never liked his cocky demeanor. Sergio, IMO handed Arnold his lunch when they went head to head.
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11-28-2012, 03:25 PM #168
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11-28-2012, 03:26 PM #169
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11-28-2012, 04:01 PM #170
Man Shawn Ray physique was amazing, dude had big arms small mid section nice v taper and his back is packed with slabs of muscle, the guys today can't even compare to this mans aesthetics.
The only reason I think the Olympia went to this mass freak show criteria, is because some super rich investors who got off on that stuff probably requested it or else they wouldn't give millions to help fund the contest and keep it alive?
I was a fan of body builder because of the golden age the Frank Zanes, Arnolds, guys like that, bodies that looked like they were carved from stone and still looked normal in clothes.
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11-28-2012, 04:01 PM #171
We can argue whether or not he was the very best on that stage, but it was by no means a steal if you ask me. Arnold held his own!
Sorry for thread hijack but this topic never gets old :PMy recommended reading
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http://www.biolayne.com.com/ - natural bodybuilder Layne Norton!
http:://www.bodyrecomposition.com - Lyle McDonald's site - tons of great articles!
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11-28-2012, 04:14 PM #172
I like this thread, talking about the controversies and all. As long as everyone is civil to each other about and presents their views in an informed way then it's a really good discussion. But how long the civility will last is the main thing.
In my opinion, Arnold won. Yes he was flawed, chiefly his legs, and yes he wasn't as massive as he had been. BUT, everyone else in that competition had their own flaws as well, and Arnold was still more massive than all of them. Arnold presented the best package at the 80 Olympia and hence he won.
Someone brought up 81, now THAT was a terrible decision.
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11-29-2012, 12:55 AM #173
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11-29-2012, 04:27 AM #174
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I agree completely with Ray. If Lee Priest had said the same thing, you all would be saying how great he is to say that etc. Some people don't like him, but I have never had a problem with him and I have been following the sport longer than some of you have been out of diapers.
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11-29-2012, 04:30 AM #175
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11-29-2012, 04:40 AM #176
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11-29-2012, 08:17 PM #177
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11-30-2012, 03:10 AM #178
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Was it the truth? In Shawn's eyes (and the people who agree with his statements), yes. People will agree and disagree. The fact that it's a subjective sport and no one really knows what the judges thoughts and opinions are/were doing a show, throws a curve ball in something being 100% fact in my opinion.
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