how come thermolife is the only one who uses this ingredient? do they own it or something? it looks like a cool ingredient, how come no one else uses it?
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Thread: tribulus alatus?
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11-02-2009, 12:26 PM #1
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11-02-2009, 12:37 PM #3
It's in another product called RECYCLE.
Tho Im sure there was some thread about how legit it was, tho PL seems to be a legit company.
Both companies look solid. Im unsure why other companies haven't jumped on this! I remember reading the info on it before T-BOL even came out, so I'm unsure how patents and what not actually work.
It seems to have some promise.
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11-02-2009, 12:37 PM #4
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11-02-2009, 12:41 PM #5
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^^this^^
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11-02-2009, 01:39 PM #6
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11-02-2009, 02:25 PM #10
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Correct. They can notify you that they have a patent pending and should they get that you either stop selling it / go to court over possible royalties etc. That is also totally separate from what the patented use is for, what the other companies are using it for etc etc etc.
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11-02-2009, 02:33 PM #11
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11-02-2009, 05:28 PM #14
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No clue but if it has anything to do with testosterone or blood sugar its going to be hard to get a patent cause neither of those are new or novel and is beyond obvious which is what is required to get a patent. Also there was prior art because of the studies and as far as I know Thermolife didnt pay for those studies so it isnt their art or data.
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11-02-2009, 07:45 PM #15
Im in India currently and met with a couple of manufacturers who make genuine Tribulus Alatus. I asked them whether anyone can buy it due to the Thermo patent issue. They said its been around for hundreds of years and the Indian government would never recognize such a patent... WTF gives ?
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11-02-2009, 07:53 PM #16
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11-03-2009, 07:34 AM #17
Question that I thought up yesterday.
If this is a novel compound, then according to my understanding of DSHEA, you have to have approval from the FDA to bring it to market. ThermoLife's claim is exactly this, and is why they have a supposed patent on TA so that no one else can use it without permission.
If it is not a novel compound, and has been studied or used before DSHEA, then it is grand-fathered in, and does not need FDA approval. However, if this is the case, then ThermoLife cannot have an exclusive patent to use TA, unless it is part of a proprietary blend.
Now, if that is the case, ThermoLife has to have both or none. So which is it?"To close one's eyes will not ease another's pain" - Chinese Proverb
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11-03-2009, 10:16 AM #18
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Its a botanical which makes it DSHEA complaint and could be considered to be safe because it has been used for hundreds of years without serious side effects.
People are getting confused on the differences between PPAs (patent pending application) and having an actual patent. Thermolife can not stop anyone from using Tribulus Alatus (TA), they do not have a patent currently. If they have a patent app filed which will eventually be posted and up for review they can notify any companies using TA that they have filed a PPA. In 4-5+ years should TL get the patent for TA (which is a plant they did not discover, which has previous data in the public domain which they did not sponsor and is used currently for a obvious use regarding the scientific data) then they can go back to all the companies they notified and either work out compensation or go to court to fight for it.
Since the use of TA for testosterone enhancement, aphrodisiac or blood sugar control are all obvious and non-novel applications it is unlikely that TL (or anyone else for that matter) would get a patent issued. Which means that basically anyone can use TA for the above uses without worry. It doesnt mean that TL still cant try to sue you for its use and you will have to pay to fight it but it would be unlikely that they would win.
Now if they found a unique constituent that did something that the researchers did not discover during their studies and is not an obvious use (lets say constituent Z regrows hair) then TL can file a patent for that use only. It doesnt prevent anyone else for using it for the other known uses, it just prevents anyone from using it to regrow hair.
This is what happens with forskolin. Sabinsa has a patent for the use of increases lean muscle (IIRC), so you can purchase Forslean (their patented constituent) from them and use it for that use. Or you can buy Coleus Forskohlii which contains forskolin but you cannot make the claim for increasing lean muscle if that is what Sabinsa has covered.Matt Cahill
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11-29-2010, 06:56 AM #19
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