Anyone else look more attractive after they FAPpED

[jantelo]

Lmfao at thesr haters. No fap caught on because it makes you feel like fukin god. Thanks for reminding me how amazing it is - im gonna start up again.

Also lmfao at these idiots relying to studies on a recent phenomenon. The internet has only been around for like 2 decades - nobody fukin knows how it affects you long term. Use common sense ffs

[Ic4rus]

It's interesting that every woman that posts in No Fap related threads is always against it. Pretty blatant trolling to mess with peoples minds and guys on here are falling for it.

It's common sense that fapping is not natural, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

[350blaze]

We disagree that sex is masturbation. Even I notice the difference when doing one or the other. Also I don't fantasize quite that much during sex. Mostly because I'm focused on what the girl I'm with looks and sounds like. Sure I think of a different position or something to try but I'm not contemplating another woman while doing so.

The sensory overload is different. While obviously the more real a thing is the more impact it will have on your senses porn overloads in different ways. With Porn your woman is always perfect. Search long enough and you will find a girl who physically looks exactly the way you want. Porn gives you massive variety. If you are in a relationship or just casual dating you might have sex with one woman or maybe a few. With porn you have access to millions. Porn gives you exactly what you want sexually. Real sex can be awkward. It can be messy. Some people don't bend that way. There can be mechanical issues. You could have forgot to close the door and the dog runs in and jumps on the bed. Porn is perfect. Even if it isn't for you you can make it perfect. Fast forward here, skip to this video there and bam never a bad or dull moment. That is how sensory overload happens in porn.

You are right we probably aren't going to see eye to eye on this but I want to elaborate on a couple of points anyway.

RE; the two bolded sections:

1. Maybe there is confusion because of the term fantasy. What is meant by fantasy is the mental component. If you are having sex and simply revelling in the woman you are having sex with, that is what you are fantasising about, as it were. That is the mental component of your stimulation during sex. Hormones are coursing through your veins, clouding your ability for reflexive thought and the circumstances surrounding the sex act are probably contributing more to the unconscious content of your fantasy than you are aware during the act.

If you experience a sudden disconnect during sex where you find yourself suddenly thinking reflexively again/thrown back to reality (e.g. mechanical issue, dog running in and jumping on the bed), it is jarring and you get a sense of wtf are we even doing, just gyrating here like a pair of idiots. This is what happens when the mental aspect, your fantasy, is interrupted during sex. It plays an essential role which means that even if you are only concentrating on the sensory stimulation your partner provides with very little if any reflexivity, this still constitutes fantasy.


2. Point one ties into point two which is that fantasy covers up the cracks that emerge to disclose the gulf between you and the other. That is to say, the function of fantasy during real sex is also to achieve perfection, to use your terms. Because the sensory stimulation of sex is much greater than that of porn, this aspect (the sensory) does not come into play, there is no need for skipping and searching because every touch, every smell, every taste, every moan, every look is felt immediately and viscerally, it overwhelms the senses - there is no need to search any further. The relative amount of physical and seemingly mental synergy/unification between partners is what creates the illusion that the mental component of sex is not distinctly different and separate for each partner.

In reality there is a gulf between you and your partner's experience of sex, despite that fact that sex is probably the closest humans can get to 'communing as one' (no hippy). All of this is enabled by your fantasy, without fantasy it is just bumping uglies. So if a person must resort to porn for arousal, it makes sense that much searching and skipping through videos has to be done to secure the right level of stimulation. Porn is very basic and it is thus harder to achieve the right amount of arousal using this limited means of stimulation. What you are defining as a different type of sensory overload is actually a compensation tactic for a lack of sensory stimulus. Again there is no scientific evidence of this sensory overload/brain rewiring theory that the NO FAP movement espouses, it is pseudoscience.

[WhirlwindTobias]

It's common sense that fapping is not natural, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

Please elaborate on this point, if you don't want us to look like idiots ourselves.

I'm on 500 days plus and even I cringe when I read things like this.

[Kalaacii]

Fapping is a waste of time and hurts the wrists

[NateDG72]

You are right we probably aren't going to see eye to eye on this but I want to elaborate on a couple of points anyway.

RE; the two bolded sections:

1. Maybe there is confusion because of the term fantasy. What is meant by fantasy is the mental component. If you are having sex and simply revelling in the woman you are having sex with, that is what you are fantasising about, as it were. That is the mental component of your stimulation during sex. Hormones are coursing through your veins, clouding your ability for reflexive thought and the circumstances surrounding the sex act are probably contributing more to the unconscious content of your fantasy than you are aware during the act.

