Controlled labs vs gaspari

[chicharrra]

ok so Im through with MuscleTech! This is mainly because of the fact that it costs way to much. I am looking at two other brands: Controlled labs and Gaspari. Now I have heard a lot of good things about both, but cant make up my mind on which way to got. I am going to be purchasing a complete stack of supplements. any help i can get would be great, save me time and money.

[Dracoy]

You can't go wrong with either. Basically which ever you pick will work well IF your diet/workout plan is right.

Here is some CL price information.

http://yanyanxu.com/misc/pb.htm

[newequation]

You can't go wrong with either. Basically which ever you pick will work well IF your diet/workout plan is right.

Here is some CL price information.

http://yanyanxu.com/misc/pb.htm

That is some impressive calculating.

[pitapos]

from a CL perspective.... White Flood, Green Magnitude and Purple Wrath is a good combo to purchase (check out the combo option towards the bottom of the CL page http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/clabs/clabs.htm it will save you a few bucks over purchasing items individually)

don't forget to include an overall 10% off code (see my sig) regardless of what you order...

[vtwizzie]

You can't go wrong with either. Basically which ever you pick will work well IF your diet/workout plan is right.

Here is some CL price information.

http://yanyanxu.com/misc/pb.htm

nice price chart

[jwest529]

ive used both, had similar results...like both, CL is a little cheaper and lasts longer

[Dracoy]

Thanks everyone. Here is another one that is less vague but with some personal suggestions.

http://yanyanxu.com/misc/clprice.htm

[Team Punishment]

Heres a link to my CL log Im about to wrap up if youre interested

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...#post184923981

[deserusan]

Actual research, clinical trials, sponsoring most major bodybuilding shows, sponsoring about a third of all NPC shows, and being an industry leader in innovation as opposed to just copying formulas costs big money. I'd hope you'd be more impressed with that on top of unbeatable products.

Let me know if you have any questions or need proof of our claims.

[MBSowards]

Why choose? You will use more than one bottle of a product in your life so try both and see which works better for you.

[SplashN96]

Both great companies, I know from experience CL reps will answer ANY of your questions about their products within minutes!!! Drinking white flood now

[Team Punishment]

Both great companies, I know from experience CL reps will answer ANY of your questions about their products within minutes!!! Drinking white flood now

T-Minus 15 mins until take off lol

[SplashN96]

T-Minus 15 mins until take off lol

seriously though, I can't even finish drinking it before I get a kick in the ass! (no hijack)

[Dracoy]

Both great companies, I know from experience CL reps will answer ANY of your questions about their products within minutes!!! Drinking white flood now

nice !!!!!

[Berserk77]

You can't go wrong with either. Basically which ever you pick will work well IF your diet/workout plan is right.

Here is some CL price information.

http://yanyanxu.com/misc/pb.htm

That's an interesting and helpful chart, got any other brand's charts?

[MBSowards]

That's an interesting and helpful chart, got any other brand's charts?

Dracoy's a CL rep so I doubt he makes charts for others...

[Dracoy]

Dracoy's a CL rep so I doubt he makes charts for others...

Yea sorry I only have it for CL. I made it to help emphasize the cost effectiveness of our stacks.

[Officer_Iron]

Heard great things about Gaspari but I've only tried a few of their products. I have had great results with CL WF/GM/PW. I would highly recommend it.


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[deserusan]

Hey Dracoy,

About how much do you think you guys spend on clinical trials, giving back to the bodybuilding by sponsoring shows, having booths at expos, or sponsoring research organizations?

[MattyH7688]

Hey Dracoy,

About how much do you think you guys spend on clinical trials, giving back to the bodybuilding by sponsoring shows, having booths at expos, or sponsoring research organizations?

bout three fitty

[steeldragons]

grabbin some popcorn and pullin up a chair

[MattyH7688]

grabbin some popcorn and pullin up a chair

are you standing at your computer or something

[Illadelphia]

Hey Dracoy,

About how much do you think you guys spend on clinical trials, giving back to the bodybuilding by sponsoring shows, having booths at expos, or sponsoring research organizations?

bout three fitty

IN for *discussion*

IMO:

Each company has their own diff products:

Gaspari:
Nolvedex is better than Blue-up
cytolean is better than red-acid
size-on is better than GM


CL:
WF is better than SP250
OT is a plus
GFH is a plus
PW is a plus
^^Those above do not have a rival product made by Gaspari...

Both companies have great reps...

Both have fanboys...(one moreso)

[deserusan]

grabbin some popcorn and pullin up a chair

I think it's a fair question since they are marketing their products as cost effective. Here are factors a lot of people aren't considering on the forum.