If you experience a sudden disconnect during sex where you find yourself suddenly thinking reflexively again/thrown back to reality (e.g. mechanical issue, dog running in and jumping on the bed), it is jarring and you get a sense of wtf are we even doing, just gyrating here like a pair of idiots. This is what happens when the mental aspect, your fantasy, is interrupted during sex. It plays an essential role which means that even if you are only concentrating on the sensory stimulation your partner provides with very little if any reflexivity, this still constitutes fantasy.


2. Point one ties into point two which is that fantasy covers up the cracks that emerge to disclose the gulf between you and the other. That is to say, the function of fantasy during real sex is also to achieve perfection, to use your terms. Because the sensory stimulation of sex is much greater than that of porn, this aspect (the sensory) does not come into play, there is no need for skipping and searching because every touch, every smell, every taste, every moan, every look is felt immediately and viscerally, it overwhelms the senses - there is no need to search any further. The relative amount of physical and seemingly mental synergy/unification between partners is what creates the illusion that the mental component of sex is not distinctly different and separate for each partner.

In reality there is a gulf between you and your partner's experience of sex, despite that fact that sex is probably the closest humans can get to 'communing as one' (no hippy). All of this is enabled by your fantasy, without fantasy it is just bumping uglies. So if a person must resort to porn for arousal, it makes sense that much searching and skipping through videos has to be done to secure the right level of stimulation. Porn is very basic and it is thus harder to achieve the right amount of arousal using this limited means of stimulation. What you are defining as a different type of sensory overload is actually a compensation tactic for a lack of sensory stimulus. Again there is no scientific evidence of this sensory overload/brain rewiring theory that the NO FAP movement espouses, it is pseudoscience.

And again one visual partner. Porn gives you millions. Limited amount of things you can to do with another person. Porn gives you everything. Limited physical attractiveness depending on how good of a woman you can pull porn gives you 11/10's whenever you want. You can try and use your imagination during fap or actual sex to imitate this but it does not compare to actually seeing and hearing it whatsoever. Same as imagining a movie is not the same as watching one.

[Ic4rus]

Please elaborate on this point, if you don't want us to look like idiots ourselves.

I'm on 500 days plus and even I cringe when I read things like this.

I don't speak for anyone but myself.




















































































































But hey, you already look like an idiot.

[350blaze]

It's common sense that fapping is not natural, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot.

WhirlwindTobias is right though brah... how do you explain chimps fapping? Are they not part of the order of nature?

[Ic4rus]

WhirlwindTobias is right though brah... how do you explain chimps fapping? Are they not part of the order of nature?

Insert "for humans", to clarify.

[rjones416]

a good fap helps clear the mind. almost slammed a whale last night but had a fap and came back to my senses.

[350blaze]

And again one visual partner. Porn gives you millions. Limited amount of things you can to do with another person. Porn gives you everything. Limited physical attractiveness depending on how good of a woman you can pull porn gives you 11/10's whenever you want. You can try and use your imagination during fap or actual sex to imitate this but it does not compare to actually seeing and hearing it whatsoever. Same as imagining a movie is not the same as watching one.

Even though it is said that men are primarily visual in terms of what they find attractive, I think that the additional stimuli involved in sex with a partner qualitatively change it that much more than the most perfect purely visual/auditory display that it always trumps porn. I say always because I am assuming that any real life sexual partners will both be attracted to each other. To introduce hypothetical scenarios/comparisons such as sex with a 2/10 vs. an 11/10 porn scene isn't a valid point - the assumption of sex with a real life partner is that you will find them attractive enough to become fully aroused based on all the various stimuli they can provide you with.

It isn't a choice between a 2/10 woman IRL and a virtual 11/10 woman. If that truly is the only choice given to a man then he is simply unlucky genetically, he has other problems and going on NO FAP will never net him a woman above a 2/10 if that is all he could land when he was busy fapping. People will always be attracted to the best human specimens, that not everyone can get what they want is something else entirely. Someone overrating themselves on the dating market is not caused by porn, that is akin to arguing that rock music causes juvenile delinquency.

[AlexisRay]

Im not addicted to it, so I guess im ok.

[Beerculez]

Excessive fapping to porn made me unable to cum with real girls, srs. Fixed it by not fapping for a month and then cutting down on the porn.
I wasn't really watching extreme porn either, but doing it daily with a strong grip and fast motions can give you some problems if you aren't having sex on the regular. You won't get as much visual stimulation during normal sex and you can't go as fast or hard as you can when fapping.

No porn is pretty legit imo, depends on how much you watch it. But say you wack off daily to 9/10 sloots with surgically enhanced bodies and profesionally done makeup who will do anything, well your average flat chested 6/10 chick is going to seem pretty meh in comparison and not turn you on as much as she would if you weren't used to watching porn all the time. At least that's how it was for me.

I think fapping is totally fine as long as you don't do it too much and limit the porn use.

[whya]

Yeah well done genius OP you ****ing imbecile.

[jamessmith123]

high test crew checking in.
if i don't fap for more than two or three days, i wake up with a bucket of jizz all over my thighs.
brb fapped twice on friday night
brb saturday morning, had wet dream while asleep on bus ride home from college but woke myself up right before dat dere

brb legit scared something's wrong with my penor. maybe a screw's loose on some pipeline between the balls and the penis?
my balls have to empty themselves every 24-72 hours

Nothing wrong with you, you just happen to have unusually high testosterone levels, nothing wrong with that, your sex drive will always be high, the only downside is you may eventually go bald. If you have any concerns just please consult your doctor

[PrimeMover7]

I've been on nofap for over 6 months. Before that I used porn for over 20 years. My brain used to burn for porn, I'd waste blocks of time looking at porn and my mind was hijacked with images and urges and would zap me of all my energy when I'd PMO (porn, masturbation, orgasm) leaving me with little motivation to do anything else, or to better myself. I decided I needed to change. It was tough abstaining at first but it's definitely worth it in the long run. I do still get urges now and again but not as bad as before.

[Deltoids1]

Try fapping once or twice a week only, its the perfect ratio.

[konsense]

Been on no fap for a month now and wtf i barely get any chubbies anymore. only reason i keep doing it is because i have no urge to fap/always in a good mood, also may be helping out with my skin

[Omnivium]

Gonna go ahead and bump this since you put so much time into it and only got 4 responses lol. Anyone else have any long term effects from nofap?

[catano93]

u think im gna read dat chit?

[MYNAMEISOBI]

heybrocalmdownfappingisnthatbigofadealjusteverythi nginmoderationjustlikeeverythingelseinlife

[Alaska439]

I'll give this a try op. Thanks going into such depth

[Trillical]

Someone posted this on reddit.

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/commen...er_motivation/

Amazing dude you saved me from breaking my 1 week fap. Thank you.

[BenLancer89]

I'm pumped and ready to start no fap/

First post will be about my story, second will be about general info about no fap. Will happily answer questions.

My story and placebo experiment

You can skip this if you want but I wanted to include it in just in case you're thinking why I'm trying so hard to tell you how bad it is. Second part of this section will be about an experience I did on a friend that imo further proves that this isn't placebo.

Five months ago I was your typical miscer. I'm an intelligent person (imo) but I never applied myself in anything. I bullsht my way through HS with the minimum amount of work required and went to a top uni. First year of uni I failed. This wasn't school anymore, you had to actually work to achieve anything and I had NO motivation at all to do so. It wasn't as if I was partying and socialising either. I was literally doing sht all, just sitting in my room watching movies, browsing the internet and fapping at least once, sometimes twice a day. I had a gym member but could never be bothered to go to, ate junk food because it was too much effort to cook real food, missed all my lectures even though they were a 30 seconds walk away. I couldn't even be bothered to speak to girls because none of them looked good enough to me unless they were 10/10, in which case they wouldn't even look at me. Porn raised my expectations to a ridiculous level. Who looks like Kayden Kross, Jynx Maze or Tori Black irl? Not many girls.

After I failed I got incredibly depressed. In my mind I hated the fact that I didn't try hard enough but my body just couldn't be bothered to put any effort in. I went to a doctor to see if there was anything wrong with my hormone levels but nothing, test was normal and estrogen was low. I just couldn't put a finger on why me, at one time the most active kid who had a strong desire to achieve something in life, was now just happy to sit back and watch life pass him by.

Around this point I legit considered taking my life. It was Christmas time 2011 and I was going to do it after the holidays, so that I wouldn't ruin Christmas for my family for the rest of their lives. In the meantime, I just gave up everything and started miscing a lot (this isn't my account btw. I have 20k posts on other account). One day I stumbled across the No Fap to end all No Fap threads. I read a bit of it and my jaw just dropped open at how ALL of the symptoms in that post matched me to a FUKIN Z. I was shocked because at this point I was fapping twice a day and never even considered that this could be the root of all my problems. I tried changing everything earlier except this and my situation didn't change, so this could be the only thing, right? But I didn't believe it. I was sure that I was fuked in the head and everyone experiencing those changes were just having a placebo effect. Part of the reason for that was because so many miscers were posting saying how it doesn't work.

Anyway, I reluctantly went on no fap to see if anything changes. First day of no fap, I failed. Second try, I managed about 3 days then failed because of a hnnnng thread on the misct. Third try, managed a week then failed. Fourth try, failed after 2 days.