1. Pre-release alpha testing in a clinical setting (not forum feedback)

2. Stability testing to make sure nothing degrades into toxic compounds when mixed. Also to ensure shelf stability to see how powder, pills, etc respond to environmental factors such as humidity, heat, etc to avoid things like clumping. Have you ever bought a Gaspari product and it was a rock?

3. Research. This one varies greatly but I can for attest to this as someone who just spent the better half of a year putting endless hours in the library to get point number 1 above and it isn't cheap.

4. Patenting proprietary information. Hiring legal counsel and having your researchers apply information to your concept to protect it as intellectual property. Elements of SizeON, Superpump250, Novedex XT. Cytolean, and the next four product releases are covered under this.

5. Final product clinical research. What are you basing performance claims on? Is it actually your product and pulling stats and figures from single ingredient studies often not in a human performance setting. Is it based on anything in at all?

Each of the factors I listed above cost a hefty five figure sum and some of them are a nice six figure number. Again this is per product and I'd much rather place my faith in a company I know has such a hefty prerelease protocol to ensure I'm getting a safe and effective product. It's a lot easier though just to cherry pick ingredients and skip all the steps isn't it?

Again, these are just a few factors which raise the cost of a supplement and I doubt 99% of the companies out there are doing this. This is not even factoring marketing, sponsoring shows (IFBB, NPC, OCB, WNBF, FAME) , sampling, sponsoring athletes, sponsoring research organizations, team sponsorship, etc.

I'd like to make a pretty chart to put up everytime a Gaspari vs. whoever thread comes up but to be honest maybe I'll just quote this very post instead. Until someone can actually PROVE they do anything I mentioned above I'd reconsider that approach.

[MattyH7688]

I think it's a fair question since they are marketing their products as cost effective. Here are factors a lot of people aren't considering on the forum.

1. Pre-release alpha testing in a clinical setting (not forum feedback)

2. Stability testing to make sure nothing degrades into toxic compounds when mixed. Also to ensure shelf stability to see how powder, pills, etc respond to environmental factors such as humidity, heat, etc to avoid things like clumping. Have you ever bought a Gaspari product and it was a rock?

3. Research. This one varies greatly but I can for us as someone who just spent the better half of a year putting endless hours in the library to get point number 1 above it isn't cheap.

4. Patenting proprietary information. Hiring legal counsel and having your researchers apply information to your concept to protect it as intellectual property. Elements of SizeON, Superpump250, Novedex XT. Cytolean, and the next four product releases are covered under this.

5. Final product clinical research. What are you basing performance claims on? Is it actually your product and pulling stats and figures from single ingredient studies often not in a human performance setting.

Each of the factors I listed above cost a hefty five figure sum and some of them are a nice six figure number. Again this is per product and I'd much rather place my faith in a company I know has such a hefty prerelease protocol to ensure I'm getting a safe and effective product. It's a lot easier though just to cherry pick ingredients and skip all the steps isn't it?

Again, these are just a few factors which raise the cost of a supplement and I doubt 99% of the companies out there are doing this. This is not even factoring marketing, sponsoring shows (IFBB, NPC, OCB, WNBF, FAME) , sampling, sponsoring athletes, sponsoring research organizations, team sponsorship, etc.

at my bodybuilding show, gaspari had a booth and hooked the bodybuilders up huge with samples

[Illadelphia]

Des, is gaspari lookin into the pwo market? Or even the athlete based multi?

[James Klein]

Hey Dracoy,

About how much do you think you guys spend on clinical trials, giving back to the bodybuilding by sponsoring shows, having booths at expos, or sponsoring research organizations?

bout three fitty

Wrong

Last year they spent $1.29

[CaptMcClain]

IN for *discussion*

IMO:

Each company has their own diff products:

Gaspari:
Nolvedex is better than Blue-up
cytolean is better than red-acid
size-on is better than GM


CL:
WF is better than SP250
OT is a plus
GFH is a plus
PW is a plus
^^Those above do not have a rival product made by Gaspari...

Both companies have great reps...

Both have fanboys...(one moreso)

lolz

[James Klein]

It's a lot easier though just to cherry pick ingredients and skip all the steps isn't it?

You just described 90% (or more) of the companies in this industry that are nothing more than bottom feeders, knocking off the products released by the few companies that actually innovate.

[steeldragons]

Originally Posted by deserusan
1. Pre-release alpha testing in a clinical setting (not forum feedback)

forum feedback from testers who got a product for free is a 90% guarantee that you will get positive feedback for your generosity, now make them spend there hard earned money and you will see non biased feedback, in my opinion.

And then to be directed to this feedback for noobs asking questions is a little ridiculous.
They should say, here is some feedback from people who got the product for FREE:
-great product, tastes great, less filling
-excellent customer service
-very cost effective
-great to deal with
-would buy from again
-best product on the market, for the price
-etc, etc, barf, puke...

I personally use products from both CL and Gaspari and they have some excellent products for my needs.