At this point I re-read that thread and saw the addiction part and saying how bad it can be. I couldn't believe how hard it was to stop and I finally admitted to myself that I was addicted. I was still skeptical about those changes that people experienced but decided to fuk it and went to extreme measures to cut down all exposure to porn or anything that might trigger me to fap (more on this later). A week went by and I didn't feel any different. Two weeks went by and still nothing. At this point I was about to give up because people were commenting how they noticed a difference as soon as 3 days but some people on the misc persuaded me to continue for a bit longer.

During the third week is when I started to see something. Midway through the week I noticed that as I was effortlessly talking to people without giving it much though. I was having random chats with everyone about stuff that I wouldn't know what to say about before. In the supermarket, I was talking to the cashiers, people around me if the opportunity came, without any hesitation or uncomfort. During the fourth week I woke up one day feeling extremely confident. I felt like I was worth something, if you know what I mean. I thought about how good my life was (note that 4 weeks earlier I wanted to kill myself) and all of my good qualities, and around this point I thought about all the insecurities I used to have and how I was dramatizing them 10x while no one around me gave a sht. Two months in these effects kept on increasing but I then started getting random boners. Girls looked really nice, I loved having intellectual conversations about anything with anyone. Then one day I woke up feeling like a completely different person. All this confidence, everything, it felt like I was on the next level of it. I thought about how I wouldn't want to be anyone else in the world right now. My future was looking bright (i.e. instead of thinking I failed first year of uni, I thought about how this was an important lesson that I learned early) and I was just putting a positive spin on everything in life. My voice got deeper, people were respecting me more, I didn't take sht from anyone (response came naturally), I got funnier, had the ability to talk confidently.

5 months in and when I think back to how I was I want to slap myself for being that pathetic. That's how much my life changed. Near the end of the fourth month I had a chance to fuk a 8/10 sloot and came within 5 minutes of doing it but then I had an epiphany. I didn't want to fuk a random bish that dozens of men have jizzed in. I didn't give a sht about 5 seconds of pleasure a day from fapping. All that sexual energy I had in me was being put into my life in a positive way. I was more productive in school, more aggressive in the gym, sharper in life generally. This is when I decided that I wouldn't have sex again until marriage but if your goal is to fuk women, trust me they start to notice you a lot more.

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Ok so I'm getting kind of tired of writing so I'm gonna try and finish this quickly.

About 3 weeks ago my brah had a fire at his house and had to come live with me while insurance took care of it. I've known this guy since we were 5 and we've been through a lot of sht together. Not tryna sound like a bish but he's one of the few people I trust and tell everything and he does too. I knew he was a regular fapper because we openly used to talk about pornstars and the best porn sites, etc.

When he came to live with me by chance my internet ran out and as I was about to renew it I had an idea. I knew he fapped and I wanted to prove to myself that what I was experiencing wasn't a placebo effect. So I didn't renew the internet and told him that they took the service out from our area so he couldn't fap. He had nowhere else to go during the day as we went gym together, hung out with other friends together, and then came home together so I knew he wasn't fapping.

This guy is very, very shy. He has literally no confidence even though he has a better physique than me and good facial aesthetics too. For the next 3 weeks I saw this guy transform from a little pussy who couldn't stand up for himself whenever anyone made a joke about him to a guy who knew he was the sht. He literally transformed in front of me. Before everytime you spoke to him it felt a bit awkward because he wouldn't know how to take the conversation forward. Everytime I called him to tell him to come out he'd say he was too busy, when all he was doing was sitting home home watching tv.

He started becoming so much more social. Idk if this is even possible but he went from being someone who acted like he had no knowledge of anything to holding intelligent conversations with everyone.

This proved to me that this isn't a placebo effect and this is partly the reason I spent so much time writing this thread.

[kirkosaur]

cliffs? lol

[invrlose123]

wtf cliffs *******. interested, but damn who would read all that

I read all of it.

Seriously gonna try no fap

[jamessmith123]

fap at least twice a day crew checking in

[miishkka]

No porn is pretty legit imo, depends on how much you watch it. But say you wack off daily to 9/10 sloots with surgically enhanced bodies and profesionally done makeup who will do anything, well your average flat chested 6/10 chick is going to seem pretty meh in comparison and not turn you on as much as she would if you weren't used to watching porn all the time. At least that's how it was for me.

i agree with ur saying, but belive me they will

[CorytheKiD]

ive been a week w/o fapping so far and i feel great.

[Malfurion]

Can confirm from personal experience that it's not bullsh*t and most of the supposed benefits are